Doc Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 K Gun named after Keith McKeller. I suppose it now would be called the Clay Gun. LOL! And I think they do want to run the K(Clay)-Gun of sorts. They talked about wanting to be able to run multiple plays from one formation.
boyst Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 A no-huddle doesn't have to be a hurry-up. A QB can stand at the line and use it to cut off defensive sub's with the threat of a snap, but he can still run off a lot of clock and keep the O (relatively) fresh. What bothers me more for the current Bills is that the K-Gun worked so well because everyone knew their assignments and executed them so well. Maybe it was a byproduct of the simplified game plans -- a limited number of plays to start with. Plus quality players executing at so many positions, not just the HOFers. But I'm not ready to expect the current O knows their assignments as well. The more deliberate calls made in a huddle make more sense to me than the shorthand signals called at the line. if the offense subs the defense must be allowed to.
K-9 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 if the offense subs the defense must be allowed to. That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend.
row_33 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend. Elite QBs get to the line with plenty of time on the clock to read the D, make easy adjustments, yell OMAHA a lot and bail out in .2 seconds after the snap for a gain. Others.... well they walk slowly up the field looking for the play from the sidelines, which isn't quite ready until 15 seconds have dribbled away and you can't read the D and take whatever you can make up on the fly.
xRUSHx Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Yes sirHaha, play to Tyrods strengths? Just like they did in 2016, that sure helped get us to the playoffs didn't it.SMHCan't run a K-gun with a QB not good enough to run even a basic stripped down simplified pop-gun. Edited May 30, 2017 by xRUSHx
K-9 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 Elite QBs get to the line with plenty of time on the clock to read the D, make easy adjustments, yell OMAHA a lot and bail out in .2 seconds after the snap for a gain. Others.... well they walk slowly up the field looking for the play from the sidelines, which isn't quite ready until 15 seconds have dribbled away and you can't read the D and take whatever you can make up on the fly. Elite QBs are key. The majority of QBs in this league can't run a hurry-up offense because of the recognition issues you allude to. NE*** takes it to another level by waiting to catch you in an unfavorable sub package and then they go to a fast paced, no huddle scheme that takes advantage of the match ups. But it all comes back to having a QB that can handle that.
row_33 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 Elite QBs are key. The majority of QBs in this league can't run a hurry-up offense because of the recognition issues you allude to. NE*** takes it to another level by waiting to catch you in an unfavorable sub package and then they go to a fast paced, no huddle scheme that takes advantage of the match ups. But it all comes back to having a QB that can handle that. a small review a month or two ago showed me about 1/3 of the teams have had a franchise QB for a half dozen years or so... it was more than I first thought. so it's not that rare to have a good to elite QB at the helm. Hopefully TT's weaknesses will be worked on to get him into the top 1/3 for 2017 and 2018.
Luxy312 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 In terms of the K-gun, the Bills don't have the QB to run that. It's easy to be realistic in making this assessment when we simply look at the 2-minute offenses that we've seen in the last two seasons. When I think about what the Bills had in the 90's, that's essentially what they ran almost the whole time they were on the field. It's just not this team. I like the enthusiasm of wanting to get back what we had almost 25 years ago, but realistic it is not.
K-9 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 a small review a month or two ago showed me about 1/3 of the teams have had a franchise QB for a half dozen years or so... it was more than I first thought. so it's not that rare to have a good to elite QB at the helm. Hopefully TT's weaknesses will be worked on to get him into the top 1/3 for 2017 and 2018. We'll have to agree to disagree about the number of great QBs in this league. I count five, tops. TT's weaknesses, as illustrated so far, don't lend themselves well to a fast-paced offense. He's been a disaster in 2-minute offenses for the most part. That said, the last time I saw him play, it was his best game from a command standpoint to date. And Dennison's offense seems to suit him well so I don't think it's impossible for him to get to a higher level.
row_33 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 We'll have to agree to disagree about the number of great QBs in this league. I count five, tops. TT's weaknesses, as illustrated so far, don't lend themselves well to a fast-paced offense. He's been a disaster in 2-minute offenses for the most part. That said, the last time I saw him play, it was his best game from a command standpoint to date. And Dennison's offense seems to suit him well so I don't think it's impossible for him to get to a higher level. I go with the view that Seattle was his Signature Game last year. Hoping and wishing and praying and watching things get a heckova lot better real quick. An OC who believes in calling a series of plays instead of standing there thinking...... and then coming up with something would be nice. TT has to be able to handle this.
K-9 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 I go with the view that Seattle was his Signature Game last year. Hoping and wishing and praying and watching things get a heckova lot better real quick. An OC who believes in calling a series of plays instead of standing there thinking...... and then coming up with something would be nice. TT has to be able to handle this. Seattle was a great game for him, too. But in re-re-reviewing the All 22 of the Miami game, I think he was better vs. Miami than in Seattle especially from a command standpoint. He had Miami defenders moving around all day long. Something I hadn't seen much of to that point.
row_33 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 Yup, Miami was a very good game as well. Seattle had more exposure and an opponent I valued way more than the Fish...
boyst Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 That's why the offense keeps the same personnel on the field to run a hurry up once they get a match-up package they like. That's why Brady and the Pats*** are so hard to defend. if we are specifically gearing up to face the patriots** we will lose 16 games. Belichiq has athleticism and prowess with intelligence to make up for this. Not to mention as we have seen players getting "injured.". You send in your 2 down LB. He limps a little. Hold on, the 3rd down specialist can come in. You can't outsmart or out cheat the patriots
Capco Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 And Taylor takes off running for the 1st down. That wouldn't be a problem for any team with DEs/OLBs that can set the edge well and play containment. Pressure up the middle with outside containment is Taylor's kryptonite. By going PA every play, it's a lot harder to get that quick release since you have to fake it to the back every snap. Even if it's only for a second, that's still significant, and just buys more time for the inside rush to develop. The only team I can even remotely see this idea working for is Dallas, since you'd need a mobile QB, an amazing offensive line, and big threats at WR, TE, and HB.
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