DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[Kemp]

6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 Maybe. The media is reporting he is a Russian asset, running the country for 25 months. He's hiding in plain sight. No one can catch him, not even the FBI after investigating for 2.5 years. But...soon, soon. 

 

Example to your point re the media: Many outlets have speculated endlessly about when he might fire Mueller. They reference sources within the govt. 

 

Question...are the media outlets that reported  firing was pending incompetent, spreading false information or something else? Because it seems clear that Herr Mueller plods on. 

 

You tell me. 

 

That's easy to answer. There is little doubt that Trump wants the investigation to stop. That's why he tossed Sessions.  Trump said it so it's tough to claim otherwise. He just fears the repercussions of dumping Mueller.

 

Ever notice that Trump never fires anyone directly?

 

He has others inform the fired, yet tries to maintain his supposed macho image.

6 hours ago, TPS said:

I read the MSM with the understanding that the message is to generate a particular view, like the NYT and WMD in Iraq. Most investigative reporting is done through alternative news outlets as well as former reporters via twitter. I try to read as many views as possible to form opinions. Take the time to read the Deep State thread if you haven't.

 

Wouldn't it be easier to cite a few examples of who is reporting the truth?

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 Maybe. The media is reporting he is a Russian asset, running the country for 25 months. He's hiding in plain sight. No one can catch him, not even the FBI after investigating for 2.5 years. But...soon, soon. 

 

Example to your point re the media: Many outlets have speculated endlessly about when he might fire Mueller. They reference sources within the govt. 

 

Question...are the media outlets that reported  firing was pending incompetent, spreading false information or something else? Because it seems clear that Herr Mueller plods on. 

 

You tell me. 

 

Sure. It's a fluid situation, like most things.

[GG]

15 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

 

You didn't say who IS reporting the truth.

That's up to you to decide, although you have to wonder about someone who's asking an anonymous opinion on the internet to help him find the truth.  

 

One thing is clear, one side has a far greater volume of the evidence backing its reporting.  

[Kemp]

12 minutes ago, GG said:

That's up to you to decide, although you have to wonder about someone who's asking an anonymous opinion on the internet to help him find the truth.  

 

One thing is clear, one side has a far greater volume of the evidence backing its reporting.  

 

Another in a long line of non-answers.

 

If you want to tell me that the MSM is lying about Trump why can't you say who IS reporting the truth besides Deranged Rhino and unnamed sources?

 

It would seem to be a simple task to quote "reliable" sources.

 

Isn't it possible that there are bad actors in the government AND Trump is guilty of what he is being accused of?

 

Also, those that complain about the length of the investigation make little sense to me. If the accusations are true, how could it possibly be a short investigation?

Edited January 15, 2019 by Kemp

[Deranged Rhino]

6 hours ago, Kemp said:

You didn't say who IS reporting the truth.

 

I answered this. 

 

13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The Truth is being reported in many places. The best lies have 90% truth to them after all. 

 

In order to get the full truth you have to look beyond the basic narrative building done by the establishment media. They've played a significant part in the disinformation campaign waged on the public since late 2016. If you're looking for the full truth, and not a narrative, you must cobble it together yourself from multiple sources. 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 hours ago, Kemp said:

I read it and I am not sure what is on those pages that proves or even hints that Trump has committed no crimes or that indicates that there is nothing odd between Trump and the Russians. 

 

What conclusion have you drawn from those pages?

 

Those pages are not about Trump. They're about the status quo before Trump in two of the DOJ's most powerful departments. The entire origin of the "Russian Collusion/Conspiracy" narrative can be found in that document, and in those pages specifically. 

 

Here's a bit more detail... 

 

On 1/11/2018 at 10:43 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

Oooh boy... 

 

I'm still working through it, but it looks now like Fusion GPS - in its role as a subcontractor for the FBI - was able to gain access to a FBI database of raw SIGINT (from the NSA).  WITHOUT OVERSIGHT - from FISA or anyone:

 

Source: (Pg 83) 

 

"Certain contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems"... In other words, Fusion GPS, a contractor for the FBI during this time, was reading top secret raw SIGNIT collected on Trump's team without having to get FISA warrants or approval from anyone inside the DOJ.  

