Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 We are talking about an offense that attempted the fewest passes in the league because the rushing attack was the most efficient in the league vs. a Defense that allowed 3 200+ yard rushers, right? Don't know if you're a fan of DVOA or not, but: Rushing O: 1st Passing O: 19th Rush D: 30th Pass D: 21st Defense was 28th DVOA altogether. They were an abomination. I do pin most of it on the Ryan brothers though.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 There was only 3 minutes left after that sack. running the ball and kicking the FG makes the game pretty much out of reach. this was the big topic all week. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/02/super_bowl_2017_patriots_falcons_crazy_finish_poli.html "They had Super Bowl LI in their grasp, the ball deep in New England territory with the clock on their side late in the fourth quarter. They were an easy field goal away from a two-score lead that almost certainly, even with Tom Brady on the other side of the field, would have been enough to win this game." What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year. Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win. Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game. Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win. I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas....
Dorkington Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) I haven't read the whole thing. But I wanted to say, based on certain numbers, I don't really blame Tyrod/run-pass balance for missing the playoffs. Team Pass play pct Baltimore 65.99% Green Bay 64.68% Detroit 64.60% Cleveland 64.39% New Orleans 63.44% Arizona 63.26% Jacksonville 62.74% Washington 62.44% Minnesota 62.23% NY Giants 61.61% Los Angeles 60.94% San Diego 60.75% Chicago 60.70% Indianapolis 60.56% Denver 59.80% Philadelphia 59.44% Seattle 59.37% Oakland 59.27% Kansas City 59.00% Pittsburgh 58.94% NY Jets 58.33% Atlanta 57.73% Cincinnati 57.52% Tampa Bay 57.50% Carolina 56.94% Houston 56.63% New England 56.41% Miami 56.21% San Francisco 54.02% Tennessee 52.78% Buffalo 51.38% Dallas 51.30% There's not really a whole lot of correlation between pass play percentage and getting to the playoffs, at least looking at last year. I've made a couple posts on Tyrod's efficiency compared to other QBs before, here's a copy paste from one of them: Completion percentage:2016: Tyrod 61.7% - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behindCareer: Tyrod 62.6% - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behindTD percentage:2016: Tyrod 3.9% - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behindCareer: Tyrod 4.5% - 7 Playoff QBs ahead/5 Playoff QBs behindINT percentage:2016: Tyrod 1.4% - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behindCareer: Tyrod 1.5% - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behindYards per game:2016: Tyrod 201.5 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behindCareer: Tyrod 208.9 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behindNet Yards/Attempt:2016: Tyrod 5.92 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behindCareer: Tyrod 6.32 - 10 Playoff QBs ahead/2 Playoff QBs behindAdjusted Net Yards/Attempt (takes into account TDs/INTs):2016: Tyrod 6.07 - 10 Playoff QBs ahead/2 Playoff QBs behindCareer: Tyrod 6.55 - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behindQB Rating:2016: Tyrod 89.7 - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behindCareer: Tyrod 94.2 - 6 Playoff QBs ahead/6 Playoff QBs behindESPN QBR2016: Tyrod 68.2 - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behindCareer: Tyrod ~68 - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behind And because the above doesn't take into account rushing ability: Name Tm Pos Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Colin Kaepernick SFO QB 69 468 2 30 6.8 39.0 5.8 Tyrod Taylor BUF QB 95 580 6 49 6.1 38.7 6.3 Cam Newton CAR QB 90 359 5 28 4.0 23.9 6.0 Marcus Mariota TEN QB 60 349 2 41 5.8 23.3 4.0 Aaron Rodgers* GNB QB 67 369 4 23 5.5 23.1 4.2 Andrew Luck IND QB 64 341 2 33 5.3 22.7 4.3 Blake Bortles JAX QB 58 359 3 27 6.2 22.4 3.6 Dak Prescott* DAL QB 57 282 6 18 4.9 17.6 3.6 Russell Wilson SEA QB 72 259 1 18 3.6 16.2 4.5 Matthew Stafford DET QB 37 207 2 24 5.6 12.9 2.3 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 39 164 1 18 4.2 12.6 3.0 Andy Dalton* CIN QB 46 184 4 15 4.0 11.5 2.9 Jameis Winston TAM QB 53 165 1 14 3.1 10.3 3.3 Carson Wentz PHI QB 46 150 2 17 3.3 9.4 2.9 Ryan Fitzpatrick NYJ QB 33 130 0 14 3.9 9.3 2.4 Alex Smith* KAN QB 48 134 5 24 2.8 8.9 3.2 Brock Osweiler HOU QB 30 131 2 21 4.4 8.7 2.0 Matt Ryan*+ ATL QB 35 117 0 18 3.3 7.3 2.2 Kirk Cousins* WAS QB 34 96 4 19 