Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) New filing in the Flynn matter: So, the SCO did file the original 302 - but under seal (trying to hide it). Now the judge orders the DOJ to make the original 302 public (but redacted) the day before the hearing. More signs the case will be overturned/thrown out. Edited December 17, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 46 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: New filing in the Flynn matter: So, the SCO did file the original 302 - but under seal (trying to hide it). Now the judge orders the DOJ to make the original 302 public (but redacted) the day before the hearing. More signs the case will be overturned/thrown out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Page sends Strzok a text message on 2.14.2017 launch on f302 On 2.15.2017 Strzok filed his 302 against Flynn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Thanks for posting the 302. Without seeing the government's evidence it's hard to say if Flynn lied or couldn't recall something. In the end though, here is a guy who was under surveillance, had contact with a Russian counterpart and is being charged with nothing remotely close to collusion. He was under a microscope and thoroughly investigated and the government has nothing even after using some very questionable tactics to spy on him and interview him casually. Mueller and co squeezed everything they could out of the guy. Flynn's living in a ***** storm but the book or the movie down the road will likely reward him and exonerate him well. If the judge throws the thing out, he won't be bound by the plea agreement and can go on offense against a number of people. That would be a big turn of events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Thanks for posting the 302. Without seeing the government's evidence it's hard to say if Flynn lied or couldn't recall something. In the end though, here is a guy who was under surveillance, had contact with a Russian counterpart and is being charged with nothing remotely close to collusion. He was under a microscope and thoroughly investigated and the government has nothing even after using some very questionable tactics to spy on him and interview him casually. Mueller and co squeezed everything they could out of the guy. Flynn's living in a ***** storm but the book or the movie down the road will likely reward him and exonerate him well. If the judge throws the thing out, he won't be bound by the plea agreement and can go on offense against a number of people. That would be a big turn of events. I wonder how much the judge looks at those Page/Strzok text messages? It is clear there was collusion (ha!) on the part of McCabe, Strzok, Page vis-à-vis the Flynn 302. In addition to the one I posted above, this one from Strzok to Page is also a beauty:Also, is Andy good with F 302? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Page sends Strzok a text message on 2.14.2017 launch on f302 On 2.15.2017 Strzok filed his 302 against Flynn. 2-14, eh? Any chance her message was in code? It was an important date for the two lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Thanks for posting the 302. Without seeing the government's evidence it's hard to say if Flynn lied or couldn't recall something. In the end though, here is a guy who was under surveillance, had contact with a Russian counterpart and is being charged with nothing remotely close to collusion. He was under a microscope and thoroughly investigated and the government has nothing even after using some very questionable tactics to spy on him and interview him casually. Mueller and co squeezed everything they could out of the guy. Flynn's living in a ***** storm but the book or the movie down the road will likely reward him and exonerate him well. If the judge throws the thing out, he won't be bound by the plea agreement and can go on offense against a number of people. That would be a big turn of events. 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I wonder how much the judge looks at those Page/Strzok text messages? It is clear there was collusion (ha!) on the part of McCabe, Strzok, Page vis-à-vis the Flynn 302. In addition to the one I posted above, this one from Strzok to Page is also a beauty:Also, is Andy good with F 302? Just got a chance to read it... a couple things to consider: 1) The text messages make it pretty clear what happened: The original 302 was filed in February and likely indicated that Flynn did not lie. After Comey gets fired, and McCabe is installed as acting director with the SCO on its way, McCabe/Strzok go back into the 302 and change it - backdating it to February and slapping DRAFT on top of it to explain why a new one as filed many weeks later (as BuffaloGal indicates here). 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Page sends Strzok a text message on 2.14.2017 launch on f302 On 2.15.2017 Strzok filed his 302 against Flynn. 2) The real giveaway in all this is the fact that the SCO redacted the name of the agent who accompanied Strzok to the interview with Flynn. The name of the agent is public, it's known (Pientka) - if it's being redacted by the SCO that means he's a witness in an ongoing investigation connected to all this. I'm sure there are things that are still unknown but the only known reason for Pientka to be a witness in anything involving Flynn, is in regards to this original 302 he likely wrote. Strzok/McCabe edited his 302 (and slapped DRAFT on it to hide the trail)... Pientka is the only one who could speak to that issue. Lastly, but perhaps most important: 3) The SCO wanted zero jail time for Flynn. Bringing this all into the light with a hostile sentencing memo as we saw, puts that outcome in jeopardy. If Flynn was a broken man, financially and mentally, he'd be eager to end this as quickly as possible and wouldn't risk overturning the apple cart. Same logic would apply if he were an "eager witness" out to "get Trump" with Mueller. Either Flynn got some terrible legal advice... or something else entirely is happening (which has been covered at length in this thread). Tomorrow will be interesting. There's also this to consider: ... Mueller is drawing Sullivan's eye to it, after trying to hide it under seal. ... And this (bait / setting the trap) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Other questions being asked... a 302 is supposed to be written within 5 days. Why the delay? Edited? Crafted? Who really wrote it? And was it under guidance? All tying into your pointing out @Deranged Rhino that Pientka's name, while known, has been redacted - an indication that he is involved in an ongoing investigation (which means Page already spilled the beans so what is Mueller up to?) Anyone know how much of the redacted material Judge Sullivan can read and see? All of it? So, now what? Tomorrow will indeed be interesting. Judge Sullivan is no dummy and he has seen government shenanigans before and does not appear to be amused by them. What does he do about it? Vacate the plea? Smack Mueller around for the camera (please, please, please!)