brianfantana Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Dude, the Bills are always ranked 27th in everything. They could have the Falcons roster and PFF would rank them 27th. My first (and probably only) reply is to say right on to this. Always damn 27th.
Big C Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Without trying to be a Debbie Downer, if the last few visits are an indication he can expect a lowball offer from the Bills. With the amount of interest, I'd be surprised (and thrilled) to have him controlling the middle. I would think a player of his caliber and age would get a meatier deal, but there are some risks with his health and being out of football for a year so we might end up getting a reasonable price without being cheap.
Chandler#81 Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Lets get this out of the way right now: Unless youre willing to out your source and tell us every detail, youre a lying scumbag looking for attention. Also, welcome to the board! Captain, you are now the Board's unofficial Welcoming Committee. DC Tom still holds the OFFICIAL title. Long time reader, first time poster. My little birdie tells me Zach Orr will be coming to Buffalo for a visit. Not sure of the day yet, but he will be coming. He's just looking to play Whales! Is that you??
JTO Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) As much as I love football, I'd rather look out for a players health. With that said, I would pass. It's obvious the player loves football and probably feels that it's hard to just walk away. Edited June 29, 2017 by JTO
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 @josinaanderson FA LB Zach Orr is not done w/ his physical in Detroit. Expected to finish blood work in the am. "Doctors are pleased w/ everything so far." Zach Orr's agent Robert Sheets tells me Orr has interest from "16 teams" so far. Adds Orr intends to take as many meaningful visits as posb.
That's No Moon Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Just saw this on NFLN: 2nd team All Pro LB Zach Orr retired from Ravens after last season because he was told he was born with a rare medical condition that could seriously impact his health if he kept playing (lead to paralysis if hit). Never filed retirement paperwork though and was set to become a RFA. Ravens never tendered him since he announced he was retiring. Since then he's received news from doctors that he is at no bigger risk than anyone else. Now he's a UFA and can sign anywhere. Just needs cleared by team doctor. He was live on Good Morning Football talking about it. https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817698/article/zach-orr-considering-returning-to-nfl-after-new-health-prognosis?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=team%3dbal%3bconf%3dafc%3bdvsn%3dacn&sr=amp If you see enough doctors you will find one who says what you want to hear. That said the NFL has absolutely no soul whatsoever. If the kid can play, wants to take the risk, and is willing to sign a contract the completely insulates the team, he'll find a job. When he gets hurt again the team will use whatever language they put into the contract to protect themselves and pay the kid as little as possible on his way out the door to a lifetime of health problems if not full on paralysis.
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) If you see enough doctors you will find one who says what you want to hear. That said the NFL has absolutely no soul whatsoever. If the kid can play, wants to take the risk, and is willing to sign a contract the completely insulates the team, he'll find a job. When he gets hurt again the team will use whatever language they put into the contract to protect themselves and pay the kid as little as possible on his way out the door to a lifetime of health problems if not full on paralysis. not saying it's the exact same situation because Orr's is congenital , but no one has signed Aaron Williams and his agent claims he's 100% healthy. If that's true then it has to be the fear of the neck situation - he's young and talented and wants to keep playing. He's had two visits, I think. Edited June 30, 2017 by YoloinOhio
That's No Moon Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 not saying it's the exact same situation because Orr's is congenital , but no one has signed Aaron Williams and his agent claims he's 100% healthy. If that's true then it has to be the fear of the neck situation - he's young and talented and wants to keep playing. He's had two visits, I think. Or his price is too high, or he's not willing to agree to indemnity language. He's also a vested veteran who would have a fully guaranteed salary after week 1. Aaron drops his ask to vet minimum with no guaranteed money he'll have a job in week 2.
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Plus, their grocery stores are amazing. similar to niagara falls. I have no idea who Zach Orr is but I feel the same was as I do Aaron Williams. If you have an increased risk for death or paralysis you should hang your cleats up.
