DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) ...at #3, he'd be Donohole's clipboard carrying specialist Shane Matthews at 700 grand a year (years ago)................ Most teams keep three QB's. There are some quite highly paid third string QB's. Yates being third string QB isn't out of the question imo. The only way I see this happening is if Peterman lights up the preseason, and Cardale struggles. McD might just not want to part with Yates. Edited June 10, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 .published reports claimed Cardale was struggling with running the "Practice Squad".Published where? I must have missed that. Were these reports published by the same people who denigrated Cardale's intelligence or "football IQ"?
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Published where? I must have missed that. Were these reports published by the same people who denigrated Cardale's intelligence or "football IQ"? I've seen enough of Cardale to tell me what I need to know. I don't need reports from anyone to know that he is awful. Just as I wouldn't need a Wonderlic to know that he isn't the brightest crayon in the box. Edited June 10, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I've seen enough of Cardale to tell me what I need to know. I don't need reports from anyone to know that he is awful.You mean his 35 minutes of preseason action (with the third string) or were you referring to his 15 minutes of PT at the end of the last regular season game, which the Bills were attempting to lose?
Kirby Jackson Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 You mean his 35 minutes of preseason action (with the third string) or were you referring to his 15 minutes of PT at the end of the last regular season game, which the Bills were attempting to lose?I've seen every snap that he has ever taken in a game both college and pro and am not ready to give up on him. I'd venture t say YOLO would be in agreement. That doesn't mean that he will ever be great but it's way too early to bury him.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Published where? I must have missed that. Were these reports published by the same people who denigrated Cardale's intelligence or "football IQ"? ...read articles about it ......NO benefit to me or ANYONE to fabricate such claims...yet Google yields nothing other than an NFL scout calling him a "poor man's Jamarcus Russell".....BTW, LAST thing I would do is root against any kid trying to fulfill is lifelong NFL dream.........
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) You mean his 35 minutes of preseason action (with the third string) or were you referring to his 15 minutes of PT at the end of the last regular season game, which the Bills were attempting to lose? He has nothing it takes to be a successful NFL QB. You can all remember this post. If he ever does anything in this league I'll eat crow. He has all the physical ability in the world. He showed what he can do during OSU's national championship run. Then he lost his job to JT freaking Barrett. Inaccurate QB's with big arms are never successful in the NFL. ...read articles about it ......NO benefit to me or ANYONE to fabricate such claims...yet Google yields nothing other than an NFL scout calling him a "poor man's Jamarcus Russell".....BTW, LAST thing I would do is root against any kid trying to fulfill is lifelong NFL dream......... I don't root against him either. Sadly I think "poor man's Jamarcus Russell" is somewhat accurate. Edited June 10, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 He has nothing it takes to be a successful NFL QB. You can all remember this post. If he ever does anything in this league I'll eat crow. He has all the physical ability in the world. He showed what he can do during OSU's national championship run. Then he lost his job to JT freaking Barrett. Inaccurate QB's with big arms are never successful in the NFL.As i thought, you are just making a naked pronouncement, backed up by nothing other than your "gut feeling". Complete waste of bandwidth. Just like the guy who has already decided that McDermott will fail as a head coach.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) As i thought, you are just making a naked pronouncement, backed up by nothing other than your "gut feeling". Complete waste of bandwidth. Just like the guy who has already decided that McDermott will fail as a head coach. Inaccurate QB's don't succeed in the NFL. The big arm doesn't matter. That isn't a "gut feeling" it's what I see. Accuracy can't be taught. I don't know how that's a "waste of bandwidth". Edited June 10, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 He has nothing it takes to be a successful NFL QB. You can all remember this post. If he ever does anything in this league I'll eat crow. He has all the physical ability in the world. He showed what he can do during OSU's national championship run. Then he lost his job to JT freaking Barrett. Inaccurate QB's with big arms are never successful in the NFL. I don't root against him either. Sadly I think "poor man's Jamarcus Russell" is somewhat accurate. ...IF I remember correctly, one Scout Squad analysis sad it is not your typical"bring youngsters along slowly" environment....it was more of a "live ammo/baptism by fire environment" to gauge a player's level with respect to a multitude of actual NFL situations.....generically "struggling" does not tell much...........
