Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So, any “collusion “ convictions yet? Or for that matter any convictions from 2016? Never were going to be any with Special Counsel's broad powers. As predicted by most on here, it was going to be some kind of unrelated financial crime. I thought it would be money laundering or bank fraud. To quote Trump, "We'll see what happens." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: Never were going to be any with Special Counsel's broad powers. As predicted by most on here, it was going to be some kind of unrelated financial crime. I thought it would be money laundering or bank fraud. To quote Trump, "We'll see what happens." Exactly, which is why trump is yet again right about this being a baseless witch hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I want to know how Lanny Davis (the Clinton "fixer") who is Cohen's attorney has kept the Clintons messes at bay for eons, but the best he can do for Cohen is get him jail time for a fine-crime (and why)? Things that make you go hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Reminder: Cohen's plea agreement stems from no actions other than giving money to a porn star for the rights to her story. That's it. That's the earth-shaking event the Democrats are certain are going to topple Nazi takeover of our country. A porn purchase. Cooperation, ya, can't ya see? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Exactly, which is why trump is yet again right about this being a baseless witch hunt Mueller is not in charge of the Cohen case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 This was an interference, illegal interference, in the 2016 election. Illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I’ll take that as a no. I guess Michael Cohen testifying in a courtroom in SDNY, under oath, that the President of the United States directed him to commit a federal crime, doesn't matter to you. If it doesn't have the word "collusion" attached, it's irrelevant, right? Cool. At least we know where you stand. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^solid logic^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I also love that Trump supporters -- members of the "law and order party" and who chanted "Lock her up!" as recently as, oh...TODAY -- are now having to take the position of defending the ever more indefensible crimes and actions of the assorted cadre of shady slugs that cling to Trump like stink to ****. Cosmic comedy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Logic said: I also love that Trump supporters -- members of the "law and order party" and who chanted "Lock her up!" as recently as, oh...TODAY -- are now having to take the position of defending the ever more indefensible crimes and actions of the assorted cadre of shady slugs that cling to Trump like stink to ****. Cosmic comedy. Crimes by Manafort from 2010-2015 (when who was President) are Trump-related because.... ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Logic said: I also love that Trump supporters -- members of the "law and order party" and who chanted "Lock her up!" as recently as, oh...TODAY -- are now having to take the position of defending the ever more indefensible crimes and actions of the assorted cadre of shady slugs that cling to Trump like stink to ****. Cosmic comedy. I was never a fan of the "lock her up" chant. It sounded too much like a banana republic. I would argue that Democrats care about as much about Trump allegedly violating campaign finance laws as much as Republicans did when Bill Clinton committed perjury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 From John Hindraker The Manafort charges had nothing to do with Donald Trump, nothing to do with the 2016 election, and nothing to do with Russian participation in the 2016 election. So Bob Mueller could only have brought the case in order to put pressure on Manafort to come up with some “dirt” on Mueller’s target, President Trump. As far as we know, Manafort has no dirt to give. Meanwhile, and almost simultaneously, former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guiltyto a series of offenses. Mostly, the counts relate to tax evasion. The only politically significant counts, as I understand it, relate to Cohen’s role in paying off Stephanie Clifford (“Stormy Daniels”) to keep quiet about her sexual encounter with Trump. It is not illegal to pay someone to remain silent. The theory here is that the money paid to Clifford was an illegal campaign contribution. Since Cohen says he made the payment to Clifford at Trump’s direction, Mueller is trying to ensnare Trump in that “crime.” To my knowledge, there is no legal authority on whether paying a woman to keep her mouth shut constitutes a campaign contribution. It strikes me as a foolish interpretation of the law, and forcing Cohen to plead guilty to the “crime” of paying off Ms. Clifford doesn’t transform it into a crime. None of this would be happening, of course, but for Bob Mueller’s effort to drive President Trump from office on behalf of his de facto client, the Democratic Party. In a nauseating bit of hypocrisy, Deputy U.S. attorney Robert Khuzami said today that “The essence of what this case is about is justice, and that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law….” Equal justice has nothing to do with this prosecution. Michael Cohen was targeted solely because he was Trump’s personal lawyer, and enforcement of campaign finance law is anything but equal. Just ask Dinesh D’Souza. As we and others have said many times, what is going on in the courts is mostly theater–unless, of course, you are Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen. President Trump can’t be indicted, so legal niceties are not very material. The Mueller Switch Project has three objectives: 1) furnish House Democrats (assuming they take the majority in November) with ammunition to impeach the President; 2) help the Democrats to win the midterm elections; and 3) make President Trump’s re-election less likely in 2020. Today’s legal developments unquestionably represent a step forward for the Democrats on all three fronts. But in principle, there is no reason why they should change the landscape. Manafort’s conviction has nothing to do with Trump. And no matter how Mueller may try to dress it up with talk about campaign finance–which voters don’t care about, anyway–the Cohen plea simply confirms what we already knew–that Trump tried to keep Stephanie Clifford quiet. That may be a big deal to Melania, I can’t speak for her. But I doubt that it is a big deal to a significant number of voters, and I doubt that tomorrow’s headlines will move the needle on the midterm election. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/a-bad-day-in-court.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Crimes by Manafort from 2010-2015 (when who was President) are Trump-related because.... ??? crimes by Cohen related to the campaign???? r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Logic said: I guess Michael Cohen testifying in a courtroom in SDNY, under oath, that the President of the United States directed him to commit a federal crime, doesn't matter to you. If it doesn't have the word "collusion" attached, it's irrelevant, right? Cool. At least we know where you stand. Cohen: evading personal income taxes, making an unlawful corporate campaign contribution, making a false statement to a financial institution, and making an excessive campaign contribution in October 2016. The statement was red-meat for the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Cohen: evading personal income taxes, making an unlawful corporate campaign contribution, making a false statement to a financial institution, and making an excessive campaign contribution in October 2016. The statement was red-meat for the left. Well...............that certainly help beat Hillary .... Yep ..................the election was "fixed".....................proof positive..................lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well...............that certainly help beat Hillary .... Yep ..................the election was "fixed".....................proof positive..................lol . do you deny that a crime was committed vis a vis campaign finance law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: do you deny that a crime was committed vis a vis campaign finance law? Do you agree russian collusion is total bs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I was never a fan of the "lock her up" chant. It sounded too much like a banana republic. I would argue that Democrats care about as much about Trump allegedly violating campaign finance laws as much as Republicans did when Bill Clinton committed perjury. I'd argue the Democrats cared as much about Obama violating campaign finance laws and paying fines to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars as... wait. I don't know where I was going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, westside said: Do you agree russian collusion is total bs? has nothing to do with the question I asked...Cohen admitted to campaign finance law violation...do y'all somehow deny this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: has nothing to do with the question I asked...Cohen admitted to campaign finance law violation...do y'all somehow deny this happened? Did you care when Obama did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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