cba fan Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Oh, you mean condescending remarks should not be taken as an insult? Yes I agree completely. Players take shots at old team and someone says he was not taking shot at old team. Makes no sense. His latest comment that Bills fans don't like winners could not be any further from the truth. Bills fans crave winning. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000822726/article/gilmore-on-bills-fans-hate-guess-you-hate-winners Bills love winners. They just hate cheaters. So I guess since Gilmore is now a winner even though he has won nothing yet then he is also a cheater because he is on the Pats?
Iron Maiden Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 He wasn't that great when he played here, don't see him being great in New England... Belichick will turn him into a top CB...isn't it the way it goes for Bills fans ? My god, some of you are so sensitive. He took crap for years here from "Bills fans." Now you are getting mad about him speaking the truth? We hate the Pats because they are winners. We didn't hate them in the 90s because they were losers. And now, the narrative switched. Stop being so sensitive. We hate them because they've been kicking our asses for almost 20 years.....14 division titles in 16 years is why I hate them....11 AFC Championship games in 16 years is why I hate them.....7 SB appearances and 5 trophies is why I hate them....having to deal with the longest dynasty ever in the NFL is why I hate them...having to deal with the GOAT at QB and HC is why I hate them....the fact that after all those years, and winning 2 out the last 3 SBs, they are unanimously the favorite to win it all this year is why I hate them.... So...bottom line...I hate them....
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Belichick will turn him into a top CB...isn't it the way it goes for Bills fans ? We hate them because they've been kicking our asses for almost 20 years.....14 division titles in 16 years is why I hate them....11 AFC Championship games in 16 years is why I hate them.....7 SB appearances and 5 trophies is why I hate them....having to deal with the longest dynasty ever in the NFL is why I hate them...having to deal with the GOAT at QB and HC is why I hate them....the fact that after all those years, and winning 2 out the last 3 SBs, they are unanimously the favorite to win it all this year is why I hate them.... So...bottom line...I hate them.... i think he will turn him into a top corner, mainly due the scheme and overall strength of their D as I don't think he will be exposed like he was in Rex's D. He also won't be the #1 corner there; Butler is better. He's basically a very highly paid replacement for Logan Ryan. I think with all that in mind he will have a great year.
CommonCents Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 i think he will turn him into a top corner, mainly due the scheme and overall strength of their D as I don't think he will be exposed like he was in Rex's D. He also won't be the #1 corner there; Butler is better. He's basically a very highly paid replacement for Logan Ryan. I think with all that in mind he will have a great year. I think he will be fine opposite Butler, it is worth mentioning that Logan Ryan was one of the highest rated corners as far as tackling last season. It will be interesting to see what/if Gilmore has any sort of negative impact there. I know corners get paid to cover. I'm just pointing out the difference in Gilmore and Ryan's game.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 i think he will turn him into a top corner, mainly due......to the defensive coordinator telling Gilmore what the play is and who's getting the ball before the snap.
reddogblitz Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 i think he will turn him into a top corner, mainly due the scheme and overall strength of their D as I don't think he will be exposed like he was in Rex's D. He also won't be the #1 corner there; Butler is better. He's basically a very highly paid replacement for Logan Ryan. I think with all that in mind he will have a great year. I think after several weak sister tackling attempts, Bill Bellyache throws his pencil in disgust and benches him to teach him a lesson.
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Never heard of this guy but... @jeffphowe Raymond Clayborn obliterated the Bills organization today: "I told (Stephon) Gilmore, 'I see why Buffalo lost four straight Super Bowls..." Clayborn: "I see that they will not be very good this year. They give up a great running back and a great cornerback. That's ridiculous..." Clayborn: "The people running Buffalo, whoever the owner is over there, he needs to look at them letting these guys go. That's ridiculous." Edited July 29, 2017 by YoloinOhio
eball Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Never heard of this guy but... @jeffphowe Raymond Clayborn obliterated the Bills organization today: "I told (Stephon) Gilmore, 'I see why Buffalo lost four straight Super Bowls..." Clayborn: "I see that they will not be very good this year. They give up a great running back and a great cornerback. That's ridiculous..." Clayborn: "The people running Buffalo, whoever the owner is over there, he needs to look at them letting these guys go. That's ridiculous." Former Patriot DB (before they started cheating). It's just as if Darryl Talley was spouting off. Nothing really to see here. Edited July 29, 2017 by eball
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Former Patriot DB (before they started cheating). It's just as if Darryl Talley was spouting off. Nothing really to see here. He doesn't even know who runs the Bills, or how long they've been at it.