2.8 6.0 2.1 Tom Brady* NWE QB 28 64 0 15 2.3 5.3 2.3 Case Keenum LAR QB 20 51 1 13 2.6 5.1 2.0 Derek Carr* OAK QB 39 70 0 13 1.8 4.7 2.6 Trevor Siemian DEN QB 28 57 0 14 2.0 4.1 2.0 Joe Flacco BAL QB 21 58 2 16 2.8 3.6 1.3 Sam Bradford MIN QB 20 53 0 24 2.7 3.5 1.3 Carson Palmer ARI QB 14 38 0 16 2.7 2.5 0.9 Philip Rivers* SDG QB 14 35 0 10 2.5 2.2 0.9 Cody Kessler CLE QB 11 18 0 8 1.6 2.0 1.2 Drew Brees* NOR QB 23 20 2 7 0.9 1.3 1.4 Ben Roethlisberger* PIT QB 16 14 1 14 0.9 1.0 1.1 Eli Manning NYG QB 21 -9 0 6 -0.4 -0.6 1.3 My conclusion now, as it was then, is that Tyrod is definitely good enough to take a team to the playoffs. Is he elite? Hell no. But he isn't holding the team back either. Simply put, yes the offense and Tyrod *could* be better, but the offense is not what kept us out of the playoffs last year. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the bottom third level defense. Edited June 30, 2017 by Dorkington
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year. Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win. Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game. Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win. I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas.... What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching. I haven't read the whole thing. But I wanted to say, based on certain numbers, I don't really blame Tyrod/run-pass balance for missing the playoffs. Team Pass play pct Baltimore 65.99% Green Bay 64.68% Detroit 64.60% Cleveland 64.39% New Orleans 63.44% Arizona 63.26% Jacksonville 62.74% Washington 62.44% Minnesota 62.23% NY Giants 61.61% Los Angeles 60.94% San Diego 60.75% Chicago 60.70% Indianapolis 60.56% Denver 59.80% Philadelphia 59.44% Seattle 59.37% Oakland 59.27% Kansas City 59.00% Pittsburgh 58.94% NY Jets 58.33% Atlanta 57.73% Cincinnati 57.52% Tampa Bay 57.50% Carolina 56.94% Houston 56.63% New England 56.41% Miami 56.21% San Francisco 54.02% Tennessee 52.78% Buffalo 51.38% Dallas 51.30% There's not really a whole lot of correlation between pass play percentage and getting to the playoffs, at least looking at last year. I've made a couple posts on Tyrod's efficiency compared to other QBs before, here's a copy paste from one of them: And because the above doesn't take into account rushing ability: Name Tm Pos Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Colin Kaepernick SFO QB 69 468 2 30 6.8 39.0 5.8 Tyrod Taylor BUF QB 95 580 6 49 6.1 38.7 6.3 Cam Newton CAR QB 90 359 5 28 4.0 23.9 6.0 Marcus Mariota TEN QB 60 349 2 41 5.8 23.3 4.0 Aaron Rodgers* GNB QB 67 369 4 23 5.5 23.1 4.2 Andrew Luck IND QB 64 341 2 33 5.3 22.7 4.3 Blake Bortles JAX QB 58 359 3 27 6.2 22.4 3.6 Dak Prescott* DAL QB 57 282 6 18 4.9 17.6 3.6 Russell Wilson SEA QB 72 259 1 18 3.6 16.2 4.5 Matthew Stafford DET QB 37 207 2 24 5.6 12.9 2.3 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 39 164 1 18 4.2 12.6 3.0 Andy Dalton* CIN QB 46 184 4 15 4.0 11.5 2.9 Jameis Winston TAM QB 53 165 1 14 3.1 10.3 3.3 Carson Wentz PHI QB 46 150 2 17 3.3 9.4 2.9 Ryan Fitzpatrick NYJ QB 33 130 0 14 3.9 9.3 2.4 Alex Smith* KAN QB 48 134 5 24 2.8 8.9 3.2 Brock Osweiler HOU QB 30 131 2 21 4.4 8.7 2.0 Matt Ryan*+ ATL QB 35 117 0 18 3.3 7.3 2.2 Kirk Cousins* WAS QB 34 96 4 19 2.8 6.0 2.1 Tom Brady* NWE QB 28 64 0 15 2.3 5.3 2.3 Case Keenum LAR QB 20 51 1 13 2.6 5.1 2.0 Derek Carr* OAK QB 39 70 0 13 1.8 4.7 2.6 Trevor Siemian DEN QB 28 57 0 14 2.0 4.1 2.0 Joe Flacco BAL QB 21 58 2 16 2.8 3.6 1.3 Sam Bradford MIN QB 20 53 0 24 2.7 3.5 1.3 Carson Palmer ARI QB 14 38 0 16 2.7 2.5 0.9 Philip Rivers* SDG QB 14 35 0 10 2.5 2.2 0.9 Cody Kessler CLE QB 11 18 0 8 1.6 2.0 1.2 Drew Brees* NOR QB 23 20 2 7 0.9 1.3 1.4 Ben Roethlisberger* PIT QB 16 14 1 14 0.9 1.0 1.1 Eli Manning NYG QB 21 -9 0 6 -0.4 -0.6 1.3 My conclusion now, as it was then, is that Tyrod is definitely good enough to take a team to the playoffs. Is he elite? Hell no. But he isn't holding the team back either. Simply put, yes the offense and Tyrod *could* be better, but the offense is not what kept us out of the playoffs last year. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the bottom third level defense. Good post. Good positive proof for Tyrod here. It's what I have been saying all along-the QB is not why the Bills did not make the playoffs in 2016. What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year. Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win. Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game. Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win. I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas.... I think this lashing out post, is a microcosm of an agenda itself.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching. I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it. Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions. http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/ You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3. You're not acknowledging at all the other issues. It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter. And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over. Edited June 30, 2017 by Teeflebees
