DC Tom Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, peace out said: I know you agree with this as you said as much yesterday. It won't be me insisting it's false. Never stopped you and the rest of the Band of Idiots before.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, peace out said: If the judge thought (any of!) the charges has no real teeth he would have rescinded the charges like you and Trump Nation predicted prior to the trial. It's not over yet. But the charges don't have teeth. Logan Act violations have only been successfully prosecuted twice (I think, commuting so I don't have easy access at the moment). Logan Act does not equal treason. By getting the SCO to admit the most they could hang on him is a Logan Act charge, it puts all the "treason" talk to rest. Remember there is a classified DIA memo about FIG which Grassley requested and still has not been delivered - here's a hint as to what will be revealed in that document: FIG was bait. Flynn was working with the FBI in 2016 (and being paid for it) to run FIG as an op. Edited December 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino
DC Tom Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: It's not over yet. This is a key point. Whatever motives you want to ascribe to Sullivan, two incontrovertible facts are: 1) Sullivan did not void the guilty plea, as he could do if he believed it appropriate, and 2) Sullivan did not sentence Flynn, which he also could have done, given it was a sentencing hearing. All these arguments about "what it all means" miss the bigger picture: it means it's not resolved yet. It's still open and ongoing. That in itself speaks volumes...though what it speaks to, I again won't speculate. 2
Tiberius Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "Arguably" does not mean it happened, nor does it mean the judge is saying that's what happened. Words matter. LOL, ya, sure. It's not seriously arguable the FBI set him up. Flynn said so himself
Nanker Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 I think there's more than the Logan act he might be facing. I think he's protecting his son and perhaps others. The agreement with Mueller is contingent on his accepting the "guilty" plea and sticking with that. He won't have any jail time if he does. If he crosses Mueller, he and his son (and perhaps others) will be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some. He doesn't have the $ to fight it any further. 3
Tiberius Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Never stopped you and the rest of the Band of Idiots before. A Trumptard calling someone else an idiot. Interesting
Warren Zevon Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's not over yet. No *****! That's my point. There are not facts in the situation yet because it's not over - only speculation. Save this discussion for the actual sentencing. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, peace out said: No *****! That's my point. There are not facts in the situation yet because it's not over - only speculation. Save this discussion for the actual sentencing. But speculating is 90% of the meat of this conversation in this thread.
Warren Zevon Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 It took 376 pages for us to almost agree on something Progress 1
Warren Zevon Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: But speculating is 90% of the meat of this conversation in this thread. Indeed - probably even closer to 95% - literally all I was saying is don't call something a fact when it's speculation.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 Also, re FIG and the FBI connection:
snafu Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: This is a key point. Whatever motives you want to ascribe to Sullivan, two incontrovertible facts are: 1) Sullivan did not void the guilty plea, as he could do if he believed it appropriate, and 2) Sullivan did not sentence Flynn, which he also could have done, given it was a sentencing hearing. All these arguments about "what it all means" miss the bigger picture: it means it's not resolved yet. It's still open and ongoing. That in itself speaks volumes...though what it speaks to, I again won't speculate. This is why all the press reports and comments on this thread are a waste of time. It is extremely difficult to ascribe motive to a Judge's line of questioning. It is extremely difficult to predict what a Judge will do. There's absolutely no one here -- or in that Courtroom yesterday --who will accurately predict the outcome. I don't think the Judge could at this point. I'm sure he's on to other things and will take it up again in his mind at some future date. 1
Tiberius Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: He said some of it might be wrong, but the main point is totally right. And all those contacts, the letter of intent Trump signed, the lies, etc., prove the main points of the dossier. Isikoff doubts the Prague meeting, though
Deranged Rhino Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He said some of it might be wrong, but the main point is totally right. And all those contacts, the letter of intent Trump signed, the lies, etc., prove the main points of the dossier. Isikoff doubts the Prague meeting, though That's an inaccurate summary... none of the dossier's most salacious or upsetting claims have been verified. Most of its most ardent supporters have moved away from the dossier saying it no longer matters. It absolutely matters as it's the basis of several illegal FISA warrants on American citizens, not to mention it was the talking point for the information campaign waged by the MSM and USIC on this subject.
Tiberius Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's an inaccurate summary... none of the dossier's most salacious or upsetting claims have been verified. Most of its most ardent supporters have moved away from the dossier saying it no longer matters. It absolutely matters as it's the basis of several illegal FISA warrants on American citizens, not to mention it was the talking point for the information campaign waged by the MSM and USIC on this subject. It was 100% correct that there was a connection between Trump and Russia. His attempt to get his hotel built there is proof of that. And that's just one example.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: It was 100% correct that there was a connection between Trump and Russia. His attempt to get his hotel built there is proof of that. And that's just one example. That was public knowledge before the dossier, and is not illegal or a sign of any collusion.
Koko78 Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That was public knowledge before the dossier, and is not illegal or a sign of any collusion. Please. Next you'll be telling us that Trump selling condos to Russians back in the 1980's and 1990's isn't clear and conclusive proof of Russian collusion. Do you really think that businessmen are in the business of making money or something? 1
outsidethebox Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 4 hours ago, peace out said: Indeed - probably even closer to 95% - literally all I was saying is don't call something a fact when it's speculation. Lol, you and the rest of your hypocrites aught to take your own advice. You have no problem calling collusion without any evidence.
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2018 Posted December 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: He said some of it might be wrong, but the main point is totally right. And all those contacts, the letter of intent Trump signed, the lies, etc., prove the main points of the dossier. Isikoff doubts the Prague meeting, though You don't have a ***** clue what a Letter of Intent consists of. Tell me what the address of the property was, the price and the other contingencies were or else stfu about something you know nothing about. 1
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