C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 One last pay day may actually work in our favor if he doesn't have to put up huge numbers for the next deal? What might count the most is THIS deal. $$$. Not that I want to OVER-pay, but.... It very well could. I do think those one year and prove it deals might be the best route for a 29 yo if he believes he is able to stay healthy.
CanadianFan Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Ok, I know we all want the best toys possible. BUT!!!!!!!!! BIG BUTT!!!!!! WE DON'T HAVE A QB WHO CAN GET HIM THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
JM2009 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 As always, I'd love for you to be right. He would be a great pickup. As his agent, Buffalo would be further down on my list of teams. I believe Woods got paid as much as he did because the Rams believe he suffered from poor qb play. Woods had a career game against Seattle. and then was out hurt. He's a solid number three, slot guy. He's not a true number two.
NoSaint Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 As always, I'd love for you to be right. He would be a great pickup. As his agent, Buffalo would be further down on my list of teams. I believe Woods got paid as much as he did because the Rams believe he suffered from poor qb play. If teams are pricing a premium into the equation for WRs that produce effectively in our scheme it would seem that would fend off fears of not getting paid later if you come here.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) ....not sure how much stock to put into, "who would come to Buffalo" anymore...sure we're talking about FO/Administration, but the number of former VP's and Personnel Directors that Beane managed to attract is quite impressive.....and the majority are young guns versus "over the hill gang members" hanging on for a pay check.....and throw in a darn good coaching staff (sure it's on paper so far)...but times are changing........as weird as it sounds it started with Shawne Merriman and then Mario. The world is so much smaller in the social media age that recruiting to Buffalo (or any city) isn't that difficult anymore. The best basketball player in the world is in Cleveland. The next guys on the list may be in Oakland and Oklahoma City. It's a much different time than 15 years ago. Edited June 3, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
NoSaint Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Ok, I know we all want the best toys possible. BUT!!!!!!!!! BIG BUTT!!!!!! WE DON'T HAVE A QB WHO CAN GET HIM THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!! The biggest strength of our qb is deep passing.
JM2009 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Ok, I know we all want the best toys possible. BUT!!!!!!!!! BIG BUTT!!!!!! WE DON'T HAVE A QB WHO CAN GET HIM THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did Watkins and TT become one of the best duos in the NFL in 2015? He's a terrific deep ball passer, but he couldn't get those types of balls to Maclin? Fail. That Colt game, the first throw to Harvin was a nice deep ball into the end zone for a TD. The biggest strength of our qb is deep passing. He could be the best in the NFL at it, but he couldn't get a deep ball to a speedster like Maclin-what a horrible comment. Edited June 3, 2017 by JM2009
chris heff Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 I just keep thinking about how much better the Bills got when they picked up James Lofton.
Augie Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 It very well could. I do think those one year and prove it deals might be the best route for a 29 yo if he believes he is able to stay healthy. Like Tyrod (and Flacco), I like it when guys are willing to bet on themselves. But it is a gamble.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Woods had a career game against Seattle. and then was out hurt. He's a solid number three, slot guy. He's not a true number two. Yeah, I'm sure Woods would have the same production with qbs like Brees, Rodgers, & Brady instead of Taylor, Orton, & Manuel. Taylor has his strengths but let's stop pretending his lack of passing success is everyone else's fault. Charles Clay was a top 10 TE in Miami. Hogan looked like one of the best deep threats in the NFL last year. Taylor limits mistakes and is a great running qb. He is one of the worst passing starters in the NFL. I don't know how anyone can argue this. Ok, I know we all want the best toys possible. BUT!!!!!!!!! BIG BUTT!!!!!! WE DON'T HAVE A QB WHO CAN GET HIM THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent post! If teams are pricing a premium into the equation for WRs that produce effectively in our scheme it would seem that would fend off fears of not getting paid later if you come here. Good point but that's where winning helps. Easier to take lesser stats on a winning team playing on big stages than on a non-winning one. I just keep thinking about how much better the Bills got when they picked up James Lofton. The HOF qb(even if he is slightly overrated here) might have helped a bit.
JM2009 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Yeah, I'm sure Woods would have the same production with qbs like Brees, Rodgers, & Brady instead of Taylor, Orton, & Manuel. Taylor has his strengths but let's stop pretending his lack of passing success is everyone else's fault. Charles Clay was a top 10 TE in Miami. Hogan looked like one of the best deep threats in the NFL last year. Taylor limits mistakes and is a great running qb. He is one of the worst passing starters in the NFL. I don't know how anyone can argue this. Excellent post! Good point but that's where winning helps. Easier to take lesser stats on a winning team playing on big stages than on a non-winning one. How can that be an excellent post when TT strength is getting deep balls to speedsters like a Maclin? And how come Watkins and TT had a nice second half in 2015? One of the best in the NFL. And the bills attempted the fewest passes in the NFL in 2016. Yeah, I'm sure Woods would have the same production with qbs like Brees, Rodgers, & Brady instead of Taylor, Orton, & Manuel. Taylor has his strengths but let's stop pretending his lack of passing success is everyone else's fault. Charles Clay was a top 10 TE in Miami. Hogan looked like one of the best deep threats in the NFL last year. Taylor limits mistakes and is a great running qb. He is one of the worst passing starters in the NFL. I don't know how anyone can argue this. Excellent post! Good point but that's where winning helps. Easier to take lesser stats on a winning team playing on big stages than on a non-winning one. The HOF qb(even if he is slightly overrated here) might have helped a bit. I remember that Titan game-a big deep ball to Hogan set up a TD. Bills should have kept Hogan.