Dorkington Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching. Good post. Good positive proof for Tyrod here. It's what I have been saying all along-the QB is not why the Bills did not make the playoffs in 2016. I think this lashing out post, is a microcosm of an agenda itself. He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod.
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it. Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions. http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/ You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3. You're not acknowledging at all the other issues. It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter. And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over. Check out post 446. And yeah, games on the line, Atlanta blew it not running the ball. Game on the line, the defense/St blew it He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod. My friend you are making too much sense for some on this board. I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it. Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions. http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/ You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3. You're not acknowledging at all the other issues. It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter. And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over. And what about the posters I'm responding too that repeat the same things over and over and over and over again. You have no problem with them, do you?
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) Check out post 446. And yeah, games on the line, Atlanta blew it not running the ball. Game on the line, the defense/St blew it Okay JM. Football isn't a 60 minute game....you're right. Falcons give up 34....not the defenses fault. Bills give up 34....it's the defenses fault. Bills don't score anything in the 2nd half and have multiple turnovers and punts. It's the defenses fault. Edited June 30, 2017 by Teeflebees
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod.I like the way that Tasker put it. "You can win with him but you don't win because of him." There are a bunch of QBs like that.
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Okay JM. Football isn't a 60 minute game....you're right. Falcons give up 34....not the defenses fault. Bills give up 34....it's the defenses fault. Bills don't score anything in the 2nd half and have multiple turnovers and punts. It's the defenses fault. Game on the line. Check out post 446.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year. I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas.... Coffee meet keyboard. Anyone who watched with an unbiased eye would say the same. Some just like to bash Tyrod because he's not a conventional QB. The guy makes plays (a lot with his legs and the deep ball) and doesn't turn the ball over. Hes in the area of an Alex Smith, but I'd say slightly better. How is starting that TT needs to improve his passing game late in games bashing him? Alternative Facts. With a 2 score lead you run the ball to eat up the clock barring you don't go 3 and out. When training we need a QB than can pass the ball to all receivers and not just one guy who is most likely covered.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Game on the line. Check out post 446 LOL okay. The game wasn't on the line when the Pats drove down the field twice, scored 2 TD's and converted both 2 point conversions? Being that they were down by 16...the Falcons defense could have just stopped one 2 point conversion and the game would be over. Not to mention the game was on the line in OT and the Pats just marched downfield in under 4 minutes to score the game winning TD. Nope JM....those don't count. The Falcons defense wasn't the issue in the Super Bowl. Lets see if you can do this....I really want to see if you can. With the Bills up 24-9 at halftime against the Raiders, should the defense have been able to hold that lead and win? With the Falcons up 28-3 with just a little over 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, should the defense have been able to hold that lead? These are yes and no questions....that's it. You can't answer any other way because that's how yes and no works. Please answer both questions.
