BillsFan4 Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Defense did not get the ball back near enough. Giddiness over hoping Taylor fails. weak. You get all bent out of shape on anyone who even remotely criticizes Tyrod whether the criticism is deserved or not, yet you have no issues criticizing a brand new front office staff for stuff that may not even be their fault? Do you not see the irony in that?
par73 Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I saw nothing inflammatory in the article--- just a recitation of facts we have been dealing with here for over 20 years (uncertainty at QB, with Taylor the latest).
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 'Taylor is 15-14 as the Bills’ starter, as mundane as it gets, though he’s actually done better than most Bills quarterbacks throughout their history. However, he still makes more plays with his legs than he does his arm which is not what you want from your quarterback. Some may not like to read that and call thw writer a hack, but sometimes the truth hurts.
Runninrams Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Persecution complex much? Sorry, but that was a pretty accurate and down the middle assessment of the Taylor situation. The management isnt sold on him and if they were they wouldnt have avoided being on the hook for the 30 mill and wouldnt have reworked his contract. Plain and simple. Frankly they are right to have doubts. He hasnt shown any consistently good/playoff caliber play as a starter and is in a prove it or get out year. At some point you have to admit he is what he is and move on
Cripple Creek Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Sal wins, he got your goat. Plus his theory is the correct one. A final chance for EJ?
MAJBobby Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Defense did not get the ball back near enough. Giddiness over hoping Taylor fails. weak. Where is giddiness hoping he fails. I jst said he needs to make big strides or gone. Which is all true.
JESSEFEFFER Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 It is obvious that any new HC would want some say over the QB position. Benching TT for the last game and telling him nothing about his future is 100% compatible with giving the soon to be hired HC a chance to form his own opinion. That chance to weigh in was likely a critical part of the HC recruiting process. I do not see the need to read any more into than that.
JMF2006 Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I liked the move TT was beat up and they had a big decision to make regarding EJ and the game was meaningless. Done and done they found out both EJ and CJ do not have what it takes to play QB in the NFL.
Thurman#1 Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Seems pretty obvious to me that Sal was probably right. You're right too that it also was a chance to check out the backups in game action. But it almost certainly never would have happened if not for the injury clause in Tyrod's contract. They simply didn't want to take the risk of further injury when that would have meant that they would have been required to keep Tyrod - and at the old and very expensive contract value. It would have meant activating that $30.5 million that was guaranteed to him under the old contact if he was on the roster in March, and he would have been on the roster in March. It's been pretty clear that Whaley simply did not want to do that. And that Tyrod is here now for two reasons, first because he was willing to lower his contract and second because McDermott took over the reins of power. He appears to value Tyrod - at least with the new contract - far more than Whaley did.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 'Taylor is 15-14 as the Bills starter, as mundane as it gets, though hes actually done better than most Bills quarterbacks throughout their history. However, he still makes more plays with his legs than he does his arm which is not what you want from your quarterback. Some may not like to read that and call thw writer a hack, but sometimes the truth hurts. You can statistically prove Taylor makes way more plays throwing than running. But that ruins the narrative. Hack.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Where is giddiness hoping he fails. I jst said he needs to make big strides or gone. Which is all true. 2009 is on my ignore list for that reason. he's imagines things then he won't let go of his Alternate Truth, It's been such a pleasure not having to read his lies. Plus his theory is the correct one. A final chance for EJ? to show OTHER teams some people imagine what they wish to read. You can statistically prove Taylor makes way more plays throwing than running. But that ruins the narrative. Hack. hack? Me or the writer? That was taken off the front page of TwoBillsDrive linking a story from the D&C. Please don't shoot the messenger. You can kindly disagree what with me, but as I sometimes the truth hurts. We need a passing QB that can scramble and avoids sacks much more than we need a scrambling QB that avoids sacks and hardly passes.
