CommonCents Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I honestly don't even care if we make the playoffs ... unless we are a real contender. I surely won't be squirting any tears for making the playoffs. A superbowl win yes but playoffs are something I expect not something to cry about. When they make the playoffs I will simply say took ya !@#$ing long enough losers I remember the weeks leading up to playoff games as a kid, I will be happy to feel that excitement again if we are a heavy road dog.
GunnerBill Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I honestly don't even care if we make the playoffs ... unless we are a real contender. I surely won't be squirting any tears for making the playoffs. A superbowl win yes but playoffs are something I expect not something to cry about. When they make the playoffs I will simply say took ya !@#$ing long enough losers I am sure if I had supported them through the 90s I'd feel the same and after one year of a 1 and done playoff effort (like Miami last year) I'd feel the same too.... but having never seen them play a playoff game yes making it that first time would mean something to be me even if we were fodder. I don't want the team to plan on that basis, I would rather they take a long term approach to build a sustainable winner, I am just telling you how I feel.
ALF Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) A complete look at the teams' current and future salary cap situation SAL CAPACCIO JUNE 25, 2017 - 10:33 PM According to the NFLPA’s public salary cap report, the Bills currently have $13,982,198 in available cap space for 2017. The figure includes only the top 51 salaries for players currently under contract. Once final cuts are made following the last preseason game, all 53 players on the roster will count towards the cap. http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/bills-cap-situation-looking-healthier-2017-and-beyond According to Over The Cap, accounting for a $178 million cap per team, the Bills will be roughly $34 million under that number including players currently under contract. The most notable names whose contracts will expire after this season are WR Sammy Watkins, DE Kyle Williams, C Eric Wood, and LB Preston Brown. That's why I like Sal , very detail oriented Edited June 28, 2017 by ALF
nucci Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 I honestly don't even care if we make the playoffs ... unless we are a real contender. I surely won't be squirting any tears for making the playoffs. A superbowl win yes but playoffs are something I expect not something to cry about. When they make the playoffs I will simply say took ya !@#$ing long enough losers This is a ridiculous comment
PromoTheRobot Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 I am sure if I had supported them through the 90s I'd feel the same and after one year of a 1 and done playoff effort (like Miami last year) I'd feel the same too.... but having never seen them play a playoff game yes making it that first time would mean something to be me even if we were fodder. I don't want the team to plan on that basis, I would rather they take a long term approach to build a sustainable winner, I am just telling you how I feel. This will come as a shock to you but Bills fans got pretty jaded after the second super bowl loss. They couldn't even sell out playoff games. (the Houston comeback was blacked out in Buffalo!) Even the 4th AFC championship vs KC needed the TV station to buy the last couple thousand unsold tickets in order to be shown locally. And the attitude was pretty much the same as ddaryl's. Why should I support them? They're just gonna lose. Some things never change.
nucci Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 This will come as a shock to you but Bills fans got pretty jaded after the second super bowl loss. They couldn't even sell out playoff games. (the Houston comeback was blacked out in Buffalo!) Even the 4th AFC championship vs KC needed the TV station to buy the last couple thousand unsold tickets in order to be shown locally. And the attitude was pretty much the same as ddaryl's. Why should I support them? They're just gonna lose. Some things never change. There were over 75,000 for the Oilers game and 76,000 for Chiefs game. Attendance wasn't a problem. It was trying to beat the stupid blackout rules
PromoTheRobot Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) There were over 75,000 for the Oilers game and 76,000 for Chiefs game. Attendance wasn't a problem. It was trying to beat the stupid blackout rulesThe point is the games couldn't sell out like years earlier. 1994 Raiders playoff game: 61,000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Buffalo_Bills_season Edited June 26, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
26CornerBlitz Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 @BuffRumblings The #Bills are near the middle of the pack in dead money spending, according to Over the Cap https://t.co/z9dvG07rRa
nucci Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 The point is the games couldn't sell out like years earlier. 1994 Raiders playoff game: 61,000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Buffalo_Bills_season It was kinda cold that day
NoSaint Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 A complete look at the teams' current and future salary cap situation SAL CAPACCIO JUNE 25, 2017 - 10:33 PM According to the NFLPAs public salary cap report, the Bills currently have $13,982,198 in available cap space for 2017. The figure includes only the top 51 salaries for players currently under contract. Once final cuts are made following the last preseason game, all 53 players on the roster will count towards the cap. http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/bills-cap-situation-looking-healthier-2017-and-beyond According to Over The Cap, accounting for a $178 million cap per team, the Bills will be roughly $34 million under that number including players currently under contract. The most notable names whose contracts will expire after this season are WR Sammy Watkins, DE Kyle Williams, C Eric Wood, and LB Preston Brown. That's why I like Sal , very detail oriented Again confirming that we were never that pressed on the cap like many portray. For better or worse, the money is there when these guys decide they want to put the chips on the table for a run, but I don't think the vision is for that to be immediately. It seems like they will conservatively acquire low cost assets in the short term until they have whatever foundation they are looking for (or pressure to hurry up) and then likely spend the accumulated resources for a push at that time. If accurate, not a bad strategy, but I think comes with tempering expectations short term.