26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Bandit said earlier that's the 4th highest total in history before a guy's 24th birthday. That's pretty darned good production from a draft bust. He's right up there with Aaron Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The losing would get to anyone. If the Bills turn it around I guarantee Watkins will be on board with being a Bill.... Especially if the money is right. Sammy also had a personal relationship with the coach who just left town bad mouthing everything in sight. If I had to guess, I would say Watkins isn't very high on Buffalo or the team at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Sammy also had a personal relationship with the coach who just left town bad mouthing everything in sight. If I had to guess, I would say Watkins isn't very high on Buffalo or the team at the moment. That is one huge leap. But it fits your narrative, so run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 For the record I think trading Sammy even for a 1st rd pick is absurd on so many levels. For the Trade him group: If the Pats Pony up a 1st rd pick for Watkins would you do it knowing we would have to See watkins the next 8-10 years torching us? Careful what you wish for..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 If this were to happen. I assume for either a high draft pick or multiple mid rounders, it would just give a stronger credence to either McDermott doesn't like Watkins as a fit for what he wants to do or he is trying to stockpile draft picks for a rebuild/trade up for a franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 If this were to happen. I assume for either a high draft pick or multiple mid rounders, it would just give a stronger credence to either McDermott doesn't like Watkins as a fit for what he wants to do or he is trying to stockpile draft picks for a rebuild/trade up for a franchise QB What exactly could McDermott want to do that Watkins wouldn't help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 That is one huge leap. But it fits your narrative, so run with it. What's my narrative? Clue me in please. I said multiple times they should keep Watkins. Sammy has displayed his immaturity on and off the field, you think it's far fetched that Rex had any influence on him? The kid he praised since his Clemson days and then took care of while he was here? That's far fetched that they had an emotional attachment? Seems to me like a young immature superstar would easily latch on to an equally immature coach who is always singing his praises. I don't see the point of shouting down anything you disagree with then dissapearing when things go sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peevo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Jason Peters didn't fit in Jauron's plan either.........and he's still playing at a high level on his way to the HOF. Marshawn Lynch didn't fit Chan Gailey's long term vision..........well, you get my point..........both those HC failures are out to pasture. The over/under on McDermott is 3 seasons. Sammy probably more like 9 more seasons. Not sure when you guys are going to stop swallowing the hook from yet another cowboy HC with a big hat and no cattle. Let them PROVE something for a change. Number one asset a HC can have is being able to marry his systems to the talent in place.........drastic roster re-shaping has a near 100% fail rate........prove something too us McDermott and THEN MAYBE you can start disposing of the star players. I agree. There's never any vision or cohesion with this team, thus all the turnover in management and coaching and then talented players are stuck somewhere in limbo. Bills fans in general seem to have such short memories. Why sign Terrell Owens then trade your starting LT in the same offseason? An aging former superstar doesn't help your team do much when your young players in their prime get the boot. No vision. Why trade up to draft Sammy Watkins if your head coach wasn't even on board with the idea? If the coach and GM aren't on the EXACT same page in the draft room, why do it? No vision. It ought be pointed it out not every player that's left Buffalo has had tremendous success. Jairus Byrd, Mario Williams, Lee Evans, McGahee, etc. There's plenty of examples to prove either point. But I do think the Bills are very guilty of never fully executing any plan they have. I think McDermott needs an honest 5 years. If they're 6-10 again next season, I say start completely over. Trade/cut McCoy, let Taylor go and tank the year. And then rebuild from scratch. Then he has 4 years to build a winner in his image. I just can't stomach 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 8-8 again. Either be good or be terrible. The drought is old enough to drive after 9, why not let it vote, get drafted, buy cigarettes, do porn, and eventually buy alcohol? Seems fair, it's just starting it's life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 What's my narrative? Clue me in please. I said multiple times they should keep Watkins. Sammy has displayed his immaturity on and off the field, you think it's far fetched that Rex had any influence on him? The kid he praised since his Clemson days and then took care of while he was here? That's far fetched that they had an emotional attachment? Seems to me like a young immature superstar would easily latch on to an equally immature coach who is always singing his praises. I don't see the point of shouting down anything you disagree with then dissapearing when things go sideways. If dumb Rex was coddling Sammy then he would have thrown the ball his way a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) What's my narrative? Clue me in please. I said multiple times they should keep Watkins. Sammy has displayed his immaturity on and off the field, you think it's far fetched that Rex had any influence on him? The kid he praised since his Clemson days and then took care of while he was here? That's far fetched that they had an emotional attachment? Seems to me like a young immature superstar would easily latch on to an equally immature coach who is always singing his praises. I don't see the point of shouting down anything you disagree with then dissapearing when things go sideways. That he's unhappy in Buffalo. I'm waiting for evidence beyond Sanjay Lal's unhappiness on his way out of Buffalo. Has he displayed some signs of immaturity? Sure and no surprise for a guy in his early twenties. Who's shouting you down? I was asking for something more concrete beyond how you connected the Lal dots to