DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 "nothing but luck, no skill and anyone on this board can drop a number in the hat and be right, or wrong, no real science here." That's what you said. I challenged you (politely, I'll add). This is what we call a conversation. playing the innocent game. conversation is one thing, snide remarks are another. Your team? Is this Terry or Kim? like I said, carry on. my conversation is over in this thread...
Gugny Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 playing the innocent game. conversation is one thing, snide remarks are another. like I said, carry on. my conversation is over in this thread... Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you, Da. I hope someday we can get past this and become friends.
Thurman#1 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) I think they got worse and have two hopeless Quarterbacks. 6-10 season coming up. It isn't about being optimistic for the Bills... I just see an ageing Denver team with much worse coaching and no answer at the Quarterback position. EDIT: I will go further... they will finish bottom of the AFC West and could well end up picking top 5 in the 2018 Draft. In fact I think that is going to be my bold prediction. Saying pretty much any QB in his second year is hopeless doesn't really make sense. Lynch and Siemian both have a reasonable chance to be good. Having two young guys with some promise is a very very good thing for them. It certainly is a bold prediction. I'd urge you not to bet the rent on it. Or even a bologna sandwich. They still have that defense. Denver is picked to be 8-8 and miss the playoffs. 8.5 is the over for them. And 6 for the Bills. Just saying. Not to be smug but I did think we would beat the Cardinals and the Rams. I had the Cardinals taking a big step back similar the way I have Denver doing this year. I didn't have the Jets or the Dolphins sweeping us though that is true. I like to think I am pretty good at spotting a team whose window has closed and is about to have a down year or two though and Denver is every inch that team this year. Losing Wade Phillips will hurt tremendously IMO. Respectfully disagree. They're promoting from within and probably will be using most of Phillips' system, and the new guy was supposed to be a serious up-and-comer. If they were switching schemes, I'd agree. It doesn't look like they are. Edited July 6, 2017 by Thurman#1
JM2009 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 I'll take the under all day on 8.5 for Denver. me too.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Saying pretty much any QB in his second year is hopeless doesn't really make sense. Lynch and Siemian both have a reasonable chance to be good. Having two young guys with some promise is a very very good thing for them. It certainly is a bold prediction. I'd urge you not to bet the rent on it. Or even a bologna sandwich. They still have that defense. 8.5 is the over for them. And 6 for the Bills. Just saying. Respectfully disagree. They're promoting from within and probably will be using most of Phillips' system, and the new guy was supposed to be a serious up-and-comer. If they were switching schemes, I'd agree. It doesn't look like they are. 1-6 when they scored fewer than 20 points per game. Also 1-6 when they had 1 or fewer takeaways on defense. Great defense - but they're without Ware so Ray is a full-time starter and they lose depth. They were remarkably healthy a year ago, i think only CJ Andersons injury having a large effect on them. They play KC, SD, and OAK twice. None of them are cupcakes. They play the NFC and AFC easts. Outside of the Jets, all those teams can compete with a team like Denver. Then they play CIN and IND in their other games. Also not cupcakes. If they remain healthy, and QBs develop, they are probably a playoff team with a top 5 defense. If the defense suffers a few injuries, and they struggle to stop the run as they did a year ago, they are under 8 wins. Edited July 6, 2017 by dneveu
Very wide right Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 THIS....... I see a Superbowl appearance for the Bills this year. I dont see anybody stopping them.
Royale with Cheese Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Respectfully disagree. They're promoting from within and probably will be using most of Phillips' system, and the new guy was supposed to be a serious up-and-comer. If they were switching schemes, I'd agree. It doesn't look like they are. I see your point but I just see Phillips as a great game day/play caller. He might be able to use most of Phillips system but the execution of the play calls...I think Phillips and LeBeau as the two best that I've seen. But this new guy could be just as good....we will see.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 I see your point but I just see Phillips as a great game day/play caller. He might be able to use most of Phillips system but the execution of the play calls...I think Phillips and LeBeau as the two best that I've seen. But this new guy could be just as good....we will see. Belichick's gotta be in there. I know he doesn't call them anymore, but he did win 2 with Parcells as the game-day caller. But hes had a top-10 defense like... the majority of his time in NE.
Royale with Cheese Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Belichick's gotta be in there. I know he doesn't call them anymore, but he did win 2 with Parcells as the game-day caller. But hes had a top-10 defense like... the majority of his time in NE. Belicheck for sure but I see him more as a HC than a DC.
