keepthefaith Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Trump probably has no legal obligation to be interviewed and if not why bother? Until he's charged with something on this whole matter (which will be never) there is no reason to be questioned except for public perception which of course will be bad when the headlines read "Trump refuses to be questioned by Mueller" and "Trump won't talk on Russia, what is he hiding?". Edited January 24, 2018 by keepthefaith
Cugalabanza Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: why bother? ...public perception which of course will be bad when the headlines read "Trump refuses to be questioned by Mueller" and "Trump won't talk on Russia, what is he hiding?". I think you just answered your own question
keepthefaith Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, Cugalabanza said: I think you just answered your own question Nah, Trump will simply send out a couple tweets calling Mueller names declaring Mueller part of the dishonest campaign against him.
boyst Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Trump probably has no legal obligation to be interviewed and if not why bother? Until he's charged with something on this whole matter (which will be never) there is no reason to be questioned except for public perception which of course will be bad when the headlines read "Trump refuses to be questioned by Mueller" and "Trump won't talk on Russia, what is he hiding?". Trump knows no matter his response it will be covered dishonestly by the media and folks like @Cugalabanza, who believe themselves to be unbias and honestly searching for answers in this, will continue to believe this story that had been clearly fabricated from the start. There is no win for this in Trump by playing by the rules of Mueller. He is winning by attacking them because they're completely bull ****.
row_33 Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 You just play out the fact that nobody cares what the media says anymore, and that the whole investigation is tainted and corrupt and rotten.
boyst Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Nah, Trump will simply send out a couple tweets calling Mueller names declaring Mueller part of the dishonest campaign against him. Which is as believable as the russia-trump tie. Which is why America is dividing so much. Which is why the media is selling out so well and flourishing Which is why Trump keeps talking and fanning flames Which is why the spiral continues Which is why we keep getting **** like this.
Cugalabanza Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: There is no win... He is winning... Nobody is winning anything. Everyone is spinning everything. It's all a huge mess. No one will come away smelling nice from any of the crap that is happening right now.
boyst Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, Cugalabanza said: Nobody is winning anything. Everyone is spinning everything. It's all a huge mess. No one will come away smelling nice from any of the crap that is happening right now. He wins because he has the pen and paper at the end of the day. The press can't do anything to him. He will be president until 2020 unless he decides to quit. And he may be longer. The way everyone is fussing and results thus far I wouldn't mind if he stayed til 2040
3rdnlng Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Trump does not have to agree to an interview with Mueller, but Mueller can compel Trump to appear before a grand jury where he wouldn't have the benefit of a lawyer.
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Nobody is winning anything. Everyone is spinning everything. It's all a huge mess. No one will come away smelling nice from any of the crap that is happening right now. Let's not equate trying to overthrow a legitimate government with allegations of calling shithole countries shithole countries. Trump will come out of this looking like Trump, which is what got him elected. Those attacking him are going to come out of this wearing orange jumpsuits and nooses.
B-Man Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 THE FIX WAS IN: Andrew McCarthy: Clinton–Obama Emails: The Key to Understanding Why Hillary Wasn’t Indicted. “If Clinton had been charged, Obama’s culpable involvement would have been patent. In any prosecution of Clinton, the Clinton–Obama emails would have been in the spotlight. For the prosecution, they would be more proof of willful (or, if you prefer, grossly negligent) mishandling of intelligence. More significantly, for Clinton’s defense, they would show that Obama was complicit in Clinton’s conduct yet faced no criminal charges. That is why such an indictment of Hillary Clinton was never going to happen. The latest jaw-dropping disclosures of text messages between FBI agent Peter Strzok and his paramour, FBI lawyer Lisa Page, illustrate this point.” Evidence suggests a massive scandal is brewing at the FBI Original Article Mueller’s Fruit of the Poisonous Tree Original Article
Cugalabanza Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Let's not equate trying to overthrow a legitimate government with allegations of calling shithole countries shithole countries. Trump will come out of this looking like Trump, which is what got him elected. Those attacking him are going to come out of this wearing orange jumpsuits and nooses. You may be right. I don’t know. Although I doubt it will play out exactly according to the ultimate perfect fantasy Republicans are drooling over right now. I mean, Devin Nunes? Really? And they have this beautiful checkmate all lined up and Trump is thinking *MAYBE* he’ll de-classify the golden memo? Doesn’t scream legit to me.
