mannc Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Cardale Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky is an interesting take. But also a terrible one. Agreed that there is no real reason to rank Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky at this point, but on the other hand, none of them have logged any real NFL playing time, so there's not much reason to prefer them to Cardale either right now.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Cardale is playing in a golf outing that I'm attending on the 19th. I will ask him about his newfound prominence. LAMP Agreed that there is no real reason to rank Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky at this point, but on the other hand, none of them have logged any real NFL playing time, so there's not much reason to prefer them to Cardale either right now.Which is why this whole list is weird to begin with. Anyone that thinks Geno Smith is better than Fitz is an idiot. That's why Fitz played ahead of Geno Smith. It would be interesting to see a list ranking all QBs on the roster broken out by R-3 NFL seasons (including this year) and over 3 NFL seasons. The young guys are a total crapshoot anyways. How do we know what they can do if they've never played? The older guys have game experience and at worst, preseason resumes that tell a clearer story.
Blokestradamus Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 LAMP Literally only just realised what LAMP means. Man, I'm a bit thick
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Whaley made a public proclamation about EJ being one among the best #2s. But on this board , there were numerous vocal EJ supporters. Despite the empirical evidence on the playing field and hospitality tent, support didn't really die down till final game he played against Jets. There is still belief that a fresh start with another team will finally show us the trrue EJ I hear you on the crazed supporters, but "supporter" and "#2 backup in the league" are not the same thing Likewise Whaley "top third of backups" and "#2 backup" not same thing I think somebody's mom made this list. No dissing of moms
DallasBillsFan1 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I hear Jeff George is still keeping the arm warm.
CanadianFan Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) While we're on the subject, why don't we look at Cardale's strengths and weaknesses. Strengths: (PFF): Cannon for an arm. Can make tight-windowed throws that other quarterbacks would not even attempt Will cycle through reads at times and find the open man Shows touch, even if accuracy is inconsistent Keeps his eyes downfield when maneuvering around the pocket. Looking to pass and make a big play Flashes excellent accuracy on 1-5 yard passes, hit receivers in stride more than most Big body and athleticism make him difficult to tackle in our out of the pocket. Forced 37 missed tackles on 127 carries each of the last two years Bleacher Report: When asked to rip a deep ball, Jones shows remarkable placement and an understanding of timing and space. He excels at leading receivers down the field on throws of 20-plus yards and can drop the ball over the defense and into a bucket. His touch, arc and timing on deep passes is a sight to see.Canadian Fan: shows Poise and doesn't shy from big moments. Shines in big games. This is an intangible often overlooked by these reports. Weaknesses: PFF: Accuracy is all over the place, among the worst in the class at the most important ranges: six through 30 yards Bleacher Report: accuracy and decision-making. accuracy issues plaguing Jones can be explained by his mechanics. He doesn't square his feet, hips and shoulders when throwing from the pocket and too often trusts his arm to do the work his body could be doing for him to generate velocity. Jones' left hip (his back foot) is often turned away from the target and doesn't allow for a full torquing of his core when he throws. Given his struggles reading coverages on slants and crossing routes, Jones needs a crash course in QB 101. Basically, accuracy has to do with mechanics, and that equals COACHING. It can be taught, and fixed. He has to DO THE WORK in the off-season. Has he done enough this past off season? Edited June 9, 2017 by CanadianFan
jeffismagic Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 While we're on the subject, why don't we look at Cardale's strengths and weaknesses. Strengths: (PFF): Cannon for an arm. Can make tight-windowed throws that other quarterbacks would not even attempt Will cycle through reads at times and find the open man Shows touch, even if accuracy is inconsistent Keeps his eyes downfield when maneuvering around the pocket. Looking to pass and make a big play Flashes excellent accuracy on 1-5 yard passes, hit receivers in stride more than most Big body and athleticism make him difficult to tackle in our out of the pocket. Forced 37 missed tackles on 127 carries each of the last two years Bleacher Report: When asked to rip a deep ball, Jones shows remarkable placement and an understanding of timing and space. He excels at leading receivers down the field on throws of 20-plus yards and can drop the ball over the defense and into a bucket. His touch, arc and timing on deep passes is a sight to see.Canadian Fan: shows Poise and doesn't shy from big moments. Shines in big games. This is an intangible often overlooked by these reports. Weaknesses: PFF: Accuracy is all over the place, among the worst in the class at the most important ranges: six through 30 yards Bleacher Report: accuracy and decision-making. accuracy issues plaguing Jones can be explained by his mechanics. He doesn't square his feet, hips and shoulders when throwing from the pocket and too often trusts his arm to do the work his body could be doing for him to generate velocity. Jones' left hip (his back foot) is often turned away from the target and doesn't allow for a full torquing of his core when he throws. Given his struggles reading coverages on slants and crossing routes, Jones needs a crash course in QB 101. Basically, accuracy has to do with mechanics, and that equals COACHING. It can be taught, and fixed. He has to DO THE WORK in the off-season. Has he done enough this past off season? Cardale Jones throws the ball differently every time. I doubt this inconsistency will be fixed.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 He took a broken down Matt Schaub to Baltimore as a backup because he could run his system..... Dennison likes that vet guy who knows the scheme. I can see McDermott and Beane being where you are Kirby, very easily, the question is whether Dennison has sufficient influence to change that. I very strongly suspect he will want Yates on the 53. Matt Schaub was a former multi time 4,000 yard passer. Yates is a guy with worse career numbers than EJ. Yates offers nothing and it is really hard to picture either young guys being that much worse than him. And as Kirby said, there are a ton of TJ Yates looking for jobs. He is easily replaceable.
prissythecat Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I hear you on the crazed supporters, but "supporter" and "#2 backup in the league" are not the same thing Likewise Whaley "top third of backups" and "#2 backup" not same thing I think this was the relevant article with the Whaley quote -> http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/04/bills-say-theyre-very-comfortable-with-manuel-as-their-backup/ "....Doug Whaley says he’s “very comfortable” with Manuel, adding that Manuel is one of the league’s top backup quarterbacks..."
CommonCents Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Literally only just realised what LAMP means. Man, I'm a bit thick I had to google it recently. Don't feel bad.
Real McClappy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 This entire list is a joke like many others here have said.
3rdand12 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Literally only just realised what LAMP means. Man, I'm a bit thick why what does it mean? I own thick, Son
timekills17 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 why what does it mean? I own thick, Son Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP Although in this context, its probably " 'Look At Me' Post".
3rdand12 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I had to google it recently. Don't feel bad. whats google ? Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP Although in this context, its probably " 'Look At Me' Post". Thanks for the assist. always grateful. You an IT guy ?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 ...published articles last year said he was struggling to run the Scout Team......so where does #15 come from, the Russian judge??............
timekills17 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 whats google ? Thanks for the assist. always grateful. You an IT guy ? I dabble. I'm better with a rifle though.
3rdand12 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I dabble. I'm better with a rifle though. i will remind to be polite then.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Jeffismagic on the other side of the monitor after reading this content://media/external/file/57209 ...so who cares anyway?.....debate happens with mutual respect on both sides so noted......sorry but his omnipotence and arrogance pervades anything he posts.......if he is the TBD standard. good Lord this place is in trouble..................
The Wiz Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP Although in this context, its probably " 'Look At Me' Post". Always my first thought when I see LAMP. I'm any IT guy though.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Overall a bad list, but all the Fitz fanboys need to get over his ranking. Fitz isn't good, never has been. Geno Smith shouldn't be ranked ahead of him, but let's be honest. Ideally you don't really want to see either guy on the field as a starter. Edited June 10, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
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