CDogg20 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Sorry guys this one's on me. I bought his jersey. Stupid stupid stupid. Shoulda known better. If we trade him im done buying anyones jersey anymore. It's like my own personal Madden curse. Or maybe i'll put this curse to good and buy a Brady jersey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 It would be massively stupid to get rid of Sammy but then again not picking up his option completely defied logic as well. Without question, even for the Sammy haters, it 100% diminished his trade value. So NOW you're going to trade him.....and expect sub-Brandin Cooks compensation? OMFG would that be stupid. I like a lot of what the new guys have done but don't understand their irrational emotional aversion to Watkins. It is bizarre. Totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I have a feeling Sammy will put up some monster numbers this year and earn a contract. Hope so anyways but to trade him this year with this receiving core would be nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 What I continue to fail to understand is that people keep thinking this is the 90's NFL...take a look at the Super Bowl contenders and winners over the last 5-7 years. UDFA and late round Drafted WRs....it takes a really good to great QB, solid play elsewhere, i.e offensive line or defensive line play etc. and the RBs and WRs tend to be role players. So, yeah - I'm good with it to get more important positions as a whole given better talent such as Center that is going to be a real issue next year or DE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 About the source of this article: Thank you for taking the time to learn more about Sports Talk 360 Website. Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their Rugby League, Australian Rules Football and NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of Rugby League. We encourage you to get involved by leaving comments on our site and interacting with us. We want your views whether you agree or disagree with us Good old banter between League fans is the whole point of this site. Thats the beauty of League everyone has an opinion and we are just as passionate as you! Happy Memorial Day, Sammy isn't going anywhere this year except maybe IR. I thought sports talk 360 was some radio station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 What I continue to fail to understand is that people keep thinking this is the 90's NFL...take a look at the Super Bowl contenders and winners over the last 5-7 years. UDFA and late round Drafted WRs....it takes a really good to great QB, solid play elsewhere, i.e offensive line or defensive line play etc. and the RBs and WRs tend to be role players. So, yeah - I'm good with it to get more important positions as a whole given better talent such as Center that is going to be a real issue next year or DE... Julio Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 We didn't trade away two first round picks and a fourth for Sammy. We traded away one first round pick in the deal. We used one to draft him. Calm down, K-9. Of those that didn't get it the 1st time, some may never get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I'd trade Sammy for a 1st. When we didn't pick up his option IMO that made it very unlikely he ultimately re-signs here. I agree anyone we get with a 1st round pick is not likely to be as good as Sammy (injuries and all), but I'd rather get a 1st round pick back than nothing at all next year (or the year after if we franchise him for a year first). A 2nd round pick isn't good enough given that we'd get a 3rd round Comp pick anyway (if the Bills don't waste it again) and have Sammy on the team for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) it is but a rumor, and we have no idea what kind of factors are involved here...injuries, attitude, family, finances? i am kinda thinking of it like hockey, don't want to lose him for nothing. Injury. I said it when they didn't pick up his option. That was the first step in the Bills moving in from Watkins. Gilmore is a good player........but he's a flawed, one-trick pony, who has had consistent injury issues over a longer period than Sammy. SG might make a few pro bowls but he will never be great. Watkins is a potential HOF talent........he's more in that elite Jason Peters category in terms of potential.......in that he could become the league's very best WR for a period of his career. Only 23 years old. This and the Marshawn Lynch and Dareus and Kouandjio situations should be red-flags for future picks though.........think long and hard about drafting 20 year old kids from the south and CA and plopping them in white suburban Buffalo.......lotta' culture shock and they aren't mature enough to handle it......expecially because they've been getting fast tracked.............those extra couple years make a big difference when contract time comes up. You're high. Gilmore has been a more producer player than Watkins. Gilmore was a high quality corner that played at a Pro Bowl level the entire time he was playing press zone. Watkins has flashed at a top 5 talent level - which is what enamours so many - but he hasn't produced. His best seasons have been at a good level. We didn't trade away two first round picks and a fourth for Sammy. We traded away one first round pick in the deal. We used one to draft him. That's ridiculous. We gave up two firsts and a fourth to draft him. Everyone understands that. Well, almost everyone. Edited May 28, 2017 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 It would be a bold move. Could be a homerun if he still battles the injury bug. Also though, could turn out to be a Lynch 2.0 trade. It