John from Riverside Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Coffee meet keyboard. How is starting that TT needs to improve his passing game late in games bashing him? Alternative Facts. With a 2 score lead you run the ball to eat up the clock barring you don't go 3 and out. When training we need a QB than can pass the ball to all receivers and not just one guy who is most likely covered. As a long time COT member I do agree with Shady here While we strive to defend a QB that is frankly worth defending lets not act like he does not have his warts He has them......they are mixed in with a lot of good.....lets hope he can improve in those areas
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Coffee meet keyboard. For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl. They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack.
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 LOL okay. The game wasn't on the line when the Pats drove down the field twice, scored 2 TD's and converted both 2 point conversions? Being that they were down by 16...the Falcons defense could have just stopped one 2 point conversion and the game would be over. Not to mention the game was on the line in OT and the Pats just marched downfield in under 4 minutes to score the game winning TD. Nope JM....those don't count. The Falcons defense wasn't the issue in the Super Bowl. Lets see if you can do this....I really want to see if you can. With the Bills up 24-9 at halftime against the Raiders, should the defense have been able to hold that lead and win? With the Falcons up 28-3 with just a little over 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, should the defense have been able to hold that lead? These are yes and no questions....that's it. You can't answer any other way because that's how yes and no works. Please answer both questions. yes. but that has nothing to do with the game on the line. Every NFL game is different. That Miami game and Atlanta SB had the game on the line and one unit failed in the end to cost victory with the game on the line. The offense in the raider game fell apart itself in the fourth, but the defense against good teams gave up a lot of points, which was an ongoing theme in 2016. The main problem for Buffalo throughout Ryan's tenure was the defense. Notice how I say main, not the only. And check out post 446. eye opening for you. For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl. They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack. And no time in that game did I not think that Tom Brady would not have some type of comeback. he does against every NFL defense, good or bad. That is why he is the GOAT, I hate to say. I think Shady should also check out post 446. Probably did, won't comment on it though. no surprise.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl. They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack. I know that. I've commented on this many times. He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it. But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 yes. but that has nothing to do with the game on the line. Every NFL game is different. That Miami game and Atlanta SB had the game on the line and one unit failed in the end to cost victory with the game on the line. The offense in the raider game fell apart itself in the fourth, but the defense against good teams gave up a lot of points, which was an ongoing theme in 2016. The main problem for Buffalo throughout Ryan's tenure was the defense. Notice how I say main, not the only. And check out post 446. eye opening for you. You couldn't do it. It was just a yes or no. So one unit failed in the end in the Super Bowl? You're really saying the Falcons unit didn't fail? You're saying that 31 points in 17 minutes isn't a failure? You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop the Pats on their last 5 drives wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over. You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop any of the 2 point conversions at the end wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over. I am simply astonished how you're saying only one unit failed the Falcons. Like literally jaw dropping. I've read 446, it's not relevant to this specific discussion about this specific game and it's also another opinion. You simply cannot handle if anyone has a different opinion than you. Your parade to always be right is excessive. I also don't think you know the difference between subjective and objective.
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I know that. I've commented on this many times. He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it. But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down. You're on my ignore list also by the way, but i still check now and then the nonsense you post and what you avoid. How about post 446. You haven't commented on that one.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I know that. I've commented on this many times. He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it. But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down. He's literally saying the offense is the reason the Falcons lost the Super Bowl. It's incredibly mind boggling. You're on my ignore list also by the way, but i still check now and then the nonsense you post and what you avoid. How about post 446. You haven't commented on that one. Not trying to be too critical because we've "known" each other for awhile but seriously JM.....you've really been posting nonsense in this thread. 446 is an opinion, it's not objective.
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 You couldn't do it. It was just a yes or no. So one unit failed in the end in the Super Bowl? You're really saying the Falcons unit didn't fail? You're saying that 31 points in 17 minutes isn't a failure? You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop the Pats on their last 5 drives wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over. You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop any of the 2 point conversions at the end wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over. I am simply astonished how you're saying only one unit failed the Falcons. Like literally jaw dropping. I've read 446, it's not relevant to this specific discussion about this specific game and it's also another opinion. You simply cannot handle if anyone has a different opinion than you. Your parade to always be right is excessive. I also don't think you know the difference between subjective and objective. I said yes. can't you read? post 446 is just an opinion? lol One unit in each of those games when it was on the line-can't you read, again?
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