transient Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) I am often very openly critical of Buffalo's sports writers smug negativity and lack of talent. I think the OP is WAY overreacting to this piece. Sal took some creative license with the Hoffa analogy, but it was widely believed (not by all, but still widely believed) that was Taylor's last game, under the circumstances. What I read after that was a fairly accurate assessment of Taylor and his situation, quotes from Beane and McDermott saying they love the person and are hoping the player steps up, and commonly espoused criticisms of his game. He ends with a paragraph about Taylor's self confidence and willingness to prove himself followed by an encouraging quote from him instead of Sal taking a trite cheap shot that is meant to show us all how clever he is, which is TBN's favorite format. The article has been written a million times, so it's not particularly creative or insightful, but it's not unfair by any stretch. Edited July 25, 2017 by transient
ROCBillsBeliever Posted July 25, 2017 Author Posted July 25, 2017 I saw nothing inflammatory in the article--- just a recitation of facts we have been dealing with here for over 20 years (uncertainty at QB, with Taylor the latest). My claim for inflammatory language was based on the following quote, directly from Sal: "New Years’ Day, MetLife Stadium in the swamps of New Jersey, and Tyrod Taylor’s career with the Buffalo Bills seemed as deceased as Jimmy Hoffa." Wikipedia's definition of hyperbole (note: Hyperbole is NOT a bush-league bowl game for 6-win collegiate programs): Hyperbole From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hyperbole (ˈ/haɪˈpɜːrbəli/; Ancient Greek: ὑπερβολή, huperbolḗ, from ὑπέρ (hupér, “above”) and βάλλω (bállō, "I throw")) is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. In rhetoric, it is also sometimes known as auxesis (lit. "growth"). In poetry and oratory, it emphasizes, evokes strong feelings, and creates strong impressions. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole ... I rest my case.
Adam Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 An article published in the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle yesterday had me fed up with one aspect of the Bills-bashing culture in our regional media outlets. Give this a quick read: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2017/07/23/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-franchise-quarterback/490092001/ What I have an issue with is HOW nearly all of the media outlets have chosen to paint Tyrod's benching in the final game against the Jets as, and I quote Sal here, "the team essentially tipped its hand regarding Taylor’s future with the team." He also led with the absolutely inflammatory line: "New Years’ Day, MetLife Stadium in the swamps of New Jersey, and Tyrod Taylor’s career with the Buffalo Bills seemed as deceased as Jimmy Hoffa," concerning Taylor's benching. We all know how things turned out: we kept Taylor; however, at that time--and we continue to hear the regional media barking about this, non-stop, nearly half a year later--nobody seemed to actually know what the benching meant. Here are Tyrod's words on the subject (Sal actually included the quote in his article, but ONLY looked at it from a negative standpoint): "The next day, after cleaning out his locker, Taylor acknowledged that his time in Buffalo was probably over after two flashy but ultimately uninspiring seasons. “I mean that’s fair to say,” Taylor said. “That’s what it showed. That’s what I think it showed. But at the same time, the conversation wasn’t detailed enough to know if that was the case or not.” What I have issue with is that our regional media--in general here--tends to ALWAYS pick the negative side of the issue. Tyrod himself wasn't sure whether the benching meant his time was up in Buffalo, or that it meant something else. I'll be the first to conceed that it was handled poorly by the Bills brass (it's probably Whaley's fault... Whaley's gone rogue! Fire him! Oh... wait... nvm...). BUT why can't our writers EVER even entertain a potentially positive spin? I look at Taylor's benching as one last opportunity for the team to see if E.J. Manuel was worth re-signing as our backup QB, and a chance to look at Cardale Jones (albiet, an abbreviated one; I believe they should have given him the entire second half, but that's another matter). My point is that our regional media consistently chooses to paint most Buffalo Bills' moves in a negative light (in Sal's case here, he even turns the dagger with the Hoffa quote). Why don't we ever see a hint of positivity, when there clearly could be more than one side to the story? Does anyone else agree with me? Much of what the team has done since the late 1990's has been dysfunctional and produced negative results. That's where the negativity comes from