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: @Deranged Rhino Anyone know how much of the redacted material Judge Sullivan can read and see? All of it? The Judge's request to make a redacted version public seems to suggest that the Judge saw the unredacted version that was sealed. The Judge says he agrees with government's suggested redaction. That says to me that the Judge has read the original and agrees the redaction is appropriate. Edited December 18, 2018 by keepthefaith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: The Judge's request to make a redacted version public seems to suggest that the Judge saw the unredacted version that was sealed. The Judge says he agrees with government's suggested redaction. That says to me that the Judge has read the original and agrees the redaction is appropriate. That's correct. The Judge has seen everything in full, with no redactions. He then ordered them to make public the filing which the SCO had tried to keep under seal. Based on the judge's history - and the unusual circumstances under which he took over this case - that seems to suggest it's going to be a good day for Flynn tomorrow... But I guess we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 A RATHER STRONG STATEMENT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: . 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hillary Clinton Blames F.B.I. Director for Election Loss By Amy Chozick Nov. 12, 2016 Hillary Clinton on Saturday cast blame for her surprise election loss on the announcement by the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, days before the election that he had revived the inquiry into her use of a private email server. Mrs. Clinton said a second letter from Mr. Comey, clearing her once again, which came two days before Election Day, had been even more damaging. In that letter, Mr. Comey said an examination of a new trove of emails, which had been found on the computer of Anthony D. Weiner, the estranged husband of one of her top aides, had not caused him to change his earlier conclusion that Mrs. Clinton should face no charges over her handling of classified information. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-james-comey.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 “Lock him Up,” of Course We Mean Flynn, But Lock Him Up Last By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor -April 28, 2017 WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT FLYNN WATCHED THOSE AROUND HIM AT THE PENTAGON MAKE MILLIONS IN THE DRUG TRADE IN AFGHANISTAN, WATCHED SECRETS FLOW TO ISRAEL AND FROM THERE TO RUSSIA AND CHINA AND WATCHED IT DONE PUBLICLY. HE SAW LITTLE BUT TREASON AROUND HIM. IN THE END WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT FLYNN GOT MUCH MORE THAN THE $60K FROM RUSSIA AND THE NEARLY $600K THE FAR MORE DANGEROUS TURKS HANDED HIM. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/04/28/lock-him-up-of-course-we-mean-flynn-but-lock-him-up-last/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Flynn seems to be getting off easy after trying to get a man sent back to Turkey to certain death, with Flynn making a good profit off the deal. Blood money, indeed. Be interesting to see what the judge does here today. The idea that Flynn is simply a pawn who got roped in is just preposterous. He was using his position corruptly and got caught in multiple lies, not just the one where he was impeding Muellers investigation. Quote The indictment lays out a kickback scheme that made it seem as if a Turkish businessman was the Flynn Intel Group’s client, when, in fact, it was the Turkish government. It says Flynn and Kian met with high-level Turkish officials in New York in September 2016 about the effort — despite Flynn having said that it was just to gain background about the country. As The Post’s Rachel Weiner, Carol D. Leonnig and Matt Zapotosky write: The indictment demonstrates the extent to which Flynn was secretly working to advance the interests of his Turkish clients while publicly serving as a key surrogate to Donald Trump and auditioning for a role in his administration. According to the newly unsealed court document, Flynn was texting and emailing frequently about how to advance the Turkish agenda throughout the final weeks of the presidential campaign. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/17/michael-flynn-fbi-conspiracy-theories-suffer-major-setback/?utm_term=.9b873c5fce99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Regarding the video above Comey goes completely bat-guano after his stagey appearance on the Hill, pulls a "Sunset Boulevard" in capitol hallway. Comey ducks question about his memos leaking classified information, turns away by Thomas Lifson Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Quote Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump FollowFollow @realDonaldTrump Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion! 3:41 AM - 18 Dec 2018 .Flynn's son: Quote Michael Flynn Jr ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ @mflynnJR 2h2 hours ago More Michael Flynn Jr ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️Retweeted Donald J. Trump Thank you Mr. President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, peace out said: That's like taking a picture of New Era Field two hours before kickoff, Gary. Your Mother Jones writer is not only disingenuous but stupid. Some of us aren't idiots like her normal readership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: That's like taking a picture of New Era Field two hours before kickoff, Gary. Your Mother Jones writer is not only disingenuous but stupid. Some of us aren't idiots like her normal readership. Nice try, dweeb. It would be like taking a picture 39 minutes after kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Go back to her Twitter account and scroll down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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