The Tyrod Taylor Question

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just showing regression. There are many areas in his individual QB play that regressed. And has to fix big time (dont see it) to stay away from an early QB next year

A "regression" that one should expect with more passing attempts.

 

 

 

See guys, I can stick up for Taylor too.

[Scott7975]

Nope his drop rate is seperete and accounted for 2.52%

 

Which was middle of the row. He was charted as having 11 balls dropped.

Then how does your stat work? If Taylor threw 62% completions, 20% uncatchable rounded what is the other 18% of his passes? Simply misses? If they are misses then they are either uncatchable or catchable but not caught. Edited August 24, 2017 by Scott7975

[aristocrat]

How many different ways can we argue about tyrod? Man I can't wait for this season to start

 

 

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[transplantbillsfan]

2016 Bad Pass Percentage

 

Quarterback Bad Pass Percentage measures the percentage of a quartebacks pass attempts that were considered to be poorly thrown (otherwise known as un-catchable) and leads to an incompleted pass.

 

TT 19.95%.

 

Worse than Kap

 

Better thab Wintson but second worse in the league

 

For comparison in 2015 it was 17.63%

 

Link? Who compiled these stats?

 

Proving that things like this are subjective, Cian Fahey says Taylor has the 9th highest accuracy % in 2016. And he also defines accuracy as "catchable."

 

That doesn't mean the stats you've provided are wrong or mine are right. You'd have to watch every single pass like those guys did to come to any conclusion on which one is more accurate. Still, that's interesting.

[grb]

A "regression" that one should expect with more passing attempts.

 

See guys, I can stick up for Taylor too.

 

Yeah. We're all impressed. Two points :

 

(1) We've never seen any trace of a drop-off in Taylor's performance stats with higher passing attempt numbers in games. I can say that with assurance because the subject has come up several times and been examined in detail.

 

(2) I would expect a "regression" from a second year starter dealing with a dumpster-fire of a receiving corps - an accurate description of all of last year. Unless of course you're talking about a one-game preseason "regression"? What are you talking about?

Edited August 24, 2017 by grb

[row_33]

 

Yeah. We're all impressed. Two points :

 

(1) We've never seen any trace of a drop-off in Taylor's performance stats with higher passing attempt numbers in games. I can say that with assurance because the subject has come up several times and been examined in detail.

 

(2) I would expect a "regression" from a second year starter dealing with a dumpster-fire of a receiving corps - an accurate description of all of last year. Unless of course you're talking about a one-game preseason "regression"? What are you talking about?

 

the excuses start piling up to the moon, why not just wait and see how he does

 

how can you insist he is a great QB, wait it out and hopefully he does well...

[3rdand12]

 

 

He knows:

 

@MatthewFairburn

Asked how much of the offense he's keeping under wraps in the preseason, Bills OC Rick Dennison said, "I'm not at liberty to say."

 

awesome I like Dennison already

 

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/

 

wtf is Greek ? ...

I thought EJ was a polarizing player in Buffalo...TT is at a higher level.

raising the roof

How many different ways can we argue about tyrod? Man I can't wait for this season to start Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Let me count the ways...

 

the excuses start piling up to the moon, why not just wait and see how he does

 

how can you insist he is a great QB, wait it out and hopefully he does well...

stay tuned. last years REC corp musta set records for " wingin' it Whaley"

Same Bat time Same Bat channel.

Go Bills!

[transplantbillsfan]

 

the excuses start piling up to the moon, why not just wait and see how he does

 

how can you insist he is a great QB, wait it out and hopefully he does well...

 

Did he ever say Taylor is a great QB?

 

Something seriously gets lost in translation for some people.

 

 

Somehow saying Taylor is "good" or even "pretty good" somehow equates to saying he's "Elite" and it causes idiotic posters to create a stupid cult name in order to make anyone who thinks Taylor's a competent NFL QB look like he actually thinks he's Elite.

 

So dumb.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It's bad enough that this azzhat Paul Churchian said on D.C. Radio to start TT week 1 only then drop him.

 

He went on to say the Bills will be close to the 2nd worst team in the AFC.

Fantasy football related.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

A "regression" that one should expect with more passing attempts.

 

 

 

See guys, I can stick up for Taylor too.

 

....makes sense....."regression " before "progression" makes sense as well......once again, new coaches and new offense.....kid has been through many changes, but I'm still suspect of his ability to scan the entire field in <5 seconds to find guys open.......what is passed is in the past, including stats.....#10 offense achieved 7-9, so where to we have to get to to achieve 10-6 and break the playoff schneid, top 5?.....as they say in Mizzou, this is TT's "show me " year or probably the "make it or break it" one.....so be it...play ball and let's see....

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

....makes sense....."regression " before "progression" makes sense as well......once again, new coaches and new offense.....kid has been through many changes, but I'm still suspect of his ability to scan the entire field in <5 seconds to find guys open.......what is passed is in the past, including stats.....#10 offense achieved 7-9, so where to we have to get to to achieve 10-6 and break the playoff schneid, top 5?.....as they say in Mizzou, this is TT's "show me " year or probably the "make it or break it" one.....so be it...play ball and let's see....

