DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[DC Tom]

  On 12/1/2017 at 6:49 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

How?

 

According to the charges, Flynn is being charged for lying to the FBI about the same issue he "lied" to Pence about and got him fired. The events took place after the election, and have nothing to do with collusion to rig the election. 

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Don't confuse Logic.  He's not used to logic.

[Warren Zevon]

  On 12/1/2017 at 7:45 PM, PastaJoe said:

Quid pro quo. Trump campaign solicits help from Russia to hurt Clinton and aid Trump. We know about Don Jr's meeting, and Trump's own words, "Russia, I hope your listening...".  What else was done that isn't yet public? Trump wins electoral college after Russian bots spread fake news in close states. Flynn then instructed by "high level official" to assure Russia that they shouldn't worry about new sanctions being imposed by Obama, which violates the Logan Act. Then as president Trump asks Comey to stop pursuing Flynn. Trump then fired an uncooperative Comey.  Obstruction of justice. Trump then asks Republicans in Congress to back off investigation. And that's only what is known publicly to-date. Quid pro quo.

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This is a good summary of where the facts reported thus far are leading.

[Doc Brown]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:06 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's a clear sign that he's cooperating with the investigation. These charges keep him on the hook effectively.

 

What's still not clear is where Mueller's investigation has shifted and what he's really investigating.

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I'm just wondering if Flynn could have been charged with more serious charges and wasn't because he has damaging information on somebody higher up.  It's all speculation at this point though because obviously we don't know exactly what Mueller is doing.

[DC Tom]

  On 12/1/2017 at 7:01 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So, you're speculating but touting it as fact. 

 

Got it.

 

And if you think Tom is on board with my speculations you're even more ignorant than people say.

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He doesn't recognize that you can disagree with someone respectfully.  He also doesn't realize that you can agree with someone and still think they're a retard because their thought process is so bass-ackwards and !@#$ed sideways.

 

It's less ignorance than it is immaturity.

  On 12/1/2017 at 7:45 PM, PastaJoe said:

Quid pro quo. Trump campaign solicits help from Russia to hurt Clinton and aid Trump. We know about Don Jr's meeting, and Trump's own words, "Russia, I hope your listening...".  What else was done that isn't yet public? Trump wins electoral college after Russian bots spread fake news in close states. Flynn then instructed by "high level official" to assure Russia that they shouldn't worry about new sanctions being imposed by Obama, which violates the Logan Act. Then as president Trump asks Comey to stop pursuing Flynn. Trump then fired an uncooperative Comey.  Obstruction of justice. Trump then asks Republicans in Congress to back off investigation. And that's only what is known publicly to-date. Quid pro quo.

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It's amazing you don't understand how thoroughly stupid this all sounds.  Russian bots on the internet targeted specific states?  What the hell kind of internet are you using?

[GoBills808]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:12 PM, Doc Brown said:

I'm just wondering if Flynn could have been charged with more serious charges and wasn't because he has damaging information on somebody higher up.  It's all speculation at this point though because obviously we don't know exactly what Mueller is doing.

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I think once you start looking into a guy like Flynn and what he was doing with FIG and whatnot, you're almost bound to come up with something...it's kind of an interesting peek into that realm of how decisions get made below the waterline, and you have to imagine there are a lot of organizations and people who, if under federal or quasi-federal investigation, would come up similarly dirty. IMO pleading down to lying to FBI is a no brainer for a guy in his position.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:12 PM, DC Tom said:

 

He doesn't recognize that you can disagree with someone respectfully.  He also doesn't realize that you can agree with someone and still think they're a retard because their thought process is so bass-ackwards and !@#$ed sideways.

 

It's less ignorance than it is immaturity.

 

It's amazing you don't understand how thoroughly stupid this all sounds.  Russian bots on the internet targeted specific states?  What the hell kind of internet are you using?

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You don't know that specific people can be targeted for ads? 

[row_33]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:12 PM, Doc Brown said:

I'm just wondering if Flynn could have been charged with more serious charges and wasn't because he has damaging information on somebody higher up.  It's all speculation at this point though because obviously we don't know exactly what Mueller is doing.

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He's acting like we didn't know all this about Flynn when Trump got rid of him almost a year ago.

 

Processed crimes, way to go Special Prosecutor!!

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

I guess it's a wise short term dodge to try and make this all about the election "no one thought Trump could win." The talk jocks on WBEN are following this line. But for anyone that has followed this knows Trump was probably compromised way before the election with money laundering and wotnot. Trump was trying to protect Flynn for a reason, and that reason does not necessarily have to be about the election meddling by the Russians, though it would be surprising if there wasn't collusion there 

[GoBills808]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:44 PM, row_33 said:

 

He's acting like we didn't know all this about Flynn when Trump got rid of him almost a year ago.

 

Processed crimes, way to go Special Prosecutor!!

 

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This is the office displaying their leverage as they continue. It's meant to be more informative than revelatory IMO.

[row_33]

and I fully understand the Dems and Mueller milking a bogus situation, like Wilt Chamberlain would milk a bogus injury in the playoffs.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[row_33]

yes, it's December, time to get going on the new Admin and foreign policy

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 12/1/2017 at 9:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

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He is also the one that wanted the secret back channel set up through the Russian embassy 

 

 

[DC Tom]

  On 12/1/2017 at 9:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

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Ehen did Kushner become a senior official?  And why did Flynn think he was required to take direction from the President's son-in-law?  

 

Kushner should have just ordered the Navy around.  No one gives a **** when Presidential children do that...