Gugny Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 How can that be an excellent post when TT strength is getting deep balls to speedsters like a Maclin? And how come Watkins and TT had a nice second half in 2015? One of the best in the NFL. And the bills attempted the fewest passes in the NFL in 2016. They had a nice second half because they were playing against prevent defenses for the last two quarters of every game.
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 How can that be an excellent post when TT strength is getting deep balls to speedsters like a Maclin? And how come Watkins and TT had a nice second half in 2015? One of the best in the NFL. And the bills attempted the fewest passes in the NFL in 2016. I remember that Titan game-a big deep ball to Hogan set up a TD. Bills should have kept Hogan. I just wish I could solve the mystery of the cosistancy - TT would go for halves where he was not very productive......then turn it around in second halves - TT couldnt find Clay at all in some games....and in some games he seemed to find him every other play - We would struggle offensively passing against some teams.....then explode against teams like Seattle
Webster Guy Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Our number one and number two receivers are currently injured and the season is less than 100 days away. I find it hard to believe that getting a reliable great wide receiver when we have the cap room to do it doesn't make perfect sense. If you haven't watched Maclin play, you should check him out. the guy can be dominant.
JM2009 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Yeah, I'm sure Woods would have the same production with qbs like Brees, Rodgers, & Brady instead of Taylor, Orton, & Manuel. Taylor has his strengths but let's stop pretending his lack of passing success is everyone else's fault. Charles Clay was a top 10 TE in Miami. Hogan looked like one of the best deep threats in the NFL last year. Taylor limits mistakes and is a great running qb. He is one of the worst passing starters in the NFL. I don't know how anyone can argue this. Excellent post! Good point but that's where winning helps. Easier to take lesser stats on a winning team playing on big stages than on a non-winning one. The HOF qb(even if he is slightly overrated here) might have helped a bit. "Brees, Rodgers and Brady". Why don't you go out and get one of them for us Biscuit, since they are so easy to find. 31 NFL teams must have one of these types of QBs, and the Bills are the only ones who don't, with your posting. I'll meet you at the corner store and will buy one for Buffalo. HOF, elite QBs are a dime a dozen. Newsflash-TT will never be this type, and he wasn't expected to be. That doesn't mean he is terrible.He's the best option for 2017 and beyond till better. We would have made the playoffs last season had the defense played as advertised.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 How can that be an excellent post when TT strength is getting deep balls to speedsters like a Maclin? And how come Watkins and TT had a nice second half in 2015? One of the best in the NFL. And the bills attempted the fewest passes in the NFL in 2016. I remember that Titan game-a big deep ball to Hogan set up a TD. Bills should have kept Hogan. I was referring more to the picture. Tyrod's best pass is the deep one, I agree. And Hogan was never going to do that in Buffalo. One of the reasons NE signed him is because he got wide open twice in the MNF game against them 2 years ago and Tyrod missed him.
Webster Guy Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 He only got targeted 75 times last year but he can handle twice that.
JM2009 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 They had a nice second half because they were playing against prevent defenses for the last two quarters of every game. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Sammy-Watkins-took-a-step-toward-dominance-in-2015/2d3af3a4-de5c-414c-8c88-874a1433c3ee
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 "Brees, Rodgers and Brady". Why don't you go out and get one of them for us Biscuit, since they are so easy to find. 31 NFL teams must have one of these types of QBs, and the Bills are the only ones who don't, with your posting. I'll meet you at the corner store and will buy one for Buffalo. HOF, elite QBs are a dime a dozen. Newsflash-TT will never be this type, and he wasn't expected to be. That doesn't mean he is terrible.He's the best option for 2017 and beyond till better. We would have made the playoffs last season had the defense played as advertised. Missing the point. I could have named guys like Stafford, Dalton, or Wilson. Some people here are a false idea that WRs make the qb. It's one of the reasons why I hated the idea of a 1st round wr. Qbs make WRs. I'd love Maclin here. But even without him, lots of starting qbs could be fine with our current WRs.
JM57 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Our number one and number two receivers are currently injured and the season is less than 100 days away. I find it hard to believe that getting a reliable great wide receiver when we have the cap room to do it doesn't make perfect sense. If you haven't watched Maclin play, you should check him out. the guy can be dominant. Not only that, but pretend you're a defensive coordinator. The Bills come out in a 3 wide set with Watkins and Maclin split out. Zay Jones is in the slot, Clay at TE, McCoy in the backfield. How do you choose a receiving option to key on as a defensive play designer when any one of the options could hurt you bigly (thanks Trump) on any passing play?
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