Iron Maiden Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) i think he will turn him into a top corner, mainly due the scheme and overall strength of their D as I don't think he will be exposed like he was in Rex's D. He also won't be the #1 corner there; Butler is better. He's basically a very highly paid replacement for Logan Ryan. I think with all that in mind he will have a great year. Gilmore never had the luxury to play with a pro bowler safety like McCourthy....I wonder if this will change his game..... Edited July 30, 2017 by Iron Maiden
87168 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 He doesn't even know who runs the Bills, or how long they've been at it. I'm pretty sure he does. I think it was said in slight.
White Linen Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Gilmore is an excellent player and he'll play well for the Patriots. His tackling effort last year made sense for him but as a fan of the team it was BS. It was the type of effort that said I want out and I don't want to get hurt playing for Rex's sinking ship. I get it but he's also not our City's kind of player - my hunch is Tre White is. They'll like Gilmore and we'll like White.
#34fan Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) Gilmore was LAZY as a Bill.... Try that on the cheaters, and your azz is CUT!... Scrimmaging vs. Brandin Cooks will no-doubt improve Stephon. As will knowing that Bellichick's standard is 'dominance' OR 'off the team'. Edited July 30, 2017 by #34fan
3rdand12 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Gilmore is an excellent player and he'll play well for the Patriots. His tackling effort last year made sense for him but as a fan of the team it was BS. It was the type of effort that said I want out and I don't want to get hurt playing for Rex's sinking ship. I get it but he's also not our City's kind of player - my hunch is Tre White is. They'll like Gilmore and we'll like White. spot on, Triple! I should have bolded the last two sentences
bigduke6 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 am i missing something? was Gilmore a game changer? he was ok, but my feeling about him was, make a play, blow a play, make a play, blow a play. not worth what the Pats paid for him. sure he'll probably be above average for them, they have an offense that can support a defense. they have a hall of fame coach/QB. Pats defense has never really been all that impressive imo. Seems to be huge turnover in their secondary every year. Willing to bet that the Pats get exactly what we've seen all these years with Gillmore, meh, hes ok.
Iron Maiden Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 am i missing something? was Gilmore a game changer? he was ok, but my feeling about him was, make a play, blow a play, make a play, blow a play. not worth what the Pats paid for him. sure he'll probably be above average for them, they have an offense that can support a defense. they have a hall of fame coach/QB. Pats defense has never really been all that impressive imo. Seems to be huge turnover in their secondary every year. Willing to bet that the Pats get exactly what we've seen all these years with Gillmore, meh, hes ok. ?? They were #1 last year in points allowed.....Their first 3 SBs ( 2001, 2003 and 2004 ) were in a large part due to their defense...Belichick is first and foremost a great defensive mind.....how's that " not impressive " ?
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 spot on, Triple! I should have bolded the last two sentences I think we are about to get top corner production on a rookie contract......which is gonna allow us to improve the team in other areas cap wise
bigduke6 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) ?? They were #1 last year in points allowed.....Their first 3 SBs ( 2001, 2003 and 2004 ) were in a large part due to their defense...Belichick is first and foremost a great defensive mind.....how's that " not impressive " ? not impressive at all, youre bringing up teams from 10+years ago, last year they may have been #1 in points allowed but they were mediocre in everything else. you could move the ball on them. and yes, Belichick is a hall of fame defensive minded coach. They won the Super Bowl last year, but boy was the defense in that game terrible. none of his teams have been known for their secondary. relevant considering we're discussing Gillmore. lets not forget, Patsies had the easiest schedule by far last year. Edited July 30, 2017 by bigduke6
3rdand12 Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 I think we are about to get top corner production on a rookie contract......which is gonna allow us to improve the team in other areas cap wise If the Secondary can play cohesive football, our Corners might shine. But better said If the Front four, even 7 can get after it? The whole secondary might look very good indeed. And that is my hope
Iron Maiden Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) not impressive at all, youre bringing up teams from 10+years ago, last year they may have been #1 in points allowed but they were mediocre in everything else. you could move the ball on them. and yes, Belichick is a hall of fame defensive minded coach. They won the Super Bowl last year, but boy was the defense in that game terrible. none of his teams have been known for their secondary. relevant considering we're discussing Gillmore. You did say it " never was impressive "....in the early SB teams, they had Ty Law , Otis Smith and Lawyer Milloy.......in the 2014 SB, they had Revis, Browner , McCourthy and a certain rookie named Butler..... Find me a defensive stat that's more important than pts allowed.... If anything, NE's defense is always underrated because everyone talks non stop about their offense.... In last year's SB, they held the historically good Atlanta offense to 21 pts.....I would say it was terrible.....and completely blank them for the last quarter and a half.... Edited July 30, 2017 by Iron Maiden
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