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 Again confirming that we were never that pressed on the cap like many portray. For better or worse, the money is there when these guys decide they want to put the chips on the table for a run, but I don't think the vision is for that to be immediately. It seems like they will conservatively acquire low cost assets in the short term until they have whatever foundation they are looking for (or pressure to hurry up) and then likely spend the accumulated resources for a push at that time. If accurate, not a bad strategy, but I think comes with tempering expectations short term. They never used the Glenn or Dareus restructures either. Fiscal responsibility
NoSaint Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 This is a ridiculous comment To be fair, if we were a 7-8-1 team skating in without a hope.... would you really be jazzed up about it? I think there's some context to how excited to get about the playoffs. If we have a franchise qb and a roster trending upward, I'm amped even as a long shot as it's the start of something. If we play mediocre ball and back in with a roster that's not likely to improve long term it's not much of an accomplishment to celebrate
BarleyNY Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) @BuffRumblings The #Bills are near the middle of the pack in dead money spending, according to Over the Cap https://t.co/z9dvG07rRa Too much significance is given to dead money. There are good and bad reasons for having it on the books. Out of context it really doesn't tell anyone anything of importance. Edited July 8, 2017 by BarleyNY
NoSaint Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 They never used the Glenn or Dareus restructures either. Fiscal responsibility I know you point to these often-- to be fair though a GM restructuring dareus right now likely would deserve to be fired though. He's already been real shaky on this deal and a restructure would just be making him less manageable going forward. Glenn would make more sense but with his injury lingering and who knows what with his kidney thing... flexibility might be a premium for him too. But I think he's generally a candidate for a restructure if ever needed. It does to a degree underscore just how much we could have spent if we wanted to push the chips in on this year though. We could've made 1-2 big splashes and another mid tier guy easily and if we really wanted to push it with restructuring added another 1-2 on top of that. If we wanted we could've kept Gilmore (and used the first elsewhere), kept MG, and still been talking about a guy like maclin. I know you are a TT fan but I personally read them being less aggressive as a sign they aren't comfortable at qb yet and are going to be very conservative until they are putting the pieces around their guy. Just my gut there after seeing the full offseason. And maybe in 6 months they feel different about him.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) I know you point to these often-- to be fair though a GM restructuring dareus right now likely would deserve to be fired though. He's already been real shaky on this deal and a restructure would just be making him less manageable going forward. Glenn would make more sense but with his injury lingering and who knows what with his kidney thing... flexibility might be a premium for him too. But I think he's generally a candidate for a restructure if ever needed. It does to a degree underscore just how much we could have spent if we wanted to push the chips in on this year though. We could've made 1-2 big splashes and another mid tier guy easily and if we really wanted to push it with restructuring added another 1-2 on top of that. If we wanted we could've kept Gilmore (and used the first elsewhere), kept MG, and still been talking about a guy like maclin. I know you are a TT fan but I personally read them being less aggressive as a sign they aren't comfortable at qb yet and are going to be very conservative until they are putting the pieces around their guy. Just my gut there after seeing the full offseason. And maybe in 6 months they feel different about him. I don't disageee at all. In terms of Tyrod I think that he's a lot better than he gets credit for around here. I met a Bills fan at the gym today (I've seen him there before in a Bills hat). Today I struck up a conversation. He was talking about hoping Peterman would win the job. The gap between Tyrod and the other QBs is massive. The fact that people actually think that gives me pause. Tyrod is a decent starting QB. A guy that you can win with but don't win because of. I just take issue when people compare him to EJ or Losman or Trent. There is nothing to support any of that. I find myself defending Tyrod on here because of some of the asinine comments. He's been every bit as good as Flacco (for example) over the last 2 years. He's somewhere between Tannehill and Dalton IMO. With that being said I have no problem upgrading. I was banging the drum to acquire an extra 2018 first and target a guy in that class. That, to me, was always the best strategy. Unless Tyrod takes a step this year I think that should be the plan. I have never been for taking a guy to take a guy. If we really dig into the success rate of QBs it's very, very low. Even guys like Wentz, Goff and Bortles aren't guaranteed to ever reach his level of competent play. I'm fine selling out to get a guy like Jameis was as a prospect. A guy that will likely be at least a solid starter vs. a guy like Goff would could develop into that. Rosen for me is a guy that seems pretty safe (despite the off field concerns). They brought TT back at a number that they were comfortable with despite the previous GM not being a fan. He will get a chance to be the long-term answer but they have the assets to go in another direction should they choose to. Strangely, the Bills QB situation is the best that it's been in 15 years. Edited July 8, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