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 An article published in the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle yesterday had me fed up with one aspect of the Bills-bashing culture in our regional media outlets. Give this a quick read: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2017/07/23/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-franchise-quarterback/490092001/ What I have an issue with is HOW nearly all of the media outlets have chosen to paint Tyrod's benching in the final game against the Jets as, and I quote Sal here, "the team essentially tipped its hand regarding Taylor’s future with the team." He also led with the absolutely inflammatory line: "New Years’ Day, MetLife Stadium in the swamps of New Jersey, and Tyrod Taylor’s career with the Buffalo Bills seemed as deceased as Jimmy Hoffa," concerning Taylor's benching. We all know how things turned out: we kept Taylor; however, at that time--and we continue to hear the regional media barking about this, non-stop, nearly half a year later--nobody seemed to actually know what the benching meant. Here are Tyrod's words on the subject (Sal actually included the quote in his article, but ONLY looked at it from a negative standpoint): "The next day, after cleaning out his locker, Taylor acknowledged that his time in Buffalo was probably over after two flashy but ultimately uninspiring seasons. “I mean that’s fair to say,” Taylor said. “That’s what it showed. That’s what I think it showed. But at the same time, the conversation wasn’t detailed enough to know if that was the case or not.” What I have issue with is that our regional media--in general here--tends to ALWAYS pick the negative side of the issue. Tyrod himself wasn't sure whether the benching meant his time was up in Buffalo, or that it meant something else. I'll be the first to conceed that it was handled poorly by the Bills brass (it's probably Whaley's fault... Whaley's gone rogue! Fire him! Oh... wait... nvm...). BUT why can't our writers EVER even entertain a potentially positive spin? I look at Taylor's benching as one last opportunity for the team to see if E.J. Manuel was worth re-signing as our backup QB, and a chance to look at Cardale Jones (albiet, an abbreviated one; I believe they should have given him the entire second half, but that's another matter). My point is that our regional media consistently chooses to paint most Buffalo Bills' moves in a negative light (in Sal's case here, he even turns the dagger with the Hoffa quote). Why don't we ever see a hint of positivity, when there clearly could be more than one side to the story? Does anyone else agree with me? ....Sal and Leo are Roch-Cha-Cha's Sullivan ala Buffalo to a slightly lesser extent....and of course we have Bobby "The American" Matthews here with his yapping....do any of them REALLY matter?...nope.....
8-8 Forever? Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 An article published in the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle yesterday had me fed up with one aspect of the Bills-bashing culture in our regional media outlets. Give this a quick read: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2017/07/23/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-franchise-quarterback/490092001/ What I have an issue with is HOW nearly all of the media outlets have chosen to paint Tyrod's benching in the final game against the Jets as, and I quote Sal here, "the team essentially tipped its hand regarding Taylor’s future with the team." He also led with the absolutely inflammatory line: "New Years’ Day, MetLife Stadium in the swamps of New Jersey, and Tyrod Taylor’s career with the Buffalo Bills seemed as deceased as Jimmy Hoffa," concerning Taylor's benching. We all know how things turned out: we kept Taylor; however, at that time--and we continue to hear the regional media barking about this, non-stop, nearly half a year later--nobody seemed to actually know what the benching meant. Here are Tyrod's words on the subject (Sal actually included the quote in his article, but ONLY looked at it from a negative standpoint): "The next day, after cleaning out his locker, Taylor acknowledged that his time in Buffalo was probably over after two flashy but ultimately uninspiring seasons. “I mean that’s fair to say,” Taylor said. “That’s what it showed. That’s what I think it showed. But at the same time, the conversation wasn’t detailed enough to know if that was the case or not.” What I have issue with is that our regional media--in general here--tends to ALWAYS pick the negative side of the issue. Tyrod himself wasn't sure whether the benching meant his time was up in Buffalo, or that it meant something else. I'll be the first to conceed that it was handled poorly by the Bills brass (it's probably Whaley's fault... Whaley's gone rogue! Fire him! Oh... wait... nvm...). BUT why can't our writers EVER even entertain a potentially positive