BringBackOrton Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 A year earlier though Cardale was a top 10 pick. His raw talent is at least on par with those guys. The consistency isn't there buts it's not crazy to think that someone prefers his upside. We've still never seen him lose a game. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong but it's not that they are better talents. Cardale was never a top 10 pick. That's a gross exaggeration. Lower picks outperform higher picks all the time in the NFL. Cardale has better tools than both those guys, played against a higher level of competition, and won far more big games. I say we should wait and see what happens when they actually play. Then why didn't Cardale go higher? Just because Tom Brady was better than Brady Quinn doesn't mean that worse prospects are better than better prospects. A year earlier though Cardale was a top 10 pick. His raw talent is at least on par with those guys. The consistency isn't there buts it's not crazy to think that someone prefers his upside. We've still never seen him lose a game. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong but it's not that they are better talents. They are better talents. They were prospects that were good enough to go in the top 10. Cardale was not. This is inarguable. You sound like one of those fans who argue that Peterman will be the best QB in the draft. Nonsense.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Cardale was never a top 10 pick. That's a gross exaggeration. Then why didn't Cardale go higher? Just because Tom Brady was better than Brady Quinn doesn't mean that worse prospects are better than better prospects. They are better talents. They were prospects that were good enough to go in the top 10. Cardale was not. This is inarguable. You sound like one of those fans who argue that Peterman will be the best QB in the draft. Nonsense. Just going to leave this here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462467/article/report-cardale-jones-could-have-been-top-1015-draft-pick You go call the league exec a liar...
BringBackOrton Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Just going to leave this here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462467/article/report-cardale-jones-could-have-been-top-1015-draft-pick You go call the league exec a liar... That's one guy talking about "could be's." I "could" go as high as the first round if I declared tomorrow. Johnny Manziel "could be" the #1 overall pick over Clowney. He wasn't though... The bottom line is that 32 GM's decided he wasn't worth more than a late 4th. And 3 of those same GM's thought the 2017 class were worth 3 top 12 picks. You're welcome to die on the hill that the next Brian Brohm or whoever is a better prospect than someone who went in the top 10. I know that Bills QB's taken after round 3 are basically the next Brady until they retire at 25.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Just going to leave this here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462467/article/report-cardale-jones-could-have-been-top-1015-draft-pick You go call the league exec a liar... He could have because team execs get caught up in the hoopla just like us fans. Cardale went wild leading his team to a national championship. Football fans became enamored with him. Combine that fact with how desperate teams are for QB's, and you have a first round pick. Cardale returned to school only to get benched for JT Barrett. Had he declared for the draft after the National Championship he would have gone first round. That doesn't mean he ever should have. Accuracy can't be taught. It's not something I can see him overcoming to become a good NFL QB.
#34fan Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Everyone who thought "Cardale wasn't ready" is FIRED! That, to me, says a lot...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Everyone who thought "Cardale wasn't ready" is FIRED! That, to me, says a lot... In all fairness no one in football thought Cardale would be "ready" in his rookie year.
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 In all fairness no one in football thought Cardale would be "ready" in his rookie year.And yet, after that rookie year, you're ready to declare him a bust.
YoloinOhio Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) I've seen every snap that he has ever taken in a game both college and pro and am not ready to give up on him. I'd venture t say YOLO would be in agreement. That doesn't mean that he will ever be great but it's way too early to bury him. i don't think I have the energy for another rehashing of the Cardale discussion, but the same narratives keep showing up. He was and is a project with a high ceiling. He has all the tools but needs a couple years of good coaching and the right system before he can really be evaluated. He looks exactly like I thought he would in the small sample size he's played and given the situation. He was drafted into something different than he is now and we don't know if this regime will invest much into his development. I think they are going to focus on Peterman and then the presumed QB of the future that they take next year. Cardale is probably better off getting traded somewhere like Arizona. I have no idea how anyone can be certain he won't succeed given the right coaching, system, and opportunity. Whether or not gets that is simply unknown at this time. Edited June 10, 2017 by YoloinOhio
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Inaccurate QB's don't succeed in the NFL. The big arm doesn't matter. That isn't a "gut feeling" it's what I see. Accuracy can't be taught. I don't know how that's a "waste of bandwidth".What is the basis for saying that Cardale is an "inaccurate QB"? His career completion percentage in college was 61.7 and his YPA was 8.6. Why hate on a guy on your own team, with enormous potential, who hasn't even had a chance to play yet? I don't understand it. Edited June 10, 2017 by mannc
mannc Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) ...read articles about it ......NO benefit to me or ANYONE to fabricate such claims...yet Google yields nothing other than an NFL scout calling him a "poor man's Jamarcus Russell".....BTW, LAST thing I would do is root against any kid trying to fulfill is lifelong NFL dream.........I think you are making stuff up. I just did a google search for reports on Cardale's scout team performance. This is all I found, from December 12 last year: "Hes what you want waiting on the runway, Bills offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn said, insinuating that having a player of his caliber as a developmental quarterback that youre waiting on is the ideal scenario. He's working hard. I mean, hes a gunslinger, strong arm. We watch him in scout team, evaluate his reps in scout team hes putting the ball in the right places, hes accurate. I think his development is coming along fine." Doesn't exactly support your narrative, does it? Edited June 10, 2017 by mannc
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