3rdand12 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't see this team as Tanking right now. The are still good enough to win games and havent gutted there roster anymore then most teams would under a new coaching staff. Just because they didn't go hard after Decker or Maclin doesn't mean they are throwing the season to get the #1 overall pick, they may just not see the value in paying the price for those WRs, especially if the plan is similar to the last offence where the bulk of it is in the running game (which it appears from their moves it is) Now the jets, what they appear to be doing is tanking the season This is a straightforward perspective. and I agree. Your point about the offense is fair, but i do believe Maclin would have been fine fit for Tyrod. Don't believe it. But if it were true, whatever was said to Kyle Williams to get him on board must have been a lie that is bottom-of-the-barrel scummy. Kyle coming back. Thats weighted very heavy in my factoring for what this season will look like. And i would be very surprised if he was mislead. He also still has the ability to mentor while supporting it with his playing et al. Washington Lawson and Dareus can still learn a ton from him. Very wise to bring him back imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Miami isnt going to run on us for 200 yards a game again...not with Reggie Ragland at LB Sounds like famous last words... I keep on hearing that it is a tough schedule and I just dont see it..... Yes...there are some tough teams in there but we literally have a team in our division TRYING to lose games. KW is 34 years old, and not getting younger... If you could draft a beast to replace him next year, you'd be doing right... We have a new GM, a new HC, OC, and DC.. We've switched defensive philosophies, and let key players walk... Lowering your expectations in lieu of a bigger picture may be something OBD embraced at the end of Last season. If building through the draft is your goal, then what better way is there to go? Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 yes im sure that is it It'd be affective at the least. Maybe we can trade clay too. Not saying I'm for it, but is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/kyle-williams-1193/ According to that page, Kyle has 6.3 million reasons to finish his contract out this season. Stop acting like he's doing it for the ring that's not coming this year anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Once again, the schedule at this time of year is meaningless. There is NO correlation between this year and last year with most teams, esepcially once you factor in key injuries and suspensions for the game we are playing them in you guys are on the same page Everyone acts like it's the worst thing they ever heard... After seventeen years, I'm open to hear anything that there's a plan behind... Sure, it's speculative space-filler... But it's interesting to discuss. -If it wasn't, most of you wouldn't have descended on this thread as quickly as you did... It's not a bad word, TANK... To me it's sounds cleaner and less ambiguous than "REBUILD"... Plus, if it results in a ton of leverage come draft time, where's the damage? It's not like we're protecting our reputations. Sure, it's difficult, but let's be mature, and examine the merits of a season where the point might not be winning every game... Or, if you choose, continue pounding the table with shout's of "playoffs NOW!" This board should be big enough to accommodate both perspectives sans the insults. Perhaps you mistook our Friend here OLDMANANDTHESEA ? His humor might have meant?.. Bills have been taking for 17 years. And not intentionally. I thought is it wise funny. sad but funny. Maybe you will reconsider he attempted to insult you ? I have a hard time believing we can ask a steer of professional athletes towards tanking....their brains are just not wired that way....they would lose all respect for the new coaching staff rather quickly.... saw you watched the last two years like i did. Players can give in. Just frustrate them with dysfunction. Ask Zach Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 you guys are on the same page Perhaps you mistook our Friend here OLDMANANDTHESEA ? His humor might have meant?.. Bills have been taking for 17 years. And not intentionally. I thought is it wise funny. sad but funny. Maybe you will reconsider he attempted to insult you ? ...would love to see one of our resident stat rats do a comparative analysis over the last two years regarding strength of schedule prognostications before season begins versus end of season results....injuries, cuts, arrests, etc are unpredictable factors as the season progresses..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) I enjoyed this particular article... Pro's and cons. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19652764/tanking-nfl-advantages-disadvantages-worth-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-2017 Maybe you will reconsider he attempted to insult you ? I was speaking in general of nefarious deeds on the board... A spray bottle for an irate Chihuahua, if you will.. Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 ...would love to see one of our resident stat rats do a comparative analysis over the last two years regarding strength of schedule prognostications before season begins versus end of season results....injuries, cuts, arrests, etc are unpredictable factors as the season progresses..... I have to agree. One thing i have come to realize after all. Parity is pretty real. Because of all the unknowns. And there are plenty to consider, some you have already mentioned. Schedule is what it is. like mentioned before, you play the game in front of you. and that's how you define a football team. imho I enjoyed this particular article... Pro's and cons. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19652764/tanking-nfl-advantages-disadvantages-worth-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-2017 I was speaking in general of nefarious deeds on the board... A spray bottle for an irate Chihuahua, if you will.. Ah, fair to mist the overheated little bastards. Thanks for the clarification. I had a chiwawaa when i was about 5. Threw up alot. true story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I have to agree. One thing i have come to realize after all. Parity is pretty real. Because of all the unknowns. And there are plenty to consider, some you have already mentioned. Schedule is what it is. like mentioned before, you play the game in front of you. and that's how you define a football team. imho Ah, fair to mist the overheated little bastards. Thanks for the clarification. I had a chiwawaa when i was about 5. Threw up alot. true story ....sounds like we both agree that there is no reason to panic based on pre-season prognostications and throw in the towel now....stranger things have happened as the season progresses IMO..