row_33 Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Well, pencil me in for Dareus having a great year. I believe when he is used correctly and can attack the QB he is one of the top DT's in the NFL. I think everyone is all for this, skepticism is at the same time fully warranted, both for him and the Bills as a team to cheer for. Looking forward to the great things happening on the field in real games when it matters.
Tenhigh Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Can we circle back to the original post? I've read it a few times and I'm not clear on what's being reported. Are you saying that Polian said that A BILLS EXEC TOLD HIM that if Darius screws up he's going to be let go? TO me it reads that Dareus (who is somehow now a Bills exec), told Polian (who doesn't work for the Bills) that he better ship up or shape out. Polian told by Bills exec Dareus 'Ship up or Ship out" It's FASCINATING. But for real, I think it's good that the team is telling these guys to get their act together, but agreed that the structure of his contract seems to lead you to believe that he won't actually be shipped out in the short term.
row_33 Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 the thread title is in internet shrink-speak takes a few seconds to unpackage almost quite unlike Sea Monkeys
Chandler#81 Posted May 24, 2017 Author Posted May 24, 2017 Can we circle back to the original post? I've read it a few times and I'm not clear on what's being reported. Are you saying that Polian said that A BILLS EXEC TOLD HIM that if Darius screws up he's going to be let go? Yes
row_33 Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Yes it was kinda obvious after 10 seconds of thinking that was the intention 10 seconds my be too much sometimes though...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 I just hope this new "all star" front office doesn't build a team full of Chris Kelsey's. At some point actual talent is needed, not just a bunch of "lunch pail"/"high motor" slow lighter skinned guys. Or you know...Kyle Williams. Lunch pail guy, light skinned...lots of talent. I wouldn't mind having a team full of Kyle Williams.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 And I love it. Other Orgs. Most likely wouldn't have put up with this BS this long, but they wouldn't have given him that huge extension either. Rex had nothing to do with his off the field issues. That is part of the ship up part. Rex had plenty to do with his off-field issues, by setting the example of not giving enough of a crap to hold his players accountable, or for that matter, himself and his lard-ass brother.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 He was hardly a bad pick at the time; he was widely considered one of the best players in that class. I'll admit that there were a vocal minority of us that wanted JJ Watt, but most folks thought Cam/Von Miller/Dareus/AJ Green were the elites in that class. Also, Dareus was a wrecking ball in '13 and '14. I don't excuse his off-field behavior, but the fact that Rex's defense adversely affected every player along the defensive front can hardly be ignored here. He wasn't too bad in '15 either. Just the entire defense stunk. But in '15 he was a major contributor in the final two minutes of two games we won. The Titans and final Jets game. He got to both Mariota and Fitz hitting there arm in mid-throw and causing interceptions in both instances. They don't go down as sacks but those plays were more valuable then an actual sack.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 TO me it reads that Dareus (who is somehow now a Bills exec), told Polian (who doesn't work for the Bills) that he better ship up or shape out. Polian told by Bills exec Dareus 'Ship up or Ship out" It's FASCINATING. But for real, I think it's good that the team is telling these guys to get their act together, but agreed that the structure of his contract seems to lead you to believe that he won't actually be shipped out in the short term. The headline should read: "Bills give Dareus option to enter free agency while enduring self-inflicted cap hit."
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 There's a close to 0% chance that Marcell is cut before 2019. $7 million in dead cap is doable, but $22 million isn't. All I can say is Thank You Whaley, you €%*+~#? ?=¥ !*}#.
GG Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Rex had plenty to do with his off-field issues, by setting the example of not giving enough of a crap to hold his players accountable, or for that matter, himself and his lard-ass brother. This passage caught my eye in the BB.com recap of the OTAs. There’s an uptick in the pace and tempo of Bills practices already evident in the first OTAs. Players hustle from drill to drill with limited down time and there’s a sharp focus on detail and assignments. New Bills GM Brandon Beane says McDermott reviewed Bills practice sessions from last year on video and saw a need for a more up tempo approach. “One of the things Sean talked about was he wasn’t fired up about some of the things he saw in last year’s practices, pulling them up (on video),” Beane said this week in an appearance on The John Murphy Show. Also brings back a quip that a PFF reporter made to John Murphy after visiting Bills & Steelers camps last year, and commented how Steelers' practice was shorter but was much more productive and organized.
Rob's House Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 The big issue with the contract wasn't the money, it was that the FO conceded to a provision that protected Dareus from the team recouping guaranteed money in the event of a drug-related suspension. That, IMO, is inexcusable. Not only that, it was a bit of a head scratcher when they gave a guy with motivational issues the most guaranteed money in the league at his position. That's precisely the guy you give the big incentive-laden contract to. Then coaches would have some leverage with him. Might have lost him, but you have to draw a line somewhere.
Chandler#81 Posted May 24, 2017 Author Posted May 24, 2017 TO me it reads that Dareus (who is somehow now a Bills exec), told Polian (who doesn't work for the Bills) that he better ship up or shape out. Polian told by Bills exec Dareus 'Ship up or Ship out" It's FASCINATING. But for real, I think it's good that the team is telling these guys to get their act together, but agreed that the structure of his contract seems to lead you to believe that he won't actually be shipped out in the short term. Yeah, not my best effort. I was trying to get the point in under the max character limit.
HansLanda Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 When Beane took over, in one of his first interviews he said there is a saying that goes something like: There are "guys that play professional football," and then there are "professional football players"...and he favors the latter. Dareus needs to decide which camp he wants to be in. He has all the skills to be a world beater in this league. The way his contract is written, as we all know, essentially allows him to fail another drug test and get paid to not play football. Or, he can decide he wants to be a force in the league.
BillsVet Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 I said "outside TBD". Show me a list of top five interior linemen that included Dareus. It's not as necessary to have excellent interior DL with the modern NFL. Dareus is entering his 7th season and he's demonstrated that conditioning isn't a priority. That might work when you're 22 or 23, but not after the wear and tear of 6 seasons in your rear view mirror. I would expect his missed games to increase if his work ethic doesn't improve.
AtlBills Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Due to the dead cap $s, MD is here through 2018 season, period. Only senario I can see where he gets released is if he gets suspended again. Can't absorb the cap hits he represents for the next 2 years.
thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 It's not as necessary to have excellent interior DL with the modern NFL. Dareus is entering his 7th season and he's demonstrated that conditioning isn't a priority. That might work when you're 22 or 23, but not after the wear and tear of 6 seasons in your rear view mirror. I would expect his missed games to increase if his work ethic doesn't improve. What's the only proven way to beat Tom Brady?
teef Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Or you know...Kyle Williams. Lunch pail guy, light skinned...lots of talent. I wouldn't mind having a team full of Kyle Williams. we could send him tanning if that helps.
Blokestradamus Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 What's the only proven way to beat Tom Brady? PROPERLY INFLATED FOOTBALLS!!!!!111!!!1!!!11!
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Marcell DEAD MONEY: 2017 - $38.3 mil 2018 - $22.2 mil 2019 - $7.8 mil 2020 - $1.4 mil Dareus QUIT on his teamies.... like Mario.....just in a different way. drug suspension, out of shape.... i'd say it's about 75% likely he gets suspended again. That's an absolute load of crap. Fun fact, he never actually failed a drug test. Immature idiot, sure, but quitter? Absolutely not.
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