BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 My requirements: Get rid of the visor on his helmet....Johnny Football had one and look where it got him. Throw the ball to Robert Woods more...he's a stud. Shave the mustache...I can't think of one Hall of Fame QB that had a mustache (and Tyrod's is kind of thin anyway. If you're gonna grow one, make it a full Ryan O"Reilly beard) Shoot for 16 straight weeks of being the Ben Russ Best Dressed
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) Yes it does and camp is about to open so that is why I posted it. What do people need to see as improvement in how he plays as an individual. I think the ones I want to see are very easy to see with ones own eye, without access to playcall and read sheet. Also something easy to point to No matter what offense these things are needed in your QB. I didn't put accuracy (because he did struggle with that last year, but was decent his 1st year). I guess I could add it as well but more in terms of Proper Ball Placement Sure it's a good conversation topic.... just think what the offense needs from him is integral to the evaluation. The biggest unknown for me is his short game. Can he read pre snap, take a three step drop from center and hit a quick slant over the middle. If I'm remembering right that's text book WCO and I never saw much of that from him. Was that a weakness or was that a scheme eventuality? My requirements: Get rid of the visor on his helmet....Johnny Football had one and look where it got him. Throw the ball to Robert Woods more...he's a stud. Shave the mustache...I can't think of one Hall of Fame QB that had a mustache (and Tyrod's is kind of thin anyway. If you're gonna grow one, make it a full Ryan O"Reilly beard) Shoot for 16 straight weeks of being the Ben Russ Best Dressed http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Aaron-Rodgers.jpg Edited July 25, 2017 by Over 28 years of fanhood
Cherrybone Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 We needed another Tyrod thread. You do know you're not obligated to respond to it?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 For me, if he is going to remain there are a few things that I need to see. Gross stats mean nothing at all to me. I care about 3rd down efficiency, RZ efficiency, TD to Int and a high yards per attempt. If those things happen the offense's will be rolling. ...onus is on Dennison to design an offense that fits him....he is the right guy and I'm thinking this is TT's "make it or break it" year...........
reddogblitz Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 He HAS to play better in crunch time. Too many times we get the football back down less than 8 and he flubs it up or at least doesn't get it done. Seattle, Miami, Eagles, Washington all come to mind quickly. If he could do better and win us half those kinds of game, we're in and the drought is over and we name a street after McDermott and build a Hotrod statue in the parking lot. I'm fine with everything else. He's GOTTA do better at this if he wants to stay.
Rocky Landing Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I would like to see him consistently step forward in the pocket. He rarely does this, but it seemed to me that he did it more last season than he did the season before. And, the only plays where he effectively threw up the middle were the plays in which he did. I personal don't think he will take the next big step until he gets better at maintaining the pocket. If and when he does, our O-line immediately improves, and the rest of our offense with it.
yungmack Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I for one am delighted that someone has finally raised the issues of TT's shortcomings. How have we managed to overlook them this long is beyond me.
transplantbillsfan Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) For me, if he is going to remain there are a few things that I need to see. Gross stats mean nothing at all to me. I care about 3rd down efficiency, RZ efficiency, TD to Int and a high yards per attempt. If those things happen the offense's will be rolling.Sooo... how good do these things need to be for you? You realize Taylor is already 14th in 3rd down % and 6th in RZ Passer Rating, right? I think though with a weak QB UFA Class and a Weak QB draft the Bills where smart to essentially reboot the contract. Notice they didn't commit long term to him though either right I think the fact that people are so dismissive of the 2017 QB draft class is kind of funny. Weren't three QBs drafted in the first round? Didn't all three QBs have their respective teams trade up to draft them? The bills had an opportunity to draft two of those three quarterbacks. They didn't. I understand that no one wants to see that as any kind of faith and Taylor because of the draft picks they acquired for next year. But if anything, it was a team demonstrating both faith in Taylor while also hedging their bets and understanding that the NFL is a win now league and Taylor isn't proven enough to hold onto after this year if he fails. That doesn't mean anything other than the fact that all QBs fail at some point in their career mainly and largely if you're thinking about team success. Philip Rivers has been for years. Drew Brees. Andrew luck. Joe Flacco. Cam Newton. But all of those guys are proven to varying degrees. Taylor hasn't built up the cache to be even just average this year and stick around. He's going to likely need a top 10-12 year to stick around. Just watch next year turn into the same "week QB class" we had this year. Too funny Edited July 26, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
Kirby Jackson Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Sooo... how good do these things need to be for you? You realize Taylor is already 14th in 3rd down % and 6th in RZ Passer Rating, right? I don't know where they need to be. I'm of the belief that he has a chance to be the guy. Those are the things that matter to me because those ultimately determine a good offense or a bad offense. I can't judge him based on anything else. His job is to run the offense. 200 passing yards, 300 passing yards, 500 passing yards don't matter at all. Does he keep the chains moving? Do they score when they are in position to? Do they make a lot more plays than mistakes? Are the efficient when they throw? Do they pick up chunks of yardage? If the answer is yes to those the offense will be really good. If he is running a really good offense why would they change? Edited July 26, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
fansince88 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Be decisive Be clutch Be accurate over the middle Exactly!