[Warren Zevon]

  On 12/1/2017 at 8:53 PM, Tiberius said:

I guess it's a wise short term dodge to try and make this all about the election "no one thought Trump could win." The talk jocks on WBEN are following this line. But for anyone that has followed this knows Trump was probably compromised way before the election with money laundering and wotnot. Trump was trying to protect Flynn for a reason, and that reason does not necessarily have to be about the election meddling by the Russians, though it would be surprising if there wasn't collusion there 

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Bellavia is out of his freakin' mind

 

So is Bauerle but we've known that for years

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[26CornerBlitz]

  On 12/1/2017 at 9:18 PM, DC Tom said:

 

Ehen did Kushner become a senior official?  And why did Flynn think he was required to take direction from the President's son-in-law?  

 

Kushner should have just ordered the Navy around.  No one gives a **** when Presidential children do that...

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When he received a Government Security Clearance with access in the WH and made official trips to conduct government business.

[B-Man]

Charge Against Flynn Is More Evidence that Mueller Has Nothing

by John Hinderaker

 

News media are breathlessly reporting that Gen. Michael Flynn has agreed to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. You can read the Statement of the Offense here. The false statements alleged by the government seem rather pathetic:

 

1) Flynn falsely told an FBI agent that he didn’t ask the Russian ambassador to “refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions” the U.S. had just imposed, and

2) that he didn’t recall the ambassador subsequently telling him that the Russians had moderated their response per his request;

3) Flynn falsely said that he didn’t ask the Russian ambassador to delay or defeat a pending U.N. Security Council resolution, and

4) that the ambassador never subsequently described his country’s response to that request. (Flynn tried, unsuccessfully, to convince several members of the Security Council, including Russia, not to proceed with an anti-Israel resolution. This is to his, and President Trump’s credit.)

 

That’s it, after a year of huffing and puffing. Nothing about the election, nothing about the long-awaited “collusion” between the Trump campaign and Russia. I have no idea why Flynn apparently lied to an FBI agent, assuming that he did. But the communications described in the information are exactly the sorts of contacts that a national security advisor to an incoming president should be having with foreign powers.

 

In short, the allegations against Flynn suggest that Robert Mueller has nothing significant against President Trump or other members of his administration.

The press, of course, is gleeful. ABC‘s headline blares, “Flynn Prepared To Testify Against Trump, Trump Family, White House Staff.” Really? Testify to what?

 

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 of course, there is nothing wrong with directing Flynn to make contact with the Russians. ABC says this is contrary to statements that Trump has made, but I don’t know whether that is true or not. It would require considerable research into Trump’s many statements to discern whether he has said that he never directed Flynn to contact any Russian on any subject.

 

In any event, what is the point? Contacting foreign governments was part of Flynn’s job, and directing Flynn to contact foreign governments was part of Trump’s job.

 

In the information filed against Flynn, what is most important is what is not there–the dog that isn’t barking

 

W]hen a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation. That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

 

I suppose it is still possible that Mueller could still surprise us, but General Flynn was supposed to be the key witness, and he apparently has little or nothing to say that is newsworthy.

 

 

 

More at the link....................

 

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[row_33]

Process crime, woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........

[GG]

  On 12/1/2017 at 9:21 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

When he received a Government Security Clearance with access in the WH and made official trips to conduct government business.

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He got that in December 2016?

[westerndecline]

  On 12/1/2017 at 9:28 PM, B-Man said:

Charge Against Flynn Is More Evidence that Mueller Has Nothing

by John Hinderaker

 

News media are breathlessly reporting that Gen. Michael Flynn has agreed to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. You can read the Statement of the Offense here. The false statements alleged by the government seem rather pathetic:

 

1) Flynn falsely told an FBI agent that he didn’t ask the Russian ambassador to “refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions” the U.S. had just imposed, and

2) that he didn’t recall the ambassador subsequently telling him that the Russians had moderated their response per his request;

3) Flynn falsely said that he didn’t ask the Russian ambassador to delay or defeat a pending U.N. Security Council resolution, and

4) that the ambassador never subsequently described his country’s response to that request. (Flynn tried, unsuccessfully, to convince several members of the Security Council, including Russia, not to proceed with an anti-Israel resolution. This is to his, and President Trump’s credit.)

 

That’s it, after a year of huffing and puffing. Nothing about the election, nothing about the long-awaited “collusion” between the Trump campaign and Russia. I have no idea why Flynn apparently lied to an FBI agent, assuming that he did. But the communications described in the information are exactly the sorts of contacts that a national security advisor to an incoming president should be having with foreign powers.

 

In short, the allegations against Flynn suggest that Robert Mueller has nothing significant against President Trump or other members of his administration.

The press, of course, is gleeful. ABC‘s headline blares, “Flynn Prepared To Testify Against Trump, Trump Family, White House Staff.” Really? Testify to what?

 

{snip}

 

 of course, there is nothing wrong with directing Flynn to make contact with the Russians. ABC says this is contrary to statements that Trump has made, but I don’t know whether that is true or not. It would require considerable research into Trump’s many statements to discern whether he has said that he never directed Flynn to contact any Russian on any subject.

 

In any event, what is the point? Contacting foreign governments was part of Flynn’s job, and directing Flynn to contact foreign governments was part of Trump’s job.

 

In the information filed against Flynn, what is most important is what is not there–the dog that isn’t barking

 

W]hen a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation. That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

 

I suppose it is still possible that Mueller could still surprise us, but General Flynn was supposed to be the key witness, and he apparently has little or nothing to say that is newsworthy.

 

 

 

More at the link....................

 

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Gotta wonder how much this bull **** will

Cost the taxpayers. Maybe Mueller can hire ten more lawyers and staff to investigate trumps Twitter rants at 3am

 

 

Why isn't he banging Mrs trump.

 

 

Never mind