Doc Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 While I agree that the drought has nothing to do with the possibility of tanking this year, I still think that the idea of the Bills tanking is not far-fetched. What have they done since the end of last season that tells you they're committed to making a playoff run this year? Which of the players they let walk have they replaced with players who've proven they will be just as good/better than their predecessors? I think Holmes, Streeter, and Brown will be better than they guys they are replacing, and at worst, the same. And they're not rookies. If Zay Jones lives up to his draft status, the WR corps is improved immensely. If Sammy stays healthy for the year... I think Hodges is at least as good as Brown. And again, he's no rookie. As I said before, my concern is replacing Gilmore with White. But also as I said before, a change in scheme will put guys like Marcell, Jerry, Kyle, and Shaq back in positions where they belong/are suited and that will help the linebackers and secondary out.
#34fan Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Your point still does not in any way indicate tanking and "our" #1 pick was spent this year on White. They acquired an additional #1 in 2018 as you well know. The players mentioned have quite a bit to prove of course, but they have pedigree that predicts as certain measure of success as they (White and Jones) were both selected in the same rounds as the players they replaced. They have to show they can cut it at the NFL level, but I maintain that it in no way adds up to tanking. Trading down to take a CB when you could have selected a franchise ANYTHING says foundation-builder to me....Timing is consideration... If there was ever a time to tank-out for a rookie HC/GM combo, it would be NOW... They'd look like geniuses if it worked out... Edited June 27, 2017 by #34fan
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Trading down to take a CB when you could have selected a franchise ANYTHING says foundation-builder to me....Timing is consideration... If there was ever a time to tank-out for a rookie HC/GM combo, it would be NOW... They'd look like geniuses if it worked out... they are not tanking. repeat after me, they are NOT tanking. this thread fails big time
Gugny Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 You don't re-sign a 35 year old Lorenzo Alexander or bring back Tyrod and Kyle Williams to tank a season. It doesn't add up. But bringing back the QB who "led" the team to the worst passing game in the league .... you do that when you want to win?
26CornerBlitz Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 But bringing back the QB who "led" the team to the worst passing game in the league .... you do that when you want to win? Was there a better veteran alternative? they are not tanking. repeat after me, they are NOT tanking. this thread fails big time It's pure fantasy.
#34fan Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 they are not tanking. repeat after me, they are NOT tanking. Guess we'll see... this thread fails big time And yet.... Here you are. No one ever said for 100% certain that this IS a Tank Job... We were merely discussing the implications of certain off-season maneuvers. The conversation branched off into the merits of a thorough, well-scripted, tanking... The only person who said that anything was 100% was YOU... A fact, I hope you don't end up regretting! -GO BILLS!
Doc Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Trading down to take a CB when you could have selected a franchise ANYTHING says foundation-builder to me....Timing is consideration... If there was ever a time to tank-out for a rookie HC/GM combo, it would be NOW... They'd look like geniuses if it worked out... Who is to say that White can't be a franchise CB? Was there a better veteran alternative? Nope. TT, while limited, was still the best option and led an offense which was good enough to get into the playoffs, if the defense had done it's job.
#34fan Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Who is to say that White can't be a franchise CB? Nobody. Nope. TT, while limited, was still the best option and led an offense which was good enough to get into the playoffs, if the defense had done it's job. Your beloved TT will get another chance... Let's hope this all doesn't end in tears. -And by "tears" I mean 7-9, or 8-8 At least a 3-13 season means there's something REAL to look forward to... By week 6, I'll know where we're headed. Edited June 27, 2017 by #34fan
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 .The only person who said that anything was 100% was YOU... A fact, I hope you don't end up regretting! -GO BILLS! no worries there, since they aren't tanking...
Guest NeckBeard Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Trading down to take a CB when you could have selected a franchise ANYTHING says foundation-builder to me....Timing is consideration... If there was ever a time to tank-out for a rookie HC/GM combo, it would be NOW... They'd look like geniuses if it worked out... So, for what it's worth I don't buy the tanking line of thought, because I think that outside of extreme situations where a team really and truly needs to start over -- would tanking even be part of the conversation. But to your point, I can see the wisdom behind a new HC/GM starting over, and to a certain extent I think they are, but without purging a bunch of old assets then using the next 2-3 years only to try to obtain new assets. This very thing appears to be happening with the Jets right now. I believe that the last coaching regime was so flawed that it's probably hard to point fingers at a bunch of guys and get rid of them at a knee jerk. Of course, if the Bills go well under .500 this year, then I would not be surprised to see a ton of changes.