Tiberius Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: THE FIX WAS IN: Andrew McCarthy: Clinton–Obama Emails: The Key to Understanding Why Hillary Wasn’t Indicted. “If Clinton had been charged, Obama’s culpable involvement would have been patent. In any prosecution of Clinton, the Clinton–Obama emails would have been in the spotlight. For the prosecution, they would be more proof of willful (or, if you prefer, grossly negligent) mishandling of intelligence. More significantly, for Clinton’s defense, they would show that Obama was complicit in Clinton’s conduct yet faced no criminal charges. That is why such an indictment of Hillary Clinton was never going to happen. The latest jaw-dropping disclosures of text messages between FBI agent Peter Strzok and his paramour, FBI lawyer Lisa Page, illustrate this point.” Evidence suggests a massive scandal is brewing at the FBI Original Article Mueller’s Fruit of the Poisonous Tree Original Article
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Cugalabanza said: You may be right. I don’t know. Although I doubt it will play out exactly according to the ultimate perfect fantasy Republicans are drooling over right now. I mean, Devin Nunes? Really? And they have this beautiful checkmate all lined up and Trump is thinking *MAYBE* he’ll de-classify the golden memo? Doesn’t scream legit to me. The memo is not a silver bullet, it's the beginning of a long look down a dark tunnel which needs to be illuminated, which will exonerate President Trump, and implicate many big state actors. However, for political reasons the release cannot come from Trump. Is has to come through other channels.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: You may be right. I don’t know. Although I doubt it will play out exactly according to the ultimate perfect fantasy Republicans are drooling over right now. I mean, Devin Nunes? Really? And they have this beautiful checkmate all lined up and Trump is thinking *MAYBE* he’ll de-classify the golden memo? Doesn’t scream legit to me. I echo what Tasker said above and add this: if what I believe is happening is happening, then it's important to remember that this is being done not just to score political points, but to secure convictions. That's the end game here, not just political grandstanding. This is bigger than RvD or LvR or CvL - it's about whether or not we actually live in a democratic republic or a banana republic. For circumstantial evidence of what I'm laying out, look at the difference between the Mueller probe and the DOJ IG report in terms of leaks. Every time anything inflammatory about 45 was "discovered" during the investigation, it was leaked that very day to the press by unknown congressmen (cough-Schiff) - regardless of whether or not the information was accurate. And as we've seen, those leaks have proven to be false more often than not. Schiff is a former prosecutor, he knows better than most that leaks like that can HURT your ability to secure a conviction down the line - yet he's leaked constantly, regardless of the accuracy of the information he's spreading. Why? Because he isn't trying for a conviction, he's trying to score political points and taint the minds of the public. It's transparent. Now compare that to Horowitz's investigation. It's been conducted in near total secrecy for 11 months. There wasn't a single leak of evidence until the report was finished. At that point, the leaks don't matter - the work is done, the statements taken, the evidence secured et al. That right away speaks volumes about the intent of these two different investigations. One is about finding real corruption and ending it, the other is political grandstanding (at best) and a soft coup (at worst). What we are seeing on the right is a counter intel operation that has been planned (by military intelligence) for years. Trump is their hat, not the ringleader. They spent the last year gathering evidence while everyone was chasing Russian bears. Now they'll spend the next year rolling out the evidence and securing indictments. How high up the food chain they'll go with indictments is anyone's guess, but it sure seems like they're aiming at BIG fish. What's the old saying about when you go after a king? You better not miss. You only get one shot... and so far, the MI guys have made sure to save their powder for the right spots, rather than the black hats like Schiff who are scattering shots every day in the hope of hitting something. Make no mistake, the cult of worship around 44 and HRC creates almost unprecedented levels of cognitive dissonance. To puncture that bubble they know their evidence needs to be air tight, and the investigations even more so. Because remember what's at the end of this. IF it's shown that 44 and his team illegally used the powers of the surveillence state and IC to spy on their political opponents - are we really going to believe that's the only time they abused that system? Nope. The memo is just the start of what will be years of investigations and prosecutions. (imo) 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I echo what Tasker said above and add this: if what I believe is happening is happening, then it's important to remember that this is being done not just to score political points, but to secure convictions. That's the end game here, not just political grandstanding. This is bigger than RvD or LvR or CvL - it's about whether or not we actually live in a democratic republic or a banana republic. For circumstantial evidence of what I'm laying out, look at the difference between the Mueller probe and the DOJ IG report in terms of leaks. Every time anything inflammatory about 45 was "discovered" during the investigation, it was leaked that very day to the press by unknown congressmen (cough-Schiff) - regardless of whether or not the information was accurate. And as we've seen, those leaks have proven to be false more often than not. Schiff is a former prosecutor, he knows better than most that leaks like that can HURT your ability to secure a conviction down the line - yet he's leaked constantly, regardless of the accuracy of the information he's spreading. Why? Because he isn't trying for a conviction, he's trying to score political points and taint the minds of the public. It's transparent. Now compare that to Horowitz's investigation. It's been conducted in near total secrecy for 11 months. There wasn't a single leak of evidence until the report was finished. At that point, the leaks don't matter - the work is done, the statements taken, the evidence secured et al. That right away speaks volumes about the intent of these two different investigations. One is about finding real corruption and ending it, the other is political grandstanding (at best) and a soft coup (at worst). What we are seeing on the right is a counter intel operation that has been planned (by military intelligence) for years. Trump is their hat, not the ringleader. They spent the last year gathering evidence while everyone was chasing Russian bears. Now they'll spend the next year rolling out the evidence and securing indictments. How high up the food chain they'll go with indictments is anyone's guess, but it sure seems like they're aiming at BIG fish. What's the old saying about when you go after a king? You better not miss. You only get one shot... and so far, the MI guys have made sure to save their powder for the right spots, rather than the black hats like Schiff who are scattering shots every day in the hope of hitting something. Make no mistake, the cult of worship around 44 and HRC creates almost unprecedented levels of cognitive dissonance. To puncture that bubble they know their evidence needs to be air tight, and the investigations even more so. Because remember what's at the end of this. IF it's shown that 44 and his team illegally used the powers of the surveillence state and IC to spy on their political opponents - are we really going to believe that's the only time they abused that system? Nope. The memo is just the start of what will be years of investigations and prosecutions. (imo) My only hope is that WHATEVER happens, 44 and HRC end up in orange jumpsuits doing the perp walk. I hear Leavenworth is lovely this time of year. 1
Cugalabanza Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The memo is not a silver bullet, it's the beginning of a long look down a dark tunnel which needs to be illuminated, which will exonerate President Trump, and implicate many big state actors. However, for political reasons the release cannot come from Trump. Is has to come through other channels. If the dominoes fall that way, I’ll be there with my popcorn watching like everybody else, even though I personally despise Trump and all his buddies. It would be tefreshing just to see some bigshots actually face real consequences for a change. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Adding this because it's a big development this morning... Grassley is one of they key guys in this fight, he has been since before Trump was elected (note his support of Horowitz referenced in earlier threads). Now, he's filed a classified criminal referral (my money is on Pristap or McCabe for the record).
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