Ramza86 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Youre right OP....The Browns and the Pats...its the same level of difficulty for us.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Youre right OP....The Browns and the Pats...its the same level of difficulty for us. I think the idea is... you can't use a teams previous season's success as a measurement for the difficulty of your schedule this year. There are obvious exceptions (NE is the big one, CLE on the other end of the spectrum). Tons of roster turnover, injuries, and good/bad luck can drastically alter a teams success.
Ramza86 Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 I think the idea is... you can't use a teams previous season's success as a measurement for the difficulty of your schedule this year. There are obvious exceptions (NE is the big one, CLE on the other end of the spectrum). Tons of roster turnover, injuries, and good/bad luck can drastically alter a teams success. I get that...but how much worse does a good team get barring injury? Not to mention...what if the good team...plays better. If a team stays the same from last year...same coach...most of the same players...same system...you dont wont see a much of a drop off...unless they are playing tougher teams.....whats a few more losses in terms of a teams talent if they lost a few tight games when they come into Buffalo.
transplantbillsfan Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Considering the general parity in the NFL, this seems pretty obvious. Every year you have teams that go from being pretty good to mediocrity (Jets, Bengals) or go from mediocrity to being pretty good (Atlanta) or go from sucking to being pretty good (Titans) or go from mediocrity to being great (Oakland) or go from great to sucking (Carolina) or go from sucking to being great (Dallas). And all that was just last year. The most consistent teams in the NFL have probably been the Browns for sucking, the Bills for mediocrity, and the Pats for greatness. It doesn't help that we play in the same division as the Pats. But, in the end, looking at our schedule and circling games like Atlanta and Carolina as losses seems like grasping at straws. I actually think Atlanta's going to feel the loss of Shanahan and take a step back from what they were last year. And Carolina... well, they sucked last year. Circling that as a loss seems like purely a guess.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Youre right OP....The Browns and the Pats...its the same level of difficulty for us. ...any particular reason why you left the Jets out?.......the offensive juggernaut that SWEPT us last year?...................
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 I get that...but how much worse does a good team get barring injury? Not to mention...what if the good team...plays better. If a team stays the same from last year...same coach...most of the same players...same system...you dont wont see a much of a drop off...unless they are playing tougher teams.....whats a few more losses in terms of a teams talent if they lost a few tight games when they come into Buffalo. Atlanta scored 339 points in 2015, and 560 in 2016. Which team are they? Carolina scored 500 points in 2015, and 369 in 2016. Which team are they? Cincy... 12-4 in 2015, 6-9-1 in 2016. Jets 10-6 in 2015, 5-11 in 2016. Is all of this because they "played a harder schedule"?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Atlanta scored 339 points in 2015, and 560 in 2016. Which team are they? Carolina scored 500 points in 2015, and 369 in 2016. Which team are they? Cincy... 12-4 in 2015, 6-9-1 in 2016. Jets 10-6 in 2015, 5-11 in 2016. Is all of this because they "played a harder schedule"? ....FAR too many unpredictable variables occurring during the season.......and then there's this MAJOR curveball: Brady goes down, Cassel leads Pats to 11-5 in 2008 and they MISS the playoffs.....you never know.. Edited July 6, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 ....FAR too many unpredictable variables occurring during the season.......and then there's this MAJOR curveball: Brady goes down, Cassel leads Pats to 11-5 in 2008 and they MISS the playoffs.....you never know.. Turnovers tend to fluctuate from year to year. % of fumbles recovered tends to fluctuate. Some years every pass that gets deflected lands in jairus byrds hands, and other years they all end up on the turf.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Turnovers tend to fluctuate from year to year. % of fumbles recovered tends to fluctuate. Some years every pass that gets deflected lands in jairus byrds hands, and other years they all end up on the turf. ...look more at injuries, releases, abrupt cuts due to legal, coaches who get fired and their replacements have other favorites, underperforming benchings within an unknown replacement, etc....and I know I missed some.............
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 ...look more at injuries, releases, abrupt cuts due to legal, coaches who get fired and their replacements have other favorites, underperforming benchings within an unknown replacement, etc....and I know I missed some............. Either way - anything can happen. there are only a couple guarantees ... a Tom brady led patriots team will win 12-16 games this year. And the browns will stink.
GunnerBill Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 me too. Me three. Wouldn't even think twice. Saying pretty much any QB in his second year is hopeless doesn't really make sense. Lynch and Siemian both have a reasonable chance to be good. Having two young guys with some promise is a very very good thing for them. Well I never felt like Lynch had much of a chance coming out. He was my "not with a barge pole" player of the 2016 draft. Siemian is a perfect stylistic fit for Kubiak and Dennison - a poor man's Matt Schaub. Let's see how he transitions into Mike McCoy's offense - I suspect not well. And the defense keeps getting older and keeps losing peices and they lost Wade.
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