Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Also of note: neither baseball or basketball have hard caps.
GoBills808 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 It's interesting that people have this mindset of animosity towards the players. I don't really understand it. It seems to me that are to some extent being exploited for profit by the owners, like most laborers. Compared to most industries you could argue the level of exploitation is about the same. 50% for payroll? Not to mention, as others have pointed out, the average career is only 3-4 years and much of the earnings are taxed away, pay managers, are poorly invested, etc. (There's a Netflix documentary). I guess I understand it's difficult to sympathize with someone making hundreds of thousands of dollars to play a game. But the straight up animosity is bizarre. 50% for payroll would be high in my industry.
Gugny Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Also of note: neither baseball or basketball have hard caps. Except when baseball players bat.
TaskerTough Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 When all teams are owned by the fans - players will be paid more, team revenue will increase, and the love communities shower over their teams will pay dividends. See: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Packers-Foundation-awards-250000-impact-grants-to-CP-and-Green-Bay-Area-Public-School-District/c44abf1c-e0a0-44e8-a963-a43864916181 Until that day, we languish together, nipping at each other over how much somebody "deserves to be paid". Trust me, we all deserve to be paid more.
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Yeah, friggin' greedy workers. If you think NFL Players are 'workers' we need to talk. The very idea of a union for millionaires rankles. The more severe rankle should come from the very existence of Public Employee Unions. Talk about the fleecing of America!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 If you think NFL Players are 'workers' we need to talk. The more severe rankle should come from the very existence of Public Employee Unions. Talk about the fleecing of America! Word. Teachers unions too.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 ....think Sherman should lead Goodell's charge for expansion to China......
boyst Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 this thread makes me laugh screw the players. laundry wearing idiots. When all teams are owned by the fans - players will be paid more, team revenue will increase, and the love communities shower over their teams will pay dividends. See: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Packers-Foundation-awards-250000-impact-grants-to-CP-and-Green-Bay-Area-Public-School-District/c44abf1c-e0a0-44e8-a963-a43864916181 Until that day, we languish together, nipping at each other over how much somebody "deserves to be paid". Trust me, we all deserve to be paid more. whatever this says, i wish it made sense but fear i would know less than i currently do after being able to understand it.
Radar Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Spoiled, ungrateful, ignorant of real life, thank you Mr. Sherman for showing us parents and grandpa's how to not raise our children. Entertainment and sports celebrities......now,my son, that's what I hope you don't pick as a role model.
BringBackOrton Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Sorry, I don't understand your point. Then how does the NBA survive? At any rate, there is already plenty of guaranteed $$ out there in the NFL...all we are talking about is increasing something that's already there My point is that the NBA isn't an apples to apples comparison? And that bad contracts have screwed up the NBA a ton. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in their league, you think anyone liked watching them pay the corpse of Amar'e Stoudemire a max contract for 5 years?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 My point is that the NBA isn't an apples to apples comparison? And that bad contracts have screwed up the NBA a ton. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in their league, you think anyone liked watching them pay the corpse of Amar'e Stoudemire a max contract for 5 years? ...LMAO...so putrid DOES have value.....it's all market driven FIRST and the actual product means squat.....would you pay 2 grand for courtside?.....
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Word. Teachers unions too. I'm married to a teacher and I couldn't agree more.
mannc Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 My point is that the NBA isn't an apples to apples comparison? And that bad contracts have screwed up the NBA a ton. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in their league, you think anyone liked watching them pay the corpse of Amar'e Stoudemire a max contract for 5 years? All NBA teams have signed bad player contracts, just like all NFL teams have. So what? Your point about the Bricks makes absolutely no sense. Do you really you think they stink because of guaranteed contracts, not because of lousy management?
BringBackOrton Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) All NBA teams have signed bad player contracts, just like all NFL teams have. So what? Your point about the Bricks makes absolutely no sense. Do you really you think they stink because of guaranteed contracts, not because of lousy management? Maybe you don't remember recent history. The Knicks were a decent team with a superstar in prime Carmelo Anthony from 2010-2014. They were hamstrung with an absolute albatross of a max contract in Amar'e Stoudemire during this time, a time when their championship contention window was at its widest. Amar'e Stoudemire's contract singlehandedly wasted the last few good years of a HoFer's career. There are countless examples of absolute awful contracts that end up destroying NBA teams. It's bad for the sport. I don't want to see more stuff like that in the NFL. I don't want to see a player singlehandedly cripple a franchise for 3-4 years. It wouldn't even work in the NFL as well as the NBA, where most of the money isn't tradeable. Edited July 14, 2017 by jmc12290
mannc Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Maybe you don't remember recent history. The Knicks were a decent team with a superstar in prime Carmelo Anthony from 2010-2014. They were hamstrung with an absolute albatross of a max contract in Amar'e Stoudemire during this time, a time when their championship contention window was at its widest. Amar'e Stoudemire's contract singlehandedly wasted the last few good years of a HoFer's career. There are countless examples of absolute awful contracts that end up destroying NBA teams. It's bad for the sport. I don't want to see more stuff like that in the NFL. I don't want to see a player singlehandedly cripple a franchise for 3-4 years. It's bad for stupid teams. The sport is doing just fine.
BringBackOrton Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 It's bad for stupid teams. The sport is doing just fine. It could be doing better.
Gugny Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 It could be doing better. The Knicks are in their current situation because they pulled a "hey let's hire Marv Levy as an exec! He was a great coach!" with Phil Jackson. He did so poorly, it was almost like he tried to do that poorly.
apuszczalowski Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 The cost to run an NFL franchise is so much more then an NBA franchise, it's not just players salary. There's more coaches and front office staff. There are also more injuries causing loss of players who then have to be replaced by others who will cost money. Larger venues that are harder to book for other events aside from the standard NFL schedule. It's not feasible to compare the 2 leagues. And it's funny how those who support the players always question those who call them greedy because the owners have more money. The owner also take on more risks. It doesn't cost a dime of their own money for someone to be a pro player, but it costs a lot to own a franchise so the pro players have a place to play. And just because they are already wealthy, it doesn't mean the owners have to be charities and do it all for nothing so the players can get rich. If your investing a billion dollars into something, you are going to expect a decent return on that investment. The owners aren't making the players do anything they don't want to, they aren't slave owners (even though I'm sure there are some who might say they are like them). If the players don't like what they are being paid to play a game that gives them almost half a year off every year, no one is making them do it. They all went to college, usually on a scholarship, go put that cheap/free education you got to use.....
Recommended Posts