8-8 Forever? Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) If they were tanking they wouldn't have brought back Tyrod. Unfortunately what we are doing is worse. We are shooting for mediocrity. We are in the same place we have been for 20 years: Hoping beyond hope we MAYBE make a wild card if we have a miracle season and all of the cards fall right. The Bills are a case study for how not to run a franchise. If you are bad then be bad and get good draft picks and rebuild. If you are good then go for the Super Bowl. There should be no in between. Living in the in between is why we have been so bad for so many years. they're not good enough to go to the playoffs, but tanking is not acceptable either. so , yes, they have to do the best they can as a group, which means, in the absence of a top10 QB, on paper seems to point at mediocrity. just the way it is . the Bills need to draft extremely well to be successful. lets hope they find 3-4 starters out of this class and they can trade up far enough to get a QB starter next year. Its at least an approach. This thing probably isn't turning around anytime soon with the GOATs in Foxboro. starting the season 0-2 in both the division and the conference never bodes well for playoffs. seems like that scenario will play out yet again this year. Edited June 26, 2017 by jmcraig44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) they're not good enough to go to the playoffs You're stating that as a fact? They were in the mix for the playoffs last year with a historically incompetent HC and had a street free agent at WR1 part of the year due to injuries. They add a healthy Lawson, Ragland, get a healthy Sammy back in his contract year, and add what look to be three nice pieces in the draft...but you state unequivocally that they are "not good enough to make the playoffs" (i.e., go 9-7 or 10-6)? Why do you even bother? starting the season 0-2 in both the division and the conference never bodes well for playoffs. seems like that scenario will play out yet again this year. What? Have you even bothered to look at the schedule? The Bills will probably be 6 point favorites v the Jets at home to open the season. Carolina isn't in the Bills' conference, much less their division, and they stunk last year. Edited June 26, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 starting the season 0-2 in both the division and the conference never bodes well for playoffs. seems like that scenario will play out yet again this year. Does it? Cos I thought we didn't play the Patriots until week 13?? We start in the Division: Jets at home; Jets on the road And in the conference: Jets at home; Denver at home Think it is far more likely we "start" 2-0 in both rather than 0-2. I think we are better worrying about the Patriots in weeks 13 and 16 don't you? Play the schedule out. We might be done anyway by then, we might be in the mix.... but we don't start by counting games that we can do nothing about for a minimum of 12 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wgr talking about it now. Better chance to make the playoffs than hit bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wgr talking about it now. Better chance to make the playoffs than hit bottom Agree. I don't think we will do either. I'd put the over/under at 7 wins again.... I'd be shocked if this team won fewer than 5, surprised if it won fewer than 6 and surprised if it won more than 9 shocked if it won more than 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wgr talking about it now. Better chance to make the playoffs than hit bottom They have a twitter poll asking the whether the Bills are more likely to play in the Super Bowl or finish last: https://twitter.com/WGR550/status/879317823805325313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 You're stating that as a fact? They were in the mix for the playoffs last year with a historically incompetent HC and had a street free agent at WR1 part of the year due to injuries. They add a healthy Lawson, Ragland, get a healthy Sammy back in his contract year, and add what look to be three nice pieces in the draft...but you state unequivocally that they are "not good enough to make the playoffs" (i.e., go 9-7 or 10-6)? Why do you even bother? What? Have you even bothered to look at the schedule? The Bills will probably be 6 point favorites v the Jets at home to open the season. Carolina isn't in the Bills' conference, much less their division, and they stunk last year. haha, we are always "IN THE MIX" that should be our slogan from the last 20 yrs. the Buffalo Bills...we aren't very good but at least we are IN THE MIX. being in the mix is why we haven't been able to rebuild correctly. the Colts hit rock bottom and got Peyton Manning and then did it again and got Andrew Luck. our GM and coach were there when the Panthers did it and ended up with Cam Newton. we have never hit bottom which is why we have nobody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Agree. I don't think we will do either. I'd put the over/under at 7 wins again.... I'd be shocked if this team won fewer than 5, surprised if it won fewer than 6 and surprised if it won more than 9 shocked if it won more than 10. this is pretty much where i'm at with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 they're not good enough to go to the playoffs, but tanking is not acceptable either. so , yes, they have to do the best they can as a group, which means, in the absence of a top10 QB, on paper seems to point at mediocrity. just the way it is . the Bills need to draft extremely well to be successful. lets hope they find 3-4 starters out of this class and they can trade up far enough to get a QB starter next year. Its at least an approach. This thing probably isn't turning around anytime soon with the GOATs in Foxboro. starting