PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) Taylor's single biggest flaw as a passer is not being able to make the reads and make decisions quickly. In his 15 weeks last year, he was the worst in the NFL in terms of time between snap and throw in 14 weeks. In the year before, he was the worst in 12 out of 14 weeks. Considering that statistic, he's lucky to have many of the other stats that he does. Notwithstanding everything else, that is a ridiculously high percentage. 26 out of 29 weeks that he played, he held onto the football longer than any other quarterback. I'm a big fan of Taylor, but there's no QB that's going to last long in the NFL when leading in that metric. Plenty of people have said it as well, that he doesn't know how to "throw" receivers open. Has the offense played well enough to make the playoffs? They certainly have, but I would not expect them to go very far where they are. The defense would have to be phenomenal IMO for them to go deep in to the playoffs and we haven't seen that type of defense since Schwartz three years ago. I'm not even sure though that if you combined the offense of last year with the defense of 3 years ago that they would have very far. At the end of the day, it's not a Tyrod Taylor question alone. The offense as a whole was average and the defense as a whole was average. It must improve on both sides of the ball, or they're not going to do anything, even if they make the playoffs. And yet he led an offense that was #7 in scoring going into the Jets finale. So stop looking at stats and start looking at results. Taylor is not a prototype QB but his offense scores points. If not for Wrecks & Rob's awesome defense, we'd have made the playoffs. We wasted last season thanks to those two tubs. Edited July 30, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
Kirby Jackson Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 So Hokie and I have both been challenged on supporting Tyrod. Anyone find that weird?
JM2009 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 And yet he led an offense that was #7 in scoring going into the Jets finale. So stop looking at stats and start looking at results. Taylor is not a prototype QB but his offense scores points. If not for Wrecks & Rob's awesome defense, we'd have made the playoffs. We wasted last season thanks to those two tubs. and he doesn't turn the ball over.
Bangarang Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 So your answer is no, then. You would no longer feel "bleh." Okay, now I'm going to ask you to do something I asked another poster to do because both of you share the same belief that what we've seen is what we've got simply because of age and number of years on an NFL roster. Throughout history, name me 10 QBs who going into year 7 in the NFL: -Rode the bench almost exclusively for the entirety of their rookie contract (4 years) -Given the opportunity to start in year five after earning the starting job -After earning the starting job, plays years 5 & 6 at "NFL starting QB" level That was the criteria I originally set forth. And I set it forward because of the arbitrary "sixth year" as some kind of watermark. My point was simply to establish how unique Taylor's case is. But if you can find me a number of QBs who meet that criteria, maybe you're on the right track, after all. So you set forth a pretty specific set of criteria that probably doesn't apply to anyone but Tyrod? I'd feel better about Tyrod if this was the 1950's era of football but it's not. He's not a rookie or sophomore players. He's a 6 year veteran. You sound ridiculous really.
Crusher Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) Lol at the excuses and just flat out delusional statements I've been subjected to reading. Sophomore slump?!?! Grocery baggers as WR's? A top ten offense that he was less responsible for than nearly every other QB in the league? Hyperbole and delusion is what the CoT is selling, and only a fool would buy such propaganda. Stick to statements closer to reality if you still want to discuss this expired topic some more, even though I suggest other wise. It's just all around ugly for everyone involved at this point. Edited July 30, 2017 by Crusher
BringBackOrton Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) That wasn't a "yes" or a "no." Ever heard of "sophomore slump?" It happens. Plus, 2015 will not be an easy year to match in terms of production and efficiency, anyway. I've heard of a sophomore slump. Not a 7th year super senior slump. 2015 TT was the 20th best passer or so. That being hard to match for him is a bad sign. But I literally said yes. I wouldn't be happy. Edited July 30, 2017 by jmc12290
Maury Ballstein Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 And yet he led an offense that was #7 in scoring going into the Jets finale. So stop looking at stats and start looking at results. Taylor is not a prototype QB but his offense scores points. If not for Wrecks & Rob's awesome defense, we'd have made the playoffs. We wasted last season thanks to those two tubs. Another excuse for the books.
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Another excuse for the books. Those are not excuses....they are facts sir
JM2009 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Those are not excuses....they are facts sir The defense was the main problem in 2016. The three amigos see it as an excuse. Not worth responding to people with hate agendas. let the Mods deal with them. I'm hard on OBD at times, but come game day I am 100 percent behind every player to win. If you root against a player, might as well do something else on Sunday.
