OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I'm concerned about our coin flip depth. We'll have plenty of guys to send out there vs the Panthers in week 2, but what about the other weeks? ....why?...BIGGER concern should be our cadence call depth with EJ gone..............
Direhard Fan Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I'm with #81. My glass is always half FULL. I believe TT will impress this year and we make the playoffs barring injury to a name player like McCoy. If Joe were here he would guarantee it.
Buffalo86 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 ....why?...BIGGER concern should be our cadence call depth with EJ gone.............. Alright, now I'm concerned about two things.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Alright, now I'm concerned about two things. ....with two 1sts in 2018, we could get 'em back you know............
Augie Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 ...versus stand pat, lose, and say in the "best interest of continuity, we can't change"......Whaley does deserve credit for churning this roster 24/7/365 to make it better....his counterparts would go into hibernation in mid-November when Buffalo's season was "officially over" and awaken in April from their "slumber".... In fairness, I think they peaked their heads out every Groundhogs Day. Over, and over, and over....again.
cba fan Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 you change coaches and schemes and you have to get players to fit those schemes. when you change coaches every 2 years it's hard to get the right players. something the Bills obviously don't understand. Good coaches adapt to the good players they have and fill in as needed. You don't buy McDonalds and start making tacos.
Saxum Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Good coaches adapt to the good players they have and fill in as needed. You don't buy McDonalds and start making tacos. McTaco has a such a nice rings to it just like McDonalds and Moctezuma's Revenge.
Fan in San Diego Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 I'm with #81. My glass is always half FULL. I believe TT will impress this year and we make the playoffs barring injury to a name player like McCoy. If Joe were here he would guarantee it. Anybody else always think of Thurman Thomas first then have to adjust to Tyrod Taylor? Kinda like metric to imperial conversion?
eball Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Anybody else always think of Thurman Thomas first then have to adjust to Tyrod Taylor? Kinda like metric to imperial conversion? No, because when Thurman was playing we weren't on message boards.
Yoho Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 No, because when Thurman was playing we weren't on message boards. Actually that is not true. Thurman retired in 2000. The Bills board on Prodigy was going strong in the late 90's. There are a number of people here who remember Bob Lamb and his early efforts at a message board. You could connect up to AOL and make your comments on Flutie vs Johnson
wilcoam Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 2 owners, and 3 HC's, with numerous different OC's and DC's obviously foster a humungous bi-annual roster turnover And this is normal even with continuity when one side of the ball isn't producing I mean you really have no choice but to try and change schemes and or coaches to make it more effective However what will alway burn me is that our Bills didn't consider continuity on the heels of a #2 overall D rating IE - When a unit plays that well you do everything you can to keep it intact including scheme, coaching, players, and depth That would have included re-signing Spikes and Searcy and trying to get Schwartz to stay Sorry but hiring Rex and letting him do what he did has to go down as one of the dumbest owner moves in recent NFL history jc
Thurman#1 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 If we improve over last year it may be due to Rex's loading up the team with his ex-Jets and homeboys. I just did a quick eyeball of the rosters, and there are so many changes it's unbelievable. I hope that the new regime is legit and knows better how to judge talent. I know some of the losses are good players, like Gilmore and Gilislee, but how will we live without Leger Douzable and Idehego (sp)? What about that guy who punched Geno Smith? He's gone too! Will miss him. I see a future in which there are 11 players on the field on every play. I see coaches making challenges based upon real observations and upstairs paying attention. I don't see Marcel Dareus dropping back into coverage. I see Reggie Ragland knocking Gilislee onto his backside. I see Lawson blindsiding Brady and Brady considering retiring in the middle of a game. I see a healthy Sammy Watkins getting 1400 