the season 0-2 in both the division and the conference never bodes well for playoffs. seems like that scenario will play out yet again this year. Are there teams that don't have to draft well to be successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If they were tanking they wouldn't have brought back Tyrod. Unfortunately what we are doing is worse. We are shooting for mediocrity. We are in the same place we have been for 20 years: Hoping beyond hope we MAYBE make a wild card if we have a miracle season and all of the cards fall right. The Bills are a case study for how not to run a franchise. If you are bad then be bad and get good draft picks and rebuild. If you are good then go for the Super Bowl. There should be no in between. Living in the in between is why we have been so bad for so many years. And that is exactly why this season is the one I have looked forward to the least in the last 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Bottom this year is between cleveland, SF probably, and the NYJ. I throw the Rams in there too - new coach and still a lousy offense. With injuries and if we lose tons of close games - 5-11/6-10 is probably worst case scenario. Only chance we finish close to the bottom is a tyrod injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 haha, we are always "IN THE MIX" that should be our slogan from the last 20 yrs. the Buffalo Bills...we aren't very good but at least we are IN THE MIX. being in the mix is why we haven't been able to rebuild correctly. the Colts hit rock bottom and got Peyton Manning and then did it again and got Andrew Luck. our GM and coach were there when the Panthers did it and ended up with Cam Newton. we have never hit bottom which is why we have nobody Not responsive to my post, but whatever. The idea that you have to bottom out out to succeed in the NFL is utter nonsense. The Pats, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks,etc haven't succeeded that way. The Colts are the only team that has ever landed a franchise QB by tanking, and so far the results are underwhelming. Finally, picking in the top 3 guarantees you nothing, in any event. The last time the Bills did it, they failed to come away with a franchise-changing talent, even though there were plenty of those available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Only chance we finish close to the bottom is a tyrod injury I think Tyrod and McCoy would have to both go down for us to end worse than 5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 haha, we are always "IN THE MIX" that should be our slogan from the last 20 yrs. the Buffalo Bills...we aren't very good but at least we are IN THE MIX. being in the mix is why we haven't been able to rebuild correctly. the Colts hit rock bottom and got Peyton Manning and then did it again and got Andrew Luck. our GM and coach were there when the Panthers did it and ended up with Cam Newton. we have never hit bottom which is why we have nobody To directly refute the point, Derek Carr and Russell Wilson were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Agree. I don't think we will do either. I'd put the over/under at 7 wins again.... I'd be shocked if this team won fewer than 5, surprised if it won fewer than 6 and surprised if it won more than 9 shocked if it won more than 10. agree. i'm right at the 7 win mark. If we have a couple key injuries we win less than 5 games. If the key guys stay healthy and we get some really good coaching I could see 10 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 To directly refute the point, Derek Carr and Russell Wilson were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round respectively. and are a lower caliber player than Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck imo. those guys were complete luck. Manning and Luck were sure things. we are only going to win 6 games this year. what's the difference between winning 3 and winning 6 if it gets you one of the 2 best QB's in the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 and are a lower caliber player than Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck imo. those guys were complete luck. Manning and Luck were sure things. we are only going to win 6 games this year. what's the difference between winning 3 and winning 6 if it gets you one of the 2 best QB's in the draft? If they are 2-6 after 8 games I will want them to stop pretending the season is recoverable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 and are a lower caliber player than Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck imo. those guys were complete luck. Manning and Luck were sure things. we are only going to win 6 games this year. what's the difference between winning 3 and winning 6 if it gets you one of the 2 best QB's in the draft? We are? We'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If they are 2-6 after 8 games I will want them to stop pretending the season is recoverable. I agree with this. I would want them to put one of the young qbs out there to see what we've got. But to state unequivocally, before a single game is played, that they can't make the playoffs or they can't win more than 6 games, and they should therefore tank, is asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I agree with this. I would want them to put one of the young qbs out there to see what we've got. But to state unequivocally, before a single game is played, that they can't make the playoffs or they can't win more than 6 games, and they should therefore tank, is asinine. Can't see them throwing in the towel at mid-season. Giving a young guy a shot in the last couple of games is more of the norm if a team is no longer "in the hunt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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