 

That was until Rogers noticed the unusual number of 702 quarries being filed and investigated in April of 2016 and shut the program down. Rogers saw none of the 702 requests were foreign in nature and acted. This led to 44's administration upping their efforts to fire Adm Rogers - something that surely would have happened had HRC won. 

 

 With the spigot of raw SIGINT shut off, the black hats in the DOJ had to come up with a valid national security excuse for the earlier 702 requests in addition to getting an actual FISA warrant to get around Rogers and continue their intel gathering for their client (the Clinton campaign).  

 

Which is the reason for the dossier's creation in the first place. The black hats in the FBI hired Fusion GPS to use Steele/Ohr (and his wife) to start compiling the dossier in July. In essence, the dossier was the plan B, it was created to justify a FISA warrant which was then used to justify previous 702 quarries and the continued surveillance of select members of team Trump.  

 

 

[Kemp]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I answered this. 

 

 

In order to get the full truth you have to look beyond the basic narrative building done by the establishment media. They've played a significant part in the disinformation campaign waged on the public since late 2016. If you're looking for the full truth, and not a narrative, you must cobble it together yourself from multiple sources. 

 

I didn't see your answer. Who is reporting the truth?

[/dev/null]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

I didn't see your answer. Who is reporting the truth?

 

 

[Kemp]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Those pages are not about Trump. They're about the status quo before Trump in two of the DOJ's most powerful departments. The entire origin of the "Russian Collusion/Conspiracy" narrative can be found in that document, and in those pages specifically. 

 

Here's a bit more detail... 

 

 

 

 

Does this mean that your contention is that DOJ manufactured the collusion/conspiracy narrative?

 

It's my understanding that all of this was started by the Republicans, not the Democrats. Do you agree?

 

None of this disputes all of the evidence of Trump's partiality towards Putin and Russia since then. Do you disagree?

4 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

 

Eric Trump?

[Tiberius]

Hello! 

 

Quote

President Trump privately discussed pulling the United States out of NATO several times over the last year, The New York Times reports. Such a withdrawal would have effectively destroyed the military alliance between the U.S., Europe, and Canada and fulfilled a dream of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Quoting senior administration officials, the Times reports that Trump told his national-security team last summer, around the time of a NATO summit, that he didn’t see the point of the alliance. Although Trump did not take action at that time, the officials are worried he might resurrect the threat because U.S. allies have not stepped up their military spending to his liking. Retired Adm. James G. Stavridis, the former supreme allied commander of NATO, said pulling out of NATO would be “a geopolitical mistake of epic proportion” and “the gift of the century for Putin.”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-repeatedly-discussed-withdrawing-us-from-nato-nyt?ref=home

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Hello! 

 

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-repeatedly-discussed-withdrawing-us-from-nato-nyt?ref=home

how do you propose to get them to pay for their fair share?

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

how do you propose to get them to pay for their fair share?

Don't tell me you're going to try to explain leverage to Gleeful Gator.

[Kemp]

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

how do you propose to get them to pay for their fair share?

 

This is purely Trump idiocy. More money (and safety) comes to the U.S. on the back-end than is being lost up-front. 

NATO promotes peace within Europe and deters major US adversaries from launching large-scale conventional wars. 
 

• World War II cost the United States more than 400,000 lives and an estimated $4.1 trillion (in 2011 dollars). NATO has been key to preserving peace within the European continent and preventing other adversaries from launching a major conventional war. 
• According to credible sources, a major conventional war today could cost the United States upwards of $2.5 trillion per year.
• NATO also promotes the American values of democracy and rule of law. Twenty-six of the twenty-nine NATO member states were labelled as “free” by Freedom House in 2018. By comparison, just 39 percent of the world’s population lives in “free” countries.

NATO is a force multiplier that gives the United States access to military tools in greater numbers than it can achieve by itself.
 