 

 

a better defense may help as well?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

 

a better defense may help as well?

 

....most DEFINITELY bro.......how many times have you heard BB say, "we won all THREE phases of the game"......no way in hell am I solely attributing 7-9 to TT.....how many times has Brady been way off and the defense and/or special teams bailed him out? ...the Wrecks Experiment is probably in my top five all time OBD disasters and there have been some beauties in my 55 years of following the boyz......only an a-hole would HOPE this kid fails to fulfill his NFL dream and lead Buffalo forward....but those twisted minds are here, sadly................

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

....most DEFINITELY bro.......how many times have you heard BB say, "we won all THREE phases of the game"......no way in hell am I solely attributing 7-9 to TT.....how many times has Brady been way off and the defense and/or special teams bailed him out? ...the Wrecks Experiment is probably in my top five all time OBD disasters and there have been some beauties in my 55 years of following the boyz......only an a-hole would HOPE this kid fails to fulfill his NFL dream and lead Buffalo forward....but those twisted minds are here, sadly................

 

 

I mean I'm just saying it takes all phases to succeed, obviously. I wont deny the passing game was not up to snuff but add the defense and st in to the mix, 7-9.

 

that and the clowns who were coaching the team. too many factors to just put all the blame on one unit.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

 

I mean I'm just saying it takes all phases to succeed, obviously. I wont deny the passing game was not up to snuff but add the defense and st in to the mix, 7-9.

 

that and the clowns who were coaching the team. too many factors to just put all the blame on one unit.

...1000% correct and we are in total agreement.....2 out of 3 units clicking at a .667 pace will win ball games........only time .333 is successful is in MLB and NOT the NFL IMO......

[row_33]

Special teams hasn't been on the BIlls horizon of concern for a long time now.

 

Never mind that Belichick puts incredible high attention into his special teams, starting with a great kicker.

 

Fiddle dee deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

...1000% correct and we are in total agreement.....2 out of 3 units clicking at a .667 pace will win ball games........only time .333 is successful is in MLB and NOT the NFL IMO......

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

a better defense may help as well?

The team sure.

 

But Taylors game won't change because of it. IMO

[transplantbillsfan]

The team sure.

 

But Taylors game won't change because of it. IMO

 

Taylor's game or play won't change, you're right.

 

But perception of his game is almost certain to change pretty widely.

 

 

Wins and Losses do that for QBs. You see it all the time here. There are probably countless posts in this very thread where random posters are saying things like "I don't care about his stats, all I care about are Ws and Ls."

 

Just think about everyone's counter to anyone who points to the Dolphins game last year as a positive discussion point:

 

"But we still lost. He still couldn't do it."

 

Ws and Ls are team stats, but they're attributed (probably quite unfairly) mostly to QBs.

 

 

So, I think you're absolutely right. I actually think it's a pretty significant point. Personally, I don't think and never really thought Taylor was going to drastically change as a QB. I still don't think that. I think he'll be pretty careful with the football. I think there are always going to be WRs on the field he'll miss that he should have thrown to. I think there are always going to be times he should have stayed in the pocket rather than escaped the pocket and scrambled. But I think he'll always make enough positive plays with his legs to counterbalance some of those negatives. I think he'll probably use the middle of the football field this year mainly because of offensive design, but he's not going to suddenly become Tom Brady throwing over the middle.

 

Taylor is largely what he is I think. I think he could do what he does well a little more consistently and do what he doesn't do well a little less. But he's not really going to be a different QB.

 

But if this team wins a lot with him playing roughly like he did the last 2 years (2015 moreso than 2016) and he's throwing the ball a few more times per game than he did the last 2 years (which I expect), then I think Taylor will be seen in a whole new light, even though the likely actual reason this team would have improved so much will be because the D improved a lot.

 

The D is going to be the key, just like it so often is. But the QB will get too much credit, just like they so often do.

Edited August 24, 2017 by transplantbillsfan

[MAJBobby]

Then how does your stat work? If Taylor threw 62% completions, 20% uncatchable rounded what is the other 18% of his passes? Simply misses? If they are misses then they are either uncatchable or catchable but not caught.

Pass defensed throwaways Etc. They chart every throw he made

 

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-incompletions-by-type/2016/

 

Link? Who compiled these stats?

 

Proving that things like this are subjective, Cian Fahey says Taylor has the 9th highest accuracy % in 2016. And he also defines accuracy as "catchable."

 

That doesn't mean the stats you've provided are wrong or mine are right. You'd have to watch every single pass like those guys did to come to any conclusion on which one is more accurate. Still, that's interesting.

And Cian also has gone out of his way to make TT look better than reality

[JM2009]

Special teams hasn't been on the BIlls horizon of concern for a long time now.

 

Never mind that Belichick puts incredible high attention into his special teams, starting with a great kicker.

 

Fiddle dee deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....

Didn't the Bills get a better kicker in the offseason?