SoCal Deek Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 So if he put up a drew brees stat-line (5000 yards and 37 TDs) and our defense tanked, you'd say get rid of him? . Oh come on! While he didn't put up Bree's like numbers, he DID have a good year last year and the defense DID tank! And yes people want to get rid of him. What's been lacking? WINNING!
John from Riverside Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I don't know where they need to be. I'm of the belief that he has a chance to be the guy. Those are the things that matter to me because those ultimately determine a good offense or a bad offense. I can't judge him based on anything else. His job is to run the offense. 200 passing yards, 300 passing yards, 500 passing yards don't matter at all. Does he keep the chains moving? Do they score when they are in position to? Do they make a lot more plays than mistakes. Are the efficient when they throw? Do they pick up chunks of yardage when they throw? If the answer is yes to those the offense will be really good. If he is running a really good offense why would they change? I think the way that the contract played out....the aquiring of 1 first round picks.....drafting a qb after taking one in 4th last year...etc etc The writing is on the wall....Tyrod needs to be much better then he was last year....now some of that is not his fault....guys like Clay need to play up to their potential....Sammy needs to show why we used 2 first rounders on him.....etc etc....the defense needs to not give up points like we are top 10 in scoring (even though we were) but...he needs to do some things at the RIGHT moments....or I think he is going to be competing with a first round qb pick the following off season
Kirby Jackson Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I think the way that the contract played out....the aquiring of 1 first round picks.....drafting a qb after taking one in 4th last year...etc etc The writing is on the wall....Tyrod needs to be much better then he was last year....now some of that is not his fault....guys like Clay need to play up to their potential....Sammy needs to show why we used 2 first rounders on him.....etc etc....the defense needs to not give up points like we are top 10 in scoring (even though we were) but...he needs to do some things at the RIGHT moments....or I think he is going to be competing with a first round qb pick the following off season I think that it will be an either or. Either they will determine that he is the guy moving forward or they draft a guy and part ways with TT. I'd be surprised if TT and a 1st round rookie were both on the team in 2018. The opener will be Tyrod's 30th start. By the end of the year they are going to have a decision on him. There is no reason to pay him as a stop gap.
fansince88 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) The biggest issue at the end of the day is this symbol in the standings: W/L Improve the D and W/L gets real exciting Edited July 26, 2017 by fansince88
Augie Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 You do know you're not obligated to respond to it? That's a fair point, but there should be some kind of limit. It gets totally out of hand at times with TT threads. That said, I want better anticipation and seeing the whole field, including the middle.
Virgil Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Couldn't even make it to to our first preseason game for this to start.
Rocky Landing Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 That's a fair point, but there should be some kind of limit. It gets totally out of hand at times with TT threads. That said, I want better anticipation and seeing the whole field, including the middle. Although, to be fair, most TT threads do not, in fact, start out as TT threads.
Thurman#1 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 The obvious things, I think. I'd like to see him throwing before guys are open, with anticipation. Stay in the pocket until it actually starts to break down. Go through more options faster in his progressions. And see things better in the deep and intermediate middle of the field. The quantitative stats won't mean much. The qualitative stats will. Nearly always when the film is showing a guy throwing well, the qualitative stats reflect that and look good. Plus one more thing. I'd like to see him not tail off at the end of the year. This is a new offense and will likely start fairly strong since teams won't have film on these guys in this offense. As they get film and figure out what's going on, they'll start to attack more intelligently. Good offenses / coaches / players adapt when that happens. Limited ones can't. This happened in Tyrod's 2015. His passer rating for the first six games was, if I remember correctly, around 20 points higher than it was in the last eight games when it dipped to pretty much the level he maintained this year. The same happened with YPA. Completion percentage too. He looked terrific those first six games and much more human thereafter. How he is performing at the end of the year will mean more to me than how he performs at the beginning. A smallish dip would mean little or nothing. A significant one would tend to point towards a failure to adapt. The biggest issue at the end of the day is this symbol in the standings: W/LImprove the D and W/L gets real exciting Agreed, it's the biggest issue and the most important stat. But it's a team stat, not a QB stat.
Chandler#81 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 ...onus is on Dennison to design an offense that fits him....he is the right guy and I'm thinking this is TT's "make it or break it" year........... I agree and look forward to this. I just can't see Tyrod excelling in the WCO when the standard was Montana. 1-3 step drops and fire? I haven't seen Tyrod do that once. Sure, Steve Young made the HOF scrambling from the WCO, but he was also deadly on the short throws. I WANT to see Taylor excel in this, but if not, it's a 'Break it' year.
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