• Non-US NATO members have 1,857,000 active duty service members and 1,232,290 reservists. The seven largest non-US NATO member armies have the same number of active duty troops as the United States (1.3 million).
• Non-US NATO members can deploy 6,983 battle tanks, 34,000 armored vehicles, 2,600 combat aircraft, 382 attack helicopters, 252 major naval craft (including submarines), and 1,582 patrol and surface combatants.
• France and the United Kingdom alone provide 30 percent of the Alliance’s ballistic-missile-submarine fleet.
• NATO's European members are beginning to host the first stages of the Alliance’s new ballistic-missile-defense system aimed at preventing long-range attacks by rogue states on the United States and Europe.
• NATO members frequently share intelligence across the Alliance, aiding US operations and intelligence-gathering. The United Kingdom, France, and Germany alone add 40,000 intelligence personnel to the Alliance’s intelligence capabilities.
• Non-US NATO members host twenty-eight US main operating bases in Europe, which cut down on the time needed for the United States to respond to a crisis and are critical for US missions in the Middle East and North Africa.
• In 2009, for example, Germany contributed $800 million to offset and improve its US bases.

NATO undertakes numerous missions to protect member states and promote security around the globe. 
 

• NATO has five active missions around the world deploying 18,000 troops.
• Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has completed thirteen missions including two in the United States (Hurricane Katrina relief and post-9/11 air reconnaissance patrol).
• NATO allies contributed thousands of troops to the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, including 38,000 in 2011, saving the United States an estimated $49 billion that year. The operation in Afghanistan was the first and only time NATO's mutual defense commitment was invoked.
• Non-US members sustained more than 1,000 combat deaths in Afghanistan, with an additional one hundred lost by NATO partners.
• Non-US NATO members contributed more than 60 percent of assets for Operation Unified Protector in Libya.
• Non-US Coalition members flew one-third of all coalition airstrikes against the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) in Operation Inherent Resolve.
• NATO’s Operation Ocean Shield against piracy in the Gulf of Aden has been led at different times by Denmark, Spain, Norway, Italy, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and Portugal.

NATO supports and protects the economies of Europe, which are critical to the health of the US economy.
 

• US trade with the European Union reached $699 billion in 2015, only made possible because of the security and stability provided by NATO.
• US exports to the former Communist NATO member states (not including East Germany) grew from $0.9 billion in 1989 to $9.4 billion in 2016.
• Non-US NATO members rely heavily on the US defense industry to supply their forces. Currently, European members are planning to purchase as many as 500 new F-35s from the United States.

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

I didn't see your answer. Who is reporting the truth?

Are you dense? That’s the point. The MSM isn’t reporting the facts. DR has posted literally dozens if not hundreds of Primary source documents that have largely gone unreported because they run counter to the coup plotters narrative and their mantra “Orange man bad.”

 

Its only now within the past few weeks that some of what he revealed months and months ago are beginning to come to light and the MSM is doing backflips and painful contortions in their attempt explaining the DOJ and FBI’s corruption in what they did to a legally elected POTUS. What they did was reprehensible and they sullied their organizations with their illegal activities. 

And that’s just the DOJ and FBI. The CIA and NSA have yet to have their time in the barrel. It will come though. It will come. 

 

[Kemp]

3 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Are you dense? That’s the point. The MSM isn’t reporting the facts. DR has posted literally dozens if not hundreds of Primary source documents that have largely gone unreported because they run counter to the coup plotters narrative and their mantra “Orange man bad.”

 

Its only now within the past few weeks that some of what he revealed months and months ago are beginning to come to light and the MSM is doing backflips and painful contortions in their attempt explaining the DOJ and FBI’s corruption in what they did to a legally elected POTUS. What they did was reprehensible and they sullied their organizations with their illegal activities. 

And that’s just the DOJ and FBI. The CIA and NSA have yet to have their time in the barrel. It will come though. It will come. 

 

 

So, no one is reporting the truth? Rhino claims otherwise.

 

But I'm dense.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

how do you propose to get them to pay for their fair share?