Rocky Landing Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Who was the last Bill nicknamed Tank? I can't remember.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Who was the last Bill nicknamed Tank? I can't remember. Carder.
Rocky Landing Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Carder. That's right. He's with Cleveland now. Let's talk about him instead...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Nope. TT, while limited, was still the best option and led an offense which was good enough to get into the playoffs, if the defense had done it's job. those lines always kills me. the best option option A - putting on a sneaker with a scorpion inside option B - putting on a sneaker with a black widow spider inside Which is the best option? Whether it is from TT or someone else, we need better. It's been mentioned numerous times at least 3 playoff teams had equally as bad or worse defenses than the Bills. As to the OP. Tanking is for losers.
#34fan Posted June 28, 2017 Author Posted June 28, 2017 As to the OP. Tanking is for losers. Would you say we're winners at this point in time? I know exactly who, and what tanking is for, and believe me we fit the bill... You want your Andrew Luck, or Marcus Mariota? You want a stud DT like Bama's Da'ron Payne to replace KW? -Well here's what you gotta do... I'll quote the Pegulas new campaign "It starts with ONE" (tanked season) -No victory without sacrifice, my friend.
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 I have absolutely no doubt this team is going 7-9, no doubt at all. Jets, Browns and Niners will get the top 3 qbs so I hope the Bills don't pick the 4th best just because they had to again. I would rather wait 1 more year when Kyle, Shady and Sammy are all gone. It sucks as this was the year to do it but oh well, such is the life of a Bills fan.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Would you say we're winners at this point in time? I know exactly who, and what tanking is for, and believe me we fit the bill... You want your Andrew Luck, or Marcus Mariota? You want a stud DT like Bama's Da'ron Payne to replace KW? -Well here's what you gotta do... I'll quote the Pegulas new campaign "It starts with ONE" (tanked season) -No victory without sacrifice, my friend. Big Ben was drafted with the 11 pick in 2004, Aaron Rodgers was drafted with the 24th pick in 2005, JJ Watt was drafted with the 11 pick in 2011.....etc...etc...etc. The need to tank in order to get great players is a fallacy.
#34fan Posted June 28, 2017 Author Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Big Ben was drafted with the 11 pick in 2004, Aaron Rodgers was drafted with the 24th pick in 2005, JJ Watt was drafted with the 11 pick in 2011.....etc...etc...etc. The need to tank in order to get great players is a fallacy. Horrible examples... -GB had a superbowl-winning franchise QB in place.... Both HOU and PIT endured 6-win (tank-ish) seasons before striking gold with the picks you cited. Tanking is a means to an end... Still, it's gotta be done right... Four wins or less... Any more than that and you haven't gone "all-in" on your tank Edited June 28, 2017 by #34fan
26CornerBlitz Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Horrible examples... -GB had a superbowl-winning franchise QB in place.... Both HOU and PIT endured 6-win (tank-ish) seasons before striking gold with the picks you cited. Tanking is a means to an end... Still, it's gotta be done right... Four wins or less... Any more than that and you haven't gone "all-in" on your tank Fallacy. Point to one example of an NFL willfully tanking with subsequent sustained success or Super Bowl Championships. Edited June 28, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Would you say we're winners at this point in time? I know exactly who, and what tanking is for, and believe me we fit the bill... You want your Andrew Luck, or Marcus Mariota? You want a stud DT like Bama's Da'ron Payne to replace KW? -Well here's what you gotta do... I'll quote the Pegulas new campaign "It starts with ONE" (tanked season) -No victory without sacrifice, my friend. So far what has Suck for Luck gotten Indy? As for Mariota though its only been 2 seasons and way too early to say how much the team had to sacrifice. Leave the tanking to the Browns and Jets. You want a stud DT? Actually, I'd rather have a godsend for a QB. Edited June 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
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