Sammy. Edited May 30, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 For the record I think trading Sammy even for a 1st rd pick is absurd on so many levels. For the Trade him group: If the Pats Pony up a 1st rd pick for Watkins would you do it knowing we would have to See watkins the next 8-10 years torching us? Careful what you wish for..... I agree but if trading Sammy lands us a good 1st round pick we can use to get a better QB prospect from the 2018 draft I'm all for it. Keeping Sammy around just to block for Tyrod runs is a complete waste of his talent. He doesn't have the frame to be a blocking WR he is a throw me the ball guy and our current QB isn't the guy to do it. I'm ok with trading him but only if it's to get after a better QB. I do NOT support trading him if it's just to fill other needs and keep Tyrod. It's a QB league and until we have a better one it just doesn't matter who is at WR on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I agree but if trading Sammy lands us a good 1st round pick we can use to get a better QB prospect from the 2018 draft I'm all for it. Keeping Sammy around just to block for Tyrod runs is a complete waste of his talent. He doesn't have the frame to be a blocking WR he is a throw me the ball guy and our current QB isn't the guy to do it. I'm ok with trading him but only if it's to get after a better QB. I do NOT support trading him if it's just to fill other needs and keep Tyrod. It's a QB league and until we have a better one it just doesn't matter who is at WR on this team. only you could make this into a qb post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I agree but if trading Sammy lands us a good 1st round pick we can use to get a better QB prospect from the 2018 draft I'm all for it. Keeping Sammy around just to block for Tyrod runs is a complete waste of his talent. He doesn't have the frame to be a blocking WR he is a throw me the ball guy and our current QB isn't the guy to do it. I'm ok with trading him but only if it's to get after a better QB. I do NOT support trading him if it's just to fill other needs and keep Tyrod. It's a QB league and until we have a better one it just doesn't matter who is at WR on this team. This certainly has not been how he's been utilized to date. He's been a big play WR with many connections from Tyrod with particular success in the 2nd half of 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) only you could make this into a qb post.WR and QB go hand in hand. In most cases the QB makes the WR not the great 1st round WR makes the late round QB. If the QB cant get the ball out or can't get it close said WR will be completely ineffective. This certainly has not been how he's been utilized to date. He's been a big play WR with many connections from Tyrod with particular success in the 2nd half of 2015. In Buffalo Sammy is a blocking WR for Tyrod just like Woods was. No good WR wants to be a blocker they want the ball. WRs get hurt with nagging injuries putting their body in harm's way just to block for a running QB. I fully expect Sammy to be gone after his contract because good WRs go where the good QBs are. Sure Sammy has big plays catching the ball it's what he is great at, sadly Tyrod just doesn't give him the ball enough because he is always running. Edited May 30, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 WR and QB go hand in hand. In most cases the QB makes the WR not the great 1st round WR makes the late round QB. If the QB cant get the ball out or can't get it close said WR will be completely ineffective. In Buffalo Sammy is a blocking WR for Tyrod just like Woods was. No good WR wants to be a blocker they want the ball. WRs get hurt with nagging injuries putting their body in harm's way just to block for a running QB. I fully expect Sammy to be gone after his contract because good WRs go where the good QBs are. Sure Sammy has big plays catching the ball it's what he is great at, sadly Tyrod just doesn't give him the ball enough because he is always running. you honestly make it seem like taylor is missing his arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 WR and QB go hand in hand. In most cases the QB makes the WR not the great 1st round WR makes the late round QB. If the QB cant get the ball out or can't get it close said WR will be completely ineffective. In Buffalo Sammy is a blocking WR for Tyrod just like Woods was. No good WR wants to be a blocker they want the ball. WRs get hurt with nagging injuries putting their body in harm's way just to block for a running QB. I fully expect Sammy to be gone after his contract because good WRs go where the good QBs are. Sure Sammy has big plays catching the ball it's what he is great at, sadly Tyrod just doesn't give him the ball enough because he is always running. So the Bills' offense has been centered around designed runs from Tyrod with WRs as blockers? Is that your assertion for the offensive philosophy in the past two seasons? That isn't what I have seen as the design of the offense or Watkins' primary role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 you honestly make it seem like taylor is missing his arms. Missing the talent to be great. Just not good enough if your team is looking for a playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Missing the talent to be great. Just not good enough if your team is looking for a playoff run. as i've mentioned before, i think the qb position needs an upgrade. that being said, i choose not to obsess about it with every post. give it a try. it's fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 So the Bills' offense has been centered around designed runs from Tyrod with WRs as blockers? Is that your assertion for the offensive philosophy in the past two seasons? That isn't what I have seen as the design of the offense or Watkins' primary role. The design was to throw to the WRs, sadly Tyrod is more of a runner. They tried to simplify it for Tyrod but sadly that didn't even help. The WR roll in Buffalo is to get open but to expect to block for our running QB, it's not designed runs by our QB it's just something they have to expect all the time since Tyrod would rather run with it and that puts our WRs in harm's way throwing there bodies around to block DBs wanting to hurt them anyway they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I hope this doesn't happen but I can understand why Sammy wouldn't want to play here. Dinosaur football, no QB, fans that blame him for getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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