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Sounds like famous last words... KW is 34 years old, and not getting younger... If you could draft a beast to replace him next year, you'd be doing right... We have a new GM, a new HC, OC, and DC.. We've switched defensive philosophies, and let key players walk... Lowering your expectations in lieu of a bigger picture may be something OBD embraced at the end of Last season. If building through the draft is your goal, then what better way is there to go? I just dont think that the bills have made moves that say "we are playing for draft position" All those things you mention...they might actually IMPROVE the team especially on the defensive side You should not auto think we are going to lose because we made changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Had they let players walk and not signed anyone, the article may have had some validity to it. But the Bills essentially replaced everyone they lost, for far less, although White for Gilmore remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Had they let players walk and not signed anyone, the article may have had some validity to it. But the Bills essentially replaced everyone they lost, for far less, although White for Gilmore remains to be seen. It's not like they filled those gaps with anything but third-tier replacements. This article lays out the rules, and gives some honor to the deed. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19652764/tanking-nfl-advantages-disadvantages-worth-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-2017 Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's not like they filled those gaps with anything but third-tier replacements. They filled them with similar replacements. Again with Gilmore being the only real loss unless/until White shows he's up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 So you think they'll miss the Ryan brothers? They were a huge loss...in the gross weight of the team. I enjoyed this particular article... Pro's and cons. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19652764/tanking-nfl-advantages-disadvantages-worth-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-2017 I was speaking in general of nefarious deeds on the board... A spray bottle for an irate Chihuahua, if you will.. When exactly are the Browns supposed to start trying to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) They were a huge loss...in the gross weight of the team. When exactly are the Browns supposed to start trying to win? Hey, how about a pee-break for the sad-sack Browns? For YEARS their division offered non stop run-ins with playoff, and/or superbowl caliber teams... They've been through hell and it hasn't always been from a lack of trying... I think this season will feature a more intense, dedicated Browns team.... Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Think of it as a strategic reduction in output pending draft order verification. Most of the teams you cited endured lousy seasons before breakthroughs... -Just not 17 of those lousy seasons... AND success for them generally meant the acquisition of a Franchise QB. A 3-13 season could have us sitting pretty with a fistful of options come draft time... Those options could translate into stud picks that could produce as early as 2018... Please understand, I'm not trying to sell this thing outright. I'm just dragging it out into the light so we can all have a look at it... It's not a great option, but at this point, it sounds less frustrating than 8-8 with another failed playoff bid. -Doesn't it? I KNOW several current/past pro athletes... AND have met some of their agents... I think you could steer a pro-athlete towards anything there's money at the end of... Especially if there's an understanding that this is what's happening from the start. That was precisely my point. They endured lousy seasons before breakthroughs but never tanked. I don't think there is a magic pill or player that will make it all go away. We need several things to consistently compete. Edited June 25, 2017 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 They filled them with similar replacements. Again with Gilmore being the only real loss unless/until White shows he's up to the task. To be truthful they filled them with guys that have potential to fill the roles but have not yet shown they can Cycling in draft picks for proven vets can be great, or a major flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 To be truthful they filled them with guys that have potential to fill the roles but have not yet shown they can Cycling in draft picks for proven vets can be great, or a major flop This is no different from most teams: they lose guys every year and they try to fill in the holes via FA, the draft and with young players already on the roster. Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) This is no different from most teams: they lose guys every year and they try to fill in the holes via FA, the draft and with young players already on the roster. Nothing to see here. The good teams seem to retain a veteran talent base at key positions, so they're filling holes, without starting over... NE can handle adding Chris Hogan because their skill base of Edelman and Amendola is in tact.. They can add guys like David Harris without breaking a sweat because of Hightower and Ninkovich. They're never flat broke at any one position. Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 To be truthful they filled them with guys that have potential to fill the roles but have not yet shown they can Cycling in draft picks for proven vets can be great, or a major flop I was mostly talking about Holmes, Streater and Brown for Woods, Hunter and Goodwin, and Hodges for Brown. They're not rookies and have at least shown that they can be as productive in the NFL as the guys they're replacing. Whatever Zay Jones can add will be gravy, as it will be if Sammy can stay healthy for more than 8 games this year. Same for Dawkins at RT. Gilmore is by far the biggest loss, but is the only loss expected to be filled by a rookie, Tre' White. Hopefully he lives up to the praise being heaped on him in OTA's and minicamp. The good teams seem to retain a veteran talent base at key positions, so they're filling holes, without starting over... NE can handle adding Chris Hogan because their skill base of Edelman and Amendola is in tact.. They can add guys like David Harris without breaking a sweat because of Hightower and Ninkovich. They're never flat broke at any one position. Why use the Cheaters as an example? They're the exception and not even close to the rule. They can have JAG's at WR and still have a productive offense, and Belichick can piece together a defense from nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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