yards and 15 touchdowns. But then again, I just dropped a handful of shrooms. The stats are two years old but still very relevant because they show that roster turnover is high for everyone. It's from a reddit: "Which teams have the longest average tenure? (League average is 2.263 seasons, between the Ravens and Colts.) Packers: 2.918 seasons Patriots: 2.882 Bengals: 2.861 Steelers: 2.628 Chargers: 2.506 49ers: 2.488 Falcons: 2.467 Cowboys: 2.455 Seahawks: 2.360 Vikings: 2.329 Saints: 2.329 Eagles: 2.324 Lions: 2.312 Ravens: 2.280 Colts: 2.241 Dolphins: 2.231 Texans: 2.227 Panthers: 2.211 Bears: 2.194 Jets: 2.192 Redskins: 2.176 Bills: 2.158 Cardinals: 2.156 Rams: 2.082 Chiefs: 2.071 Titans: 2.063 Broncos: 2.051 Raiders: 2.025 Giants: 2.011 Browns: 1.909 Jaguars: 1.853 Buccaneers: 1.568 All of my raw data comes from Pro-Football-Reference's yearly roster listings, which I think includes all players that were on a gameday active roster for at least one game in the season." Turnover is high for everyone. It's the nature of the game that guys at the bottom of the roster have always had extremely high turnover and it's harder to hold on to guys at the top of the roster in the salary cap era. Especially when you're close to the cap. Gilmore's a good example. I always remember the joke from Seinfeld, "you're basically rooting for the clothes." It's more so for teams with new coaches and schemes but it's really true for everybody. We won't know how much turnover there's been till the roster firms up after camp, but we're likely to be somewhere around 70th percentile this year with the cap issues and the new regime.
Thurman#1 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Good coaches adapt to the good players they have and fill in as needed. You don't buy McDonalds and start making tacos. That sounds good, but there are plenty of exceptions. Belichick may be the best coach in NFL history, unfortunately. But he has a ton of turnover. He wants and gets a certain kind of player. The Pats went 5-11 in his first year though they'd gone 8-8 the year before under Carroll. He didn't coach guys who didn't fit his system so well that the team kicked butt. He brought in guys who fit his system. And it took him time. Pro Football Reference lists 55 guys on the roster of Carroll's last group, the '99 Pats. In '00 in Belichick's first year, they list 65. Guys gone from Carroll's roster: Terry Allen, Mike Bartrum, Terry Billups, Vincent Brisby, Chris Carter, Rico Clark, Ben Coates, Ferric Collons, Vernon Crawford, Damon Denson, Ed Ellis, Jerry Ellison, Heath Irwin, Steve Israel, Shawn Jefferson, Jeff Kopp, Bob Kuberski, Marty Moore, Sean Morey, Zefross Moss, Todd Rucci, Bernard Russ, Chris Sullivan, Lamont Warren, So 24 of Carroll's 55 were gone. And they won five games. 43.6% turnover and Belichick didn't coach the guys on the roster to greatness. He changed everything and input his systems. The next year, 2001, they list 61 guys. It's easier to count the guys who WERE on that 1999 Carroll roster than those who weren't. The survivors were: Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Tedy Bruschi, Terry Glenn, Lee Johnson, Ted Johnson, Tebucky Jones, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, Lawyer Milloy, Brandon Mitchell, Marty Moore, Rod Rutledge, Adam Vinatieri, Damien Woody. Only 15 of 55 remaining. And only the highlighted guys were starters that year, though McGinest missed most of the year, maybe due to an injury or something. Belichick didn't so much coach the leftovers to greatness as he did bring in a group that fit his schemes. Not that I'm saying McDermott is the new Belichick. Just that even very good coaches sometimes have major turnover and don't do that well with guys left over from the last era. Edited June 20, 2017 by Thurman#1
vorpma Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 you change coaches and schemes and you have to get players to fit those schemes. when you change coaches every 2 years it's hard to get the right players. something the Bills obviously don't understand. Typical response from someone sold on mediocrity and willing to accept it! Rex Ryan came to Buffalo, ran the DC of a top five defense off, the team went backwards to include a pretty good defense and you still cling to the past! Amazing! We get what we deserve. Actually that is not true. Thurman retired in 2000. The Bills board on Prodigy was going strong in the late 90's. There are a number of people here who remember Bob Lamb and his early efforts at a message board. You could connect up to AOL and make your comments on Flutie vs Johnson Dixon 22 and Big Mable; great bunch of fans who could engage in intelligent discussion! Good coaches adapt to the good players they have and fill in as needed. You don't buy McDonalds and start making tacos. Great post!