We don't. Its the cost of containing Russia. 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Don't tell me you're going to try to explain leverage to Gleeful Gator.

How about treason? Your boy Trump is scumbag Putin sucker 

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

This is purely Trump idiocy. More money (and safety) comes to the U.S. on the back-end than is being lost up-front. 

NATO promotes peace within Europe and deters major US adversaries from launching large-scale conventional wars. 
 

• World War II cost the United States more than 400,000 lives and an estimated $4.1 trillion (in 2011 dollars). NATO has been key to preserving peace within the European continent and preventing other adversaries from launching a major conventional war. 
• According to credible sources, a major conventional war today could cost the United States upwards of $2.5 trillion per year.
• NATO also promotes the American values of democracy and rule of law. Twenty-six of the twenty-nine NATO member states were labelled as “free” by Freedom House in 2018. By comparison, just 39 percent of the world’s population lives in “free” countries.

NATO is a force multiplier that gives the United States access to military tools in greater numbers than it can achieve by itself.
 

• Non-US NATO members have 1,857,000 active duty service members and 1,232,290 reservists. The seven largest non-US NATO member armies have the same number of active duty troops as the United States (1.3 million).
• Non-US NATO members can deploy 6,983 battle tanks, 34,000 armored vehicles, 2,600 combat aircraft, 382 attack helicopters, 252 major naval craft (including submarines), and 1,582 patrol and surface combatants.
• France and the United Kingdom alone provide 30 percent of the Alliance’s ballistic-missile-submarine fleet.
• NATO's European members are beginning to host the first stages of the Alliance’s new ballistic-missile-defense system aimed at preventing long-range attacks by rogue states on the United States and Europe.
• NATO members frequently share intelligence across the Alliance, aiding US operations and intelligence-gathering. The United Kingdom, France, and Germany alone add 40,000 intelligence personnel to the Alliance’s intelligence capabilities.
• Non-US NATO members host twenty-eight US main operating bases in Europe, which cut down on the time needed for the United States to respond to a crisis and are critical for US missions in the Middle East and North Africa.
• In 2009, for example, Germany contributed $800 million to offset and improve its US bases.

NATO undertakes numerous missions to protect member states and promote security around the globe. 
 

• NATO has five active missions around the world deploying 18,000 troops.
• Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has completed thirteen missions including two in the United States (Hurricane Katrina relief and post-9/11 air reconnaissance patrol).
• NATO allies contributed thousands of troops to the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, including 38,000 in 2011, saving the United States an estimated $49 billion that year. The operation in Afghanistan was the first and only time NATO's mutual defense commitment was invoked.
• Non-US members sustained more than 1,000 combat deaths in Afghanistan, with an additional one hundred lost by NATO partners.
• Non-US NATO members contributed more than 60 percent of assets for Operation Unified Protector in Libya.
• Non-US Coalition members flew one-third of all coalition airstrikes against the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) in Operation Inherent Resolve.
• NATO’s Operation Ocean Shield against piracy in the Gulf of Aden has been led at different times by Denmark, Spain, Norway, Italy, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and Portugal.

NATO supports and protects the economies of Europe, which are critical to the health of the US economy.
 

• US trade with the European Union reached $699 billion in 2015, only made possible because of the security and stability provided by NATO.
• US exports to the former Communist NATO member states (not including East Germany) grew from $0.9 billion in 1989 to $9.4 billion in 2016.
• Non-US NATO members rely heavily on the US defense industry to supply their forces. Currently, European members are planning to purchase as many as 500 new F-35s from the United States.

 

Did you write that yourself?

Because if you copied it from someplace, you really should provide a link or direct people to your source. 

 

 

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

how do you propose to get them to pay for their fair share?

 

Duh, you just up their tax rate to 70%.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Duh, you just up their tax rate to 70%.

Ya, or just let Russia take care of them. Trump and Putin are happy with that. 

[Nanker]

58 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

So, no one is reporting the truth? Rhino claims otherwise.

 

But I'm dense.

Yes, you are.