NoSaint Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 I don't disageee at all. In terms of Tyrod I think that he's a lot better than he gets credit for around here. I met a Bills fan at the gym today (I've seen him there before in a Bills hat). Today I struck up a conversation. He was talking about hoping Peterman would win the job. The gap between Tyrod and the other QBs is massive. The fact that people actually think that gives me pause. Tyrod is a decent starting QB. A guy that you can win with but don't win because of. I just take issue when people compare it to EJ or Losman or Trent. There is nothing to support any of that. I find myself defending Tyrod on here because of some of the asinine comments. He's been every bit as good as Flacco (for example) over the last 2 years. He's somewhere between Tannehill and Dalton IMO. With that being said I have no problem upgrading. I was banging the drum to acquire an extra 2018 first and target a guy in that class. That, to me, was always the best strategy. Unless Tyrod takes a step this year I think that should be the plan. I have never been for taking a guy to take a guy. If we really dig into the success rate of QBs it's very, very low. Even guys like Wentz, Goff and Bortles aren't guaranteed to ever reach his level of competent play. I'm fine selling out to get a guy like Jameis was as a prospect. A guy that will likely be at least a solid starter vs. a guy like Goff would could develop into that. Rosen for me is a guy that seems pretty safe (despite the off field concerns). They brought TT back at a number that they were comfortable with despite the previous GM not being a fan. He will get a chance to be the long-term answer but they have the assets to go in another direction should they choose to. Strangely, the Bills QB situation is the best that it's been in 15 years. All fair. Sometimes being in the "good but not the answer" camp is the hardest stance around here with so many wanting to place every player as boom or bust. And yea, the gap from TT to the rest is massive.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) I don't disageee at all. In terms of Tyrod I think that he's a lot better than he gets credit for around here. I met a Bills fan at the gym today (I've seen him there before in a Bills hat). Today I struck up a conversation. He was talking about hoping Peterman would win the job. The gap between Tyrod and the other QBs is massive. The fact that people actually think that gives me pause. Tyrod is a decent starting QB. A guy that you can win with but don't win because of. I just take issue when people compare it to EJ or Losman or Trent. There is nothing to support any of that. I find myself defending Tyrod on here because of some of the asinine comments. He's been every bit as good as Flacco (for example) over the last 2 years. He's somewhere between Tannehill and Dalton IMO. With that being said I have no problem upgrading. I was banging the drum to acquire an extra 2018 first and target a guy in that class. That, to me, was always the best strategy. Unless Tyrod takes a step this year I think that should be the plan. I have never been for taking a guy to take a guy. If we really dig into the success rate of QBs it's very, very low. Even guys like Wentz, Goff and Bortles aren't guaranteed to ever reach his level of competent play. I'm fine selling out to get a guy like Jameis was as a prospect. A guy that will likely be at least a solid starter vs. a guy like Goff would could develop into that. Rosen for me is a guy that seems pretty safe (despite the off field concerns). They brought TT back at a number that they were comfortable with despite the previous GM not being a fan. He will get a chance to be the long-term answer but they have the assets to go in another direction should they choose to. Strangely, the Bills QB situation is the best that it's been in 15 years. .....good assessment on all accounts Kirby....TT is back at a reasonable number and this will be his "show me" year.....Dennison is the right OC to develop a shorter passing game to maxximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses...the shorter game should include screens, rollouts, utilizing the RB's (Pats killed us with Faulk), quick stuff to TE's, etc......his inherent weakness is processing the entire field in <5 seconds (MANY have that problem), so a shorter game cuts his processing time....if it is successful, he'll have plenty of opportunities for the long ball.....summarily, the OL pressure is lessened with designed plays versus his improvised scrambles which forces them to hold blocks longer.....Peterman is an interesting candidate (kiss of death may be Kiper calling him "the most Brady like find of the 2017 class" followed by Gruden opining, "he is THE most NFL ready QB I've seen in years"..)...so if TT falters, you have Peterman in 2018 with a year under his belt and two 1sts in a promising QB class....as you said, best QB positioning potential in 15 years............ Edited July 8, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Boatdrinks Posted July 9, 2017 Posted July 9, 2017 The point is the games couldn't sell out like years earlier. 1994 Raiders playoff game: 61,000https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Buffalo_Bills_season That may have been the actual attendance ( horrible wind chill will do that) but the game was not blacked out on local tv. Heck, even the WC vs Oilers would likely have beaten the blackout if they had defeated Oilers in last game and gotten a bye week.
nucci Posted July 9, 2017 Posted July 9, 2017 To be fair, if we were a 7-8-1 team skating in without a hope.... would you really be jazzed up about it? I think there's some context to how excited to get about the playoffs. If we have a franchise qb and a roster trending upward, I'm amped even as a long shot as it's the start of something. If we play mediocre ball and back in with a roster that's not likely to improve long term it's not much of an accomplishment to celebrate Doubtful we get in at 7-8-1...most likely 10-6...very rare that bad teams make the playoffs....and after all these years I would get excited looking forward to a playoff game...
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