jimmy10 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Last year: "Keep Rex for a third season? Lol, screw continuity." This year: "Omg, staff and roster turnover, why is there no continuity?"
wilcoam Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Continuity only works when you have something tangible from which to want to continue Like our current run game And our our former #2 D unit Which is why I worry about the change in our blocking scheme Who do so many NFL HC's and OC's decide to change things that are already working Should they not focus on what wasn't working and leave what is, alone? Which by the way looking back most BBMB fans did NOT want to continue with Marrone after 2014 and were very very pleased when he resigned Back then winning 9 games was apparently not good enough, lol I wasn't one of em and I can now say playing Mon morning QB his resignation really messed up our program Now folks seem poised to be truly excited about winning 6-7 games? I love the current mgmt changes but its still hard to be excited considering where we were at by the end of 2014 The what ifs aside, hiring Rex was abut the least continuous hiring of the century The turnover required to run his sub par D system was a complete waste of time In the process we unfort lost several solid players that he decided were not a fit, Searcy, Cockrell, and Bradham included I was one of those who argued against his hiring in the first place and that he needed to be booted after the first year I was drowned out, called silly names, and my football acumen was challenged Everybody knew better... Worse many wanted to give him a 3rd year claiming 'continuity' I've began to despise the word, because in Bills lexicon, it means, continued mediocrity Fingers crossed our owners made a better choice this time through jc
vorpma Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Continuity only works when you have something tangible from which to want to continue Like our current run game And our our former #2 D unit Which is why I worry about the change in our blocking scheme Who do so many NFL HC's and OC's decide to change things that are already working Should they not focus on what wasn't working and leave what is, alone? Which by the way looking back most BBMB fans did NOT want to continue with Marrone after 2014 and were very very pleased when he resigned Back then winning 9 games was apparently not good enough, lol I wasn't one of em and I can now say playing Mon morning QB his resignation really messed up our program Now folks seem poised to be truly excited about winning 6-7 games? I love the current mgmt changes but its still hard to be excited considering where we were at by the end of 2014 The what ifs aside, hiring Rex was abut the least continuous hiring of the century The turnover required to run his sub par D system was a complete waste of time In the process we unfort lost several solid players that he decided were not a fit, Searcy, Cockrell, and Bradham included I was one of those who argued against his hiring in the first place and that he needed to be booted after the first year I was drowned out, called silly names, and my football acumen was challenged Everybody knew better... Worse many wanted to give him a 3rd year claiming 'continuity' I've began to despise the word, because in Bills lexicon, it means, continued mediocrity Fingers crossed our owners made a better choice this time through jc Awesome post, well stated!
Formerly Allan in MD Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 The turnover at the upper levels is refreshing. McD appears to have a head on his shoulders whereas Ryan clearly had only a mouth.
wilcoam Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 It is indeed very refreshing however because I'm a lifelong Bills fan I am still very cautious What looks like in the off season of the right approach and saying all the right things means little If the roster moves don't work out as anticipated and they don't win games And or there is not a significant improvement in year 2 if year 1 strikes out I still think there may have been too much roster turnover especially in the secondary Our pass D was at least average, it was our run D that needed more to be blown up Though I give em points for recognizing our WR's situation needed a complete overhaul just not sure they did enough I know patience Look I like the extra 1st next year However a free 3rd and free 4th would be even better if we are only gonna win 6-7 games this season jc
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