John Gianelli Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 An Emory University study. Wait, the Patriots fans are 2nd? The Chiefs fans are last??? https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2017/06/17/nfl-fan-base-and-brand-rankings-2017/
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 For now maybe. How "good" were the Pats fans when they were cellar dwellers?
dwight in philly Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) mindless drivel IMHO, having the Chiefs rank near the bottom in all their bull s**^t criteria, Pats fans ranked high, says it all about that "study" Edited June 22, 2017 by dwight in philly
Ennjay Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 These conclusions are absurd on so many levels. Flawed methodology, flawed assumptions. I know from personal experience (having lived there) that Patriot fans are bandwagoners. Boston has too many distractions. If, in 5 years, the Celtics and Bruins are killing it and the post-B&B Patriots are bad, the traffic jams out to Foxboro will be a thing of the past. Who rationally believes Dolphin fans are in the top half of the league??? They're notorious for coming late (if they come at all), leaving early, and blowing off games. Who rationally believes Viking fans or KC fans are in the bottom half of the league??? What does "Road Equity" have to do with a home fan base? Is KC penalized because locals don't fly out to Oakland or SD/LA? Or because Oakland has a smaller stadium and SD/LA has its own problems drawing? The Bills actually benefit from "Road Equity" because they play every year @ Jets and @ Pats, two large markets that sell out. The sellouts have nothing to do with the Bills being the visitor. Bad as the Browns are, they don't have great loyal fans??? Where is the metric for supporting a team that loses, which may be a better measure of fan loyalty.
hondo in seattle Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 While the methodology isn't clearly explained, it's clearly crap. Back in the 90s, when the Ralph held 80,000, all the seats would be sold out and there'd be another 10,000 or 20,000 fans in the parking lot. The overall total would approach 100,000 people, nearly 10% of the metro population of Buffalo. Few other NFL cities will bring anything close to 10% to the stadium. Ever. Even now, the Bills do well in attendance despite giving their fans a 17 year playoff drought and a lifetime win record of something like .471. I went to a 49ers game back when Young & Rice were still together and the place was packed - with ambivalent fans who got free corporate tickets and barely cheered when the 49ers scored. How do you measure that? I went to another 49 game years later when they sucked and that game was not sold out and by the 4th quarter we Bills fans were louder than the home crowd. And we weren't good that year either. How do you measure stuff like this? As someone who has lived in different cities, it's interesting to note how many dislocated fans I find. In any major American city, for example, it's easy to find rabidly loyal Steelers, Raiders, Browns, Bills and Packer fans. Pick a random sports bar and you'll see them wearing their jerseys. That gives me a sense of which fans are the most enthusiastic and my list certainly doesn't match the Emory list.
Original Byrd Man Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 For now maybe. How "good" were the Pats fans when they were cellar dwellers? Yeah totally! Before this era they were one of the worst. Bill's, Packers, Chiefs, Raiders have been well supported by their fans base even through the bad years.
Rocky Landing Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 I remember a similar study several years ago. I don't remember the university, or where we ranked, but I do remember a similar smell of bullish*t.
Iron Maiden Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) This. Their streak of sell out started in 1993 when Kraft bought to team...with a young Bledsoe.....Brady didn't play until 2001....Still, doesn't make them better fans.....it's easy to have full stadiums and lots of " social media " followers when you are the best team for 16 years....plus,Boston has a lot more $ than other parts of the country....they can afford expensive ticket prices.... Edited June 22, 2017 by Iron Maiden
Roundybout Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 The Pats stadium was half full before Brady. I always thought that Pats fans were Cowboys fans in the 90s before they tanked.
Guest NeckBeard Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 I always thought that Pats fans were Cowboys fans in the 90s before they tanked. I am not sure that the Pats tanked in as much as they were really and truly just that bad. Remember when the Remington Shaver guy owned that team? Then there was the churn with the Sullivan family running out of money, and then that short-lived owner taking over, and they almost moved to St. Louis. That team had nothing, and it changed ownership a bunch of times in a decade or so before Kraft finally went for the gusto and bought them. Tanking to me is a conscious decision: to lose, presumably to find a pot of gold somewhere. Given what happened with the Pats, it seemed like a completely aimless organization for a very long time, perhaps even worse than the Bills during the past 17.
simpleman Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) You have to read the full article. It is done for the NFL owners. To them, the best fans means the best fans that give a return on their investment. Some of the categories used to rate the best fans. 1.) Fans most willing to buy the type of things available online and the team stores that generate the NFL royalty dollars. 2.) Teams that generate the most revenue for a team when they are a visiting team. 3.) Ticket sales and TV viewer ratings of NFL games at home. 4.) How supportive they are online over the course of the study dates. Of course the Pats have been consistent winners, so the fans are more supportive of a consistently winning team as opposed to a perpetual losing team like the Bills. This study rates a team's fans by how many dollars the NFL gets from them. It is not about true fandom, or football as a sport. It is about the economic impacts to the NFL owners. Edited June 22, 2017 by simpleman
Iron Maiden Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 You have to read the full article. It is done for the NFL owners. To them, the best fans means the best fans that give a return on their investment. Some of the categories used to rate the best fans. 1.) Fans most willing to buy the type of things available online and the team stores that generate the NFL royalty dollars. 2.) Teams that generate the most revenue for a team when they are a visiting team. 3.) Ticket sales and TV viewer ratings of NFL games at home. 4.) How supportive they are online over the course of the study dates. Of course the Pats have been consistent winners, so the fans are more supportive of a consistently winning team as opposed to a perpetual losing team like the Bills. This study rates a team's fans by how many dollars the NFL gets from them. It is not about true fandom, or football as a sport. it is about the economic impacts to the NFL owners. This is spot on
May Day 10 Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 Whenever anyone tries to quantify fan-studies, it ALWAYS gives a giant boost to large-markets as well as teams who are currently good
CodeMonkey Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 For now maybe. How "good" were the Pats fans when they were cellar dwellers? The Pats stadium was half full before Brady. You seem to think that is a bad thing. If you suck as a team, why should you expect fans to pay all that money to see you play.
swimtoga Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 LOL a fan base that holds the record for consecutive blackouts at 17 games (over 2 full seasons of football without selling out a game) is the 2nd best fan base. The NFL made that organization, hence a remarkably unremarkable QB is in the discussion for GOAT.
zonabb Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 remarkably unremarkable QB is in the discussion for GOAT. And you're a moron. Jesus, lots of blindly loyal Bills fans who hate the guy for singlehandedly destroying this team twice annually but "remarkably unremarkable" takes the award for biggest homer crybaby ever. He joins other remarkable unremarkable QBs as a top QB in completions (5,244), passing yards (61,582), passing touchdowns (456), passer rating (97.2), fourth-quarter comebacks (38) and game-winning drives (49). He also is remarkably unremarkable as the all-time postseason leader in completions (788), passing yards (8,628), passing touchdowns (61), fourth-quarter comebacks (six) and game-winning drives (nine). His post season win total of 24 is 8 more than second place Joe Montana. If Jim Kelly had half this stat chart, people here would argue he's the GOAT... counting the non-stats stuff they prize so much when the stats aren't there, you know cuz he's tough, loves Buffalo, partied back in the day like Bills Mafia, has battled personal tragedies, etc.... Man, just dumbfounded.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 You seem to think that is a bad thing. If you suck as a team, why should you expect fans to pay all that money to see you play. Good fans support their team through good and bad. As I recall the Bills fans have filled the stadium to near capacity Sept through late Nov.
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