HappyDays Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-hc-mcdermott-impressed-with-tyrod-taylors-leadership/ Taylors passer rating in 2016 when under pressure of 80.1 was seventh best among qualifying quarterbacks, while his 10 touchdowns thrown in those circumstances was tied for third.And anyone wondering who the 2 QBs ahead of him are, it's Aaron Rodgers with 12 TDs and Andrew Luck with 11. Russell Wilson also threw 10 TDs under pressure. New thread incoming: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016 Lots to digest here in conjunction with the sack study from yesterday. Putting it together now.
Maury Ballstein Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) post 226 is very interesting. Too bad you skipped it.I didn't skip anything, i watched him poop his pants vs the Ravens, Steelers, Raiders, Bengals, Patriots and Dolphins. Guess my memory is better than yours. We don't have to agree, you obviously want to give him more chances while I don't ever want to see another Steelers/Raiders/Pats w Brady game again. (My man can't even pass for 200 yards while getting blown out? Gross!) Don't quote me. I'm out of this subject. You can't convert me lol. Edited June 20, 2017 by Maury Ballstein
aristocrat Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 If you aren't interested in the "if" game, why are you here? That's literally all there is to discuss in the offseason, whether it's past or future "ifs." And if you're so tired of seeing a dead horse beaten, do yourself a favor and just ignore the conversations Do me a favor and never ever ever ever offer me any advice again. I don't care about your love affair with all things Taylor. it's a passing league. We need a qb, sorry this offends you. The horse is all yours, I'm out. Fanboys gonna Fanboy. The funny thing is none of us have a love affair with him....we have a love affair of wanting our defense to be top five like under Schwartz again. You mistakingly interpret that for some reason. You ignore how bad the defense was last year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Maury Ballstein Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 The funny thing is none of us have a love affair with him....we have a love affair of wanting our defense to be top five like under Schwartz again. You mistakingly interpret that for some reason. You ignore how bad the defense was last year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I see you haven't met Transplant and Jm yet. They love Taylor more than I love Scarjo and Hathaway.
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I see you haven't met Transplant and Jm yet. They love Taylor more than I love Scarjo and Hathaway. TT is the best QB the Bills have had this century. He is never going to be elite or HOF status, but he was not expected to be. He is far from terrible, which posters like you try to make him by being deliberate in what you chose to ignore. He is good enough till a better option comes along. Once again, 15-14, 47 TDs and 15 turnovers with over 1000 yards rushing is not terrible.
aristocrat Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 The funny thing is none of us have a love affair with him....we have a love affair of wanting our defense to be top five like under Schwartz again. You mistakingly interpret that for some reason. You ignore how bad the defense was last year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I see you haven't met Transplant and Jm yet. They love Taylor more than I love Scarjo and Hathaway. Saying he wasn't the reason we missed the playoffs does not mean a love affair. Troll Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
GunnerBill Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Saying he wasn't the reason we missed the playoffs does not mean a love affair. Troll There is plenty of trolling in this thread not coming from Ryan.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Offense vs playoff teams: 23.7 ppg Offense vs non-playoff teams: 27.9 ppg Defense vs playoff teams: 28.4 ppg Defense vs non-playoff teams: 18.6 ppg Sorry, I couldn't hear you. Which part of the team only did well against terrible teams? I didn't include the last game for obvious reasons. I did include the first Patriots game, even though no statistician or rational football fan would, just because I knew you'd cry if I didn't. By the way, without that game, the numbers look like this: Offense vs playoff teams: 25.0 ppg Defense vs playoff teams: 33.1 ppg Yikes! Well, that certainly doesn't look good for you. I'll be awaiting your concession. I also took a look at scoring in wins vs. losses over the past 2 years (while looking into some KC stuff). I actually did find an interesting trend that I don't like while looking, FWIW. First off, in our 15 Wins over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 27.1 Opponents PPG: 14.5 In our losses over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 21.9 (including 3 games with EJ/Cardale for a quarter) Opponents PPG: 30.5 So there is about a 5 point swing in our Offense's production between wins and losses, but a 16 point swing in what our D gives up between our wins and losses. Seems crazy! Also, over the past 2 years our Defense has allowed 24+ points 14 times. We are 0-14 in those games. We are 15-3 in games where our opponents were held to 23 or fewer points. We suck at shootouts, clearly. And to my point with KC, their Defense has allowed 24+ points 8 times over the past 2 years. We allowed 8 such games last season alone.
MPT Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 TT is the best QB the Bills have had this century. He is never going to be elite or HOF status, but he was not expected to be. He is far from terrible, which posters like you try to make him by being deliberate in what you chose to ignore. He is good enough till a better option comes along. Once again, 15-14, 47 TDs and 15 turnovers with over 1000 yards rushing is not terrible. "Far from terrible"? "Good enough"? And using actual facts too? What a fanboy!