Maury Ballstein Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Those are not excuses....they are facts sir They are indeed excuses. Let's just forget the pats game, Pitt game, Oakland game, and Ravens games and Miami 1 game because it's convenient. This thread is if if if if and woulda coulda shoulda at its finest Guess I'll duck out and let the pretenders pretend. Adios CoT. Let's evaluate this again after week 6
Bangarang Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 They are indeed excuses. Let's just forget the pats game, Pitt game, Oakland game, and Ravens games and Miami 1 game because it's convenient. This thread is if if if if and woulda coulda shoulda at its finest Guess I'll duck out and let the pretenders pretend. Adios CoT. Let's evaluate this again after week 6 The only games you're allowed to mention are the Seattle and second Miami games.
Maury Ballstein Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 The only games you're allowed to mention are the Seattle and second Miami games. I know. The Miami game meant way more than the Pitt and Oak ones for some reason.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Lol at the excuses and just flat out delusional statements I've been subjected to reading. Sophomore slump?!?! Grocery baggers as WR's? A top ten offense that he was less responsible for than nearly every other QB in the league? Hyperbole and delusion is what the CoT is selling, and only a fool would buy such propaganda. Stick to statements closer to reality if you still want to discuss this expired topic some more, even though I suggest other wise. It's just all around ugly for everyone involved at this point. How do you define this, exactly? If you look at how many times per game Tyrod's number was called vs the rest of the league he ranked 21 last year. The QBs with at least 200 attempts that had their number called less were: Matt Ryan Brock Osweiler Alex Smith Case Keenum Colin Kaepernick Marcus Mariota Brian Hoyer Ryan Tannehill Jared Goff Dak Prescott Matt Barkley Ryan Fitzpatrick
transplantbillsfan Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 So you set forth a pretty specific set of criteria that probably doesn't apply to anyone but Tyrod? I'd feel better about Tyrod if this was the 1950's era of football but it's not. He's not a rookie or sophomore players. He's a 6 year veteran. You sound ridiculous really. I'm sorry dude but it's not all that specific. TONS of NFL QBs were on the bench throughout almost all of their rookie contracts. It's the next 2 criteria that separates Taylor. I know you aren't seeing it, but you might want to reconsider the notion that Taylor can't improve just because of years of service
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 No, you don't just draft a QB in the first "no matter what." I can't believe anyone actually thinks this is a smart or even reasonable approach You're exaggerating what I'm saying, maybe you should stop hitting your head. The team is going to identify and target at least 1 highly rated QB in the upcoming draft. Depending how things shake out they may take him with either of their 1st rounders or trade up to secure him. If the prospects they have identified are gone, obviously they aren't taking one they don't like just to take one.
Bangarang Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 I'm sorry dude but it's not all that specific. TONS of NFL QBs were on the bench throughout almost all of their rookie contracts. It's the next 2 criteria that separates Taylor. So how many QBs match the criteria you set forth? What was even the point you were trying to make there? I know you aren't seeing it, but you might want to reconsider the notion that Taylor can't improve just because of years of service Is this where we start putting words in each other's mouths because I never said he couldn't improve.
Billsmovinup Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Y The defense was the main problem in 2016. The three amigos see it as an excuse. Not worth responding to people with hate agendas. let the Mods deal with them. I'm hard on OBD at times, but come game day I am 100 percent behind every player to win. If you root against a player, might as well do something else on Sunday. Yea. Let the mods deal with those hateful agenda driven slime. That will teach them. Get em' mods. Get em'.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 So you believe that after 4 years of backup duty, 35 total attempted passes, under 3 different OC's in that same period, a QB has nothing left to learn and the league also knows everything they need to know about him? All I said was that using the sophomore slump as an excuse was a poor one. Could the switch be flipped and he become a prolific passer? Maybe. Could he be as exactly as we have seen thus far? IMO very possibly. Will an improved Defense make him a better QB? Or just another QB that needs a good defense to win games?
BillsFan4 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) It's Ground Hog Day for real in here. I'm waiting for Bill Murray to stroll in and smash the alarm clock playing "I got you babe" any minute now... Seriously, don't you same people get tired of having the same fights with each other in every single Tyrod thread? I mean, really... Edited July 30, 2017 by BillsFan4
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 The only games you're allowed to mention are the Seattle and second Miami games. LOL. Ain't that the truth. Pitt, NE, KC, Oak, naw those teams don't matter one little bit. Defeating the Browns and the Bradyless Pats is something to applaud. It's Ground Hog Day for real in here. I'm waiting for Bill Murray to stroll in and smash the alarm clock playing "I got you babe" any minute now... Seriously, don't you same people get tired of having the same fights with each other in every single Tyrod thread? I mean, really... that's the beauty of the ignore feature. I can ignore mr alternate truth.
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