machine gun kelly Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 As talented as he was for the Ravens, teams need to say no. The NFL should pressure teams not to take him. Why? Their own self interest. What I mean is imagine what will happen to NFL popularity and bad press from a player with known issues with a weakened disk in his C4 if I remember correctly laying on the field for the whole nation to watch paralyzed or killed on the field. Remember when Kevin Everett almost died it changed special teams rules. Remember how you felt in the stadium or on your couch watching him on the ground and the news that day he might die. I don't want anything to do with someone putting themselves at that kind of risk. It's why I don't ever want to see Aaron Williams in an NFL jersey again. He seems like a nice kid. Sometimes you have to protect a player from himself.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) @alexmarvez .@ZO35 tells @SiriusXMNFL he just arrived for UFA visit with @Colts & slated to visit @nyjets next. Expects to hear from @Lions later today @SiriusXMNFL FA LB Zach Orr (@ZO35): The reason I retired is a birth defect, not an injury. I'm not injured...I feel great. Zach Orr: I retired after seeing only one doctor...rest of doctors have told me I'm not at a greater risk. Edited June 30, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
hondo in seattle Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 @alexmarvez .@ZO35 tells @SiriusXMNFL he just arrived for UFA visit with @Colts & slated to visit @nyjets next. Expects to hear from @Lions later today @SiriusXMNFL FA LB Zach Orr (@ZO35): The reason I retired is a birth defect, not an injury. I'm not injured...I feel great. Zach Orr: I retired after seeing only one doctor...rest of doctors have told me I'm not at a greater risk. That does put an interesting spin on things. If entirely true, the kid should be given a chance to play assuming he's cleared by club doctors (not just his own).
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 Humans aren't meant to play football ~ Doug Whaley
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Humans aren't meant to play football ~ Doug WhaleyIs it weird that he's right?
CA OC Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Of course most of us remember Kevin Everett. How about Derrick Burroughs? 1st round (pick 14) pick for the Bills in 1985 draft. Excellent DB. A Monday night game in 1989 against Houston he injured his neck and never played football again. He was diagnosed with spinal stenosis. He wanted to make a comeback, but no team would touch him. According to this article, https://tspnnews.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/derek-burroughs-erased-from-history/he had to sue the Bills to even get his medical bills paid for (I presume they said it was a preexisting condition, but I didn't research it and didn't know the Bills refused to pay until I looked up the article). Bill Polian was mentioning him on Sirius XM the other day, without mentioning his name. Just said that one of our 1st round picks from the 80s had this condition, the Bills knew about it before the draft but the doctors said he was safe "unless he had an incident." Per Bill, in the Houston game he had an incident and that was the end of his career. I found it interesting that Bill described the entire thing but did not mention his name. And, I had never heard before that the Bills knew he was vulnerable before hand. I kind of remember it had been reported as if we were surprised to learn of the defect until after the injury. By the way, Burroughs is now an assistant coach at Jackson State.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Of course most of us remember Kevin Everett. How about Derrick Burroughs? 1st round (pick 14) pick for the Bills in 1985 draft. Excellent DB. A Monday night game in 1989 against Houston he injured his neck and never played football again. He was diagnosed with spinal stenosis. He wanted to make a comeback, but no team would touch him. According to this article, https://tspnnews.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/derek-burroughs-erased-from-history/he had to sue the Bills to even get his medical bills paid for (I presume they said it was a preexisting condition, but I didn't research it and didn't know the Bills refused to pay until I looked up the article). Bill Polian was mentioning him on Sirius XM the other day, without mentioning his name. Just said that one of our 1st round picks from the 80s had this condition, the Bills knew about it before the draft but the doctors said he was safe "unless he had an incident." Per Bill, in the Houston game he had an incident and that was the end of his career. I found it interesting that Bill described the entire thing but did not mention his name. And, I had never heard before that the Bills knew he was vulnerable before hand. I kind of remember it had been reported as if we were surprised to learn of the defect until after the injury. By the way, Burroughs is now an assistant coach at Jackson State. Had to retire due Spinal Stenosis.
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 @alexmarvez Why Zach Orr is coming back, and why he still respects Ravens http://www.sportingnews.com/amp/nfl/news/zach-orr-injury-free-agency-rumors-ravens-lions-jets-colts/1f0060c3af5gr1drqw4nip53ru
Big Turk Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 We just cut Aaron Williams because concerns over a neck condition...doubt our doctors would be one of the teams that clear him
wilcoam Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 Sorry I'm not all that big on Orr Not that PFF ratings are the end all and be all but he was rated very very poorly vs the run last year I'll take the run stuffing potential of Ragland over Orr today and twice on Sunday And I'll note Hodges PFF run rating was very very high So for the poster here who said Orr could be HC Sean Kuchley's Uh no, please note Luke's PFF run rating was double that of Orr's, lol Yeah, no thanks... jc
NoSaint Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 similar to niagara falls. I have no idea who Zach Orr is but I feel the same was as I do Aaron Williams. If you have an increased risk for death or paralysis you should hang your cleats up. Why is standard risk acceptable and any increase not?
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