Maury Ballstein Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Saying he wasn't the reason we missed the playoffs does not mean a love affair. Troll Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm a troll because I'd rather draft a qb then watch a guy who put up a 1-6 record vs .500 teams ? Interesting take. Apologies for wanting more and adios thread. This is devolving into nonsense like the other locked TT thread. Have fun with the wishing for 9-7 thing. "Far from terrible"? "Good enough"? And using actual facts too? What a fanboy!1-6 No 49ers on schedule this year. Pretend all is well if you must. I love you all, but let's not forget all the times Tyrod was pantsed by real qb's And this concludes Tyrod 2016. Part 45,663 Edited June 20, 2017 by Maury Ballstein
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I'm a troll because I'd rather draft a qb then watch a guy who put up a 1-6 record vs .500 teams ? Interesting take. Apologies for wanting more and adios thread. This is devolving into nonsense like the other locked TT thread. Have fun with the wishing for 9-7 thing. 1-6 No 49ers on schedule this year. Pretend all is well if you must. I love you all, but let's not forget all the times Tyrod was pantsed by real qb's And this concludes Tyrod 2016. Part 45,663 The defense was pantsed, whatever that means, by other QBs. Not TT. I'm a troll because I'd rather draft a qb then watch a guy who put up a 1-6 record vs .500 teams ? Interesting take. Apologies for wanting more and adios thread. This is devolving into nonsense like the other locked TT thread. Have fun with the wishing for 9-7 thing. 1-6 No 49ers on schedule this year. Pretend all is well if you must. I love you all, but let's not forget all the times Tyrod was pantsed by real qb's And this concludes Tyrod 2016. Part 45,663 The only nonsense is coming from you and your ignoring all the arguments, with actual facts, against your posting.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-hc-mcdermott-impressed-with-tyrod-taylors-leadership/ Taylor’s passer rating in 2016 when under pressure of 80.1 was seventh best among qualifying quarterbacks, while his 10 touchdowns thrown in those circumstances was tied for third.And anyone wondering who the 2 QBs ahead of him are, it's Aaron Rodgers with 12 TDs and Andrew Luck with 11. Russell Wilson also threw 10 TDs under pressure. ...and that is the highly manipulative nature of stats.....if you want to isolate QB stats, Rodgers and Wilson both have rings....we have 17 YEARS......BUT....I will certainly cede the point if Wrecks did NOT dismantle the defense in 2015 & 2016, TT's performance with the top 5 or so defense intact could very likely have broken the schneid...consistently winning all three phases is the point or at leat 2 out of 3 periodically...Rodgers and Wilson have been supported by good defenses....Luck has been in a weak division....for 2017, me thinks the OL continues to becomes a cohesive unit, MUST grow a greater awareness as to where the hell TT is this time which means trying to corral his scrambles as they have to hold blocks longer, etc; Dennison needs to develop an offense to exploit TT's strengths (quicker, shorter stuff, utilizing RB's more as well as TE's; he struggles with reads/progressions, so shorten the rope); otherwise you continue to expose his read weaknesses.....probably an old school crustacean in year 55 of following this club, but I still think McD should have any one of the three phases available at his fingertips when needed to get the "W"....playing from behind and racking up stats for the sake of later arguments has never done much for me....the "W" comes first.............
transplantbillsfan Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Do me a favor and never ever ever ever offer me any advice again. I don't care about your love affair with all things Taylor. it's a passing league. We need a qb, sorry this offends you. The horse is all yours, I'm out. Fanboys gonna Fanboy. Wow, no problem dishing it out but just can't take it, huh? You keep implying you're done with these conversations and then you keep coming back.
MPT Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I also took a look at scoring in wins vs. losses over the past 2 years (while looking into some KC stuff). I actually did find an interesting trend that I don't like while looking, FWIW. First off, in our 15 Wins over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 27.1 Opponents PPG: 14.5 In our losses over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 21.9 (including 3 games with EJ/Cardale for a quarter) Opponents PPG: 30.5 So there is about a 5 point swing in our Offense's production between wins and losses, but a 16 point swing in what our D gives up between our wins and losses. Seems crazy! Also, over the past 2 years our Defense has allowed 24+ points 14 times. We are 0-14 in those games. We are 15-3 in games where our opponents were held to 23 or fewer points. We suck at shootouts, clearly. And to my point with KC, their Defense has allowed 24+ points 8 times over the past 2 years. We allowed 8 such games last season alone. Don't have time to look at more numbers vs playoff / non-playoff teams right now, but our defense in 2014 gave up an average of 18.1 pts/g and only gave up 24+ pts 3 times (37 to the Pats, 24, and 26). With that defense and this past year's offense, a 12+ win season is very plausible. So, while I realize that the 2014 defense is beyond what we can hope to achieve this year, this offense does have what it takes to be a contender. Hopefully they only get better with the reintroduction of Sammy and the addition of Jones.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 It's a team sport, and the rest of the team's contributions matter.It is a team effort and the QB is the most important guy on the team.
transplantbillsfan Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) I didn't skip anything, i watched him poop his pants vs the Ravens, Steelers, Raiders, Bengals, Patriots and Dolphins. Guess my memory is better than yours. We don't have to agree, you obviously want to give him more chances while I don't ever want to see another Steelers/Raiders/Pats w Brady game again. (My man can't even pass for 200 yards while getting blown out? Gross!) Don't quote me. I'm out of this subject. You can't convert me lol. and two posts later... I see you haven't met Transplant and Jm yet. They love Taylor more than I love Scarjo and Hathaway. How many times in this thread alone are you going to say you're done with the subject only to come right back into the discussion you just said you were going to leave? You just can't quit us, can you? Edited June 20, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 It is a team effort and the QB is the most important guy on the team. Both true, and the QB was the least of the teams problems in 2016.
MPT Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 It is a team effort and the QB is the most important guy on the team. Would you apply that logic to the Colts or Saints? Disclaimer: not saying Tyrod is better than either of those QB's. Just suggesting that maybe the other guys on the team are a little important too.
transplantbillsfan Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) I'm a troll because I'd rather draft a qb then watch a guy who put up a 1-6 record vs .500 teams ? Interesting take. Apologies for wanting more and adios thread. This is devolving into nonsense like the other locked TT thread. Have fun with the wishing for 9-7 thing. 1-6 No 49ers on schedule this year. Pretend all is well if you must. I love you all, but let's not forget all the times Tyrod was pantsed by real qb's And this concludes Tyrod 2016. Part 45,663 and another post Edited June 20, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
aristocrat Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Ahh I love Maury's pantsing argument. Tyrod pantsed more teams than rivers and just as many as Brees therefore they're equal Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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