spin? I look at Taylor's benching as one last opportunity for the team to see if E.J. Manuel was worth re-signing as our backup QB, and a chance to look at Cardale Jones (albiet, an abbreviated one; I believe they should have given him the entire second half, but that's another matter). My point is that our regional media consistently chooses to paint most Buffalo Bills' moves in a negative light (in Sal's case here, he even turns the dagger with the Hoffa quote). Why don't we ever see a hint of positivity, when there clearly could be more than one side to the story? Does anyone else agree with me? can you imagine being a sports beat reporter in Blo/Roch? you have the Bills and the Sabres and distant minor league everything else.... they can be fully expected to be pretty much suicidal manic depressants by this point. Reporters covering the least achieving franchises in their respective leagues for a decade + . give em a break ... these teams need to give them something truly positive to lean on after 10-15 of non stop sucking. It will come. Winning cures everything. These two franchises just need to do that and all will be well.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 2009 is on my ignore list for that reason. he's imagines things then he won't let go of his Alternate Truth, It's been such a pleasure not having to read his lies. to show OTHER teams some people imagine what they wish to read. hack? Me or the writer? That was taken off the front page of TwoBillsDrive linking a story from the D&C. Please don't shoot the messenger. You can kindly disagree what with me, but as I sometimes the truth hurts. We need a passing QB that can scramble and avoids sacks much more than we need a scrambling QB that avoids sacks and hardly passes. Not you. Sal M. can you imagine being a sports beat reporter in Blo/Roch? you have the Bills and the Sabres and distant minor league everything else.... they can be fully expected to be pretty much suicidal manic depressants by this point. Reporters covering the least achieving franchises in their respective leagues for a decade + . give em a break ... these teams need to give them something truly positive to lean on after 10-15 of non stop sucking. It will come. Winning cures everything. These two franchises just need to do that and all will be well. Just the opposite. Reporters are supposed to be impartial, checking any fandom at the locker room door. If anything they love the drought because bad news is way more interesting than good. The stories write themselves. ....Sal and Leo are Roch-Cha-Cha's Sullivan ala Buffalo to a slightly lesser extent....and of course we have Bobby "The American" Matthews here with his yapping....do any of them REALLY matter?...nope..... Bob Matthews is living proof you CAN go through life fat, drunk and stupid. Edited July 25, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
par73 Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 My claim for inflammatory language was based on the following quote, directly from Sal: "New Years’ Day, MetLife Stadium in the swamps of New Jersey, and Tyrod Taylor’s career with the Buffalo Bills seemed as deceased as Jimmy Hoffa." Wikipedia's definition of hyperbole (note: Hyperbole is NOT a bush-league bowl game for 6-win collegiate programs): Hyperbole From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hyperbole (ˈ/haɪˈpɜːrbəli/; Ancient Greek: ὑπερβολή, huperbolḗ, from ὑπέρ (hupér, “above”) and βάλλω (bállō, "I throw")) is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. In rhetoric, it is also sometimes known as auxesis (lit. "growth"). In poetry and oratory, it emphasizes, evokes strong feelings, and creates strong impressions. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole ... I rest my case. The Hoffa analogy may have been hyperbolic (although most thought Taylor was done in Buffalo), but I was referring to the article as a whole and the points that were made.
yungmack Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 The flaw in Sallie Boy's article is his insistence on overlooking the obvious, and quite likely, true reason for "benching" Tyrod: that it was a meaningless game in which, had he been injured, the Bills would have had a "yo, mama" contract payment. Whether they intended to keep him or cut him, or to "showcase" EJ and Cardale, means nothing compared to writing that check.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 The flaw in Sallie Boy's article is his insistence on overlooking the obvious, and quite likely, true reason for "benching" Tyrod: that it was a meaningless game in which, had he been injured, the Bills would have had a "yo, mama" contract payment. Whether they intended to keep him or cut him, or to "showcase" EJ and Cardale, means nothing compared to writing that check. Not to mention flushing the #10 pick. But naw, can't be why.
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