would be crazy having 3 first rounders next year though... Let's trade him to the Pats. Then we can see him kick our ass twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I think the Bills have backed themselves in a bit of a corner here because they did not pick up his option. This means if Sammy has a great season, we will need to franchise him since his contract will be up, which will be very expensive generally and in terms of cap space. Add the uncertainty of how Sammy feels about not having his option exercised (or playing in Buffalo) and you may have situation where he will not want to sign a long-term deal with the Bills. There are a lot of unknowns with Sammy, including his health for this season and after. I do not know if it is the right move, but you certainly can make the argument that getting a first round pick for Sammy would be appropriate value for Sammy under the current circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Hey look there's obviously problems with this guy. He's not resigning here. Low first or high to mid 2nd ...take the pick and run.. Y'all work your little jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 If true they are idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 How? Don't trade him, let him earn a pay day next year and pay him or franchise him. If he bitches and mopes about being here then fine his ass until he shows. Letting the player hold all the cards is what this franchise has done so many times throughout the drought. It's pathetic. So in your infinite wisdom your plan is to pay about 15 million a year for an injured reciever or get in a fight with him and fine him? Sounds reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Injury. I said it when they didn't pick up his option. That was the first step in the Bills moving in from Watkins. You're high. Gilmore has been a more producer player than Watkins. Gilmore was a high quality corner that played at a Pro Bowl level the entire time he was playing press zone. Watkins has flashed at a top 5 talent level - which is what enamours so many - but he hasn't produced. His best seasons have been at a good level. That's ridiculous. We gave up two firsts and a fourth to draft him. Everyone understands that. Well, almost everyo I'm ending this once and for all. We used a 1st round pick to draft Sammy. We traded away a 1st and a 4th to move up in order to be able to draft him. In other words, 1st + 1st + 4th = two 1st(s) and a 4th. Ta da! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 If true they are idiots I actually LOVE Sammy (or at least his potential). BUT, if they have questions about him, and want to load up ammo to get a QB next draft, do you not consider the benefits of 3 first round picks? With a great QB we can find the WR's. I could go either way, but see the benefit of looking into strong offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I'd trade Sammy for a 1st. When we didn't pick up his option IMO that made it very unlikely he ultimately re-signs here. I agree anyone we get with a 1st round pick is not likely to be as good as Sammy (injuries and all), but I'd rather get a 1st round pick back than nothing at all next year (or the year after if we franchise him for a year first). A 2nd round pick isn't good enough given that we'd get a 3rd round Comp pick anyway (if the Bills don't waste it again) and have Sammy on the team for 2017. If we can get a first round pick for him it would indicate that the franchise is clueless. If we are trying to dump him why would other teams view him as a first rounder? We gave up the sun and moon to get him. Letting him go would indicate that we think he's a bust. Teams don't give up first round picks for busts. It would mean that league consensus is that he still has elite potential. Why would we let him go if other teams still believe in him? It would be another case of the Bills thinking they are smarter than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I actually LOVE Sammy (or at least his potential). BUT, if they have questions about him, and want to load up ammo to get a QB next draft, do you not consider the benefits of 3 first round picks? With a great QB we can find the WR's. I could go either way, but see the benefit of looking into strong offers.Just not buying it, Sammy CAN be a top 20-30 player in the league. You don't deal those guys, you use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Just not buying it, Sammy CAN be a top 20-30 player in the league. You don't deal those guys, you use them. I have to say, I do LOVE the guy. But I'll freely admit he's quick to duck or step OB. He's too talented for his pathetic YAC. Putting him in a contract year may show what he's made of. Prove it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I actually LOVE Sammy (or at least his potential). BUT, if they have questions about him, and want to load up ammo to get a QB next draft, do you not consider the benefits of 3 first round picks? With a great QB we can find the WR's. I could go either way, but see the benefit of looking into strong offers. There's obviously some price it makes sense at but if it's low first or something Day 2, kirbys right And since they decided not to do the option to give that team two years control they diminished sammys trade value And if they want to push for the playoffs and figure out Tyrod and they waited till next year to reap the rewards of the compensation then their strategies are all over the board and not meshing. If it's all gathering resources for a qb, cost he damned the best thing they could've done was trade Tyrod, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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