row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, njbuff said: It has become abundantly clear that the President needs to declassify all the information in these cases to get to the bottom of everything. No one can obstruct the President from invoking his power to do this and it’s getting to the point that he almost has to declassify information. why bother
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 This is old news that never went mainstream. Now it (hopefully) is. A huge "coincidence", I'm sure.
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: why bother To get a clearer picture.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: It has become abundantly clear that the President needs to declassify all the information in these cases to get to the bottom of everything. No one can obstruct the President from invoking his power to do this and it’s getting to the point that he almost has to declassify information. I do think that's coming, just not sure when. It's a bit early at the moment if their plan is to make a big impact on the midterms... mid-late September would seem like the best time. Gives people enough time to read/absorb the information while not giving the guilty parties enough time to spin enough to change the outcome at the ballot box.
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is old news that never went mainstream. Now it (hopefully) is. A huge "coincidence", I'm sure. This thing is a mess on the Democratic side, but I’ll give them credit for putting all the blame on Trump accusing him of the things that the Dems ACTUALLY did. Trump haters everywhere in this country have bought it hook, line and sinker. You don’t have to like Trump to want to get to the bottom of how things have really happened or happening.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) ****************************** Speaking of CrowdStrike - 26, this is also why the FBI blew it by not examining the server themselves. The connections between CrowdStrike, the victims, the investigators, and Mueller is the stuff that births conspiracy theories. Who's shocked? *************************************** I know he's divisive, but Tucker nails it here. Worth the time to watch and read in full: (Full segment from Tucker) Then compare it to this, a man who literally made a movie about how the Intel agencies lied us into war: The dishonesty of those on the left - former champions of thwarting the power of the surveillance state and unchecked IC growth are now racing to join their side and believing them hook line and sinker without nary a hint of evidence. This is what a lack of principles looks like. Edited July 18, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1
26CornerBlitz Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ****************************** Speaking of CrowdStrike - 26, this is also why the FBI blew it by not examining the server themselves. The connections between CrowdStrike, the victims, the investigators, and Mueller is the stuff that births conspiracy theories. Who's shocked? This is not the industry standard way to perform forensic analysis.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: This is not the industry standard way to perform forensic analysis. It is the SOP for criminal investigations however. And that's the key.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It is the SOP for criminal investigations however. And that's the key. Disagree. The physical server provide zero added value.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Disagree. The physical server provide zero added value. ...Except in verifying the images given to you by one of the victims of the attack, with a financial and political motivation to lie about the attack. You can't just brush that off. Just like you can't just brush off that proper investigatory protocol within the FBI demanded they take possession of the evidence to establish a clear chain of custody. If you value building a case that can be prosecuted, this is necessary. If you value getting to the root of the matter in the most politically divisive investigation in Bureau history then it's even MORE imperative. Yet Comey didn't. There was a ten day lag between the attack and the reporting of it. Mind you, the FBI warned CrowdStrike (and the DNC) in 2015 their servers were transmitting to Russia due to a hack - and they put the FBI on hold and never addressed it. So many employees of CrowdStrike have questionable ties to the administration and Russia, someone who's interested in a full and thorough examination of the facts would demand that CrowdStrike not be a part of the investigation, let alone the ONLY party to investigate the primary piece of evidence.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Disagree. The physical server provide zero added value. So wrong it's not funny. For one thing, forensic data recovery can be used on PHYSICAL hard drives, to catch anything that was hastily and shoddily deleted. And that's only the most obvious thing you need the server itself for.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: So wrong it's not funny. For one thing, forensic data recovery can be used on PHYSICAL hard drives, to catch anything that was hastily and shoddily deleted. And that's only the most obvious thing you need the server itself for. Most servers these days are VMs. You know nothing as usual!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Most servers these days are VMs. You know nothing as usual! !@#$ off. This server was not virtualized from everything I've read. It was an actual box. So again, !@#$ right the !@#$ off you ignorant twat. Where'd you get your credentials? Off a Wheaties box? Edited July 18, 2018 by joesixpack
26CornerBlitz Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: !@#$ off. This server was not virtualized from everything I've read. It was an actual box. So again, !@#$ right the !@#$ off you ignorant twat. Where'd you get your credentials? Off a Wheaties box? You're a dumb ass as per your norm. You can always go back to see what has been erased because these DB servers have historical snapshots than can always be recovered. You remain an ignorant ass!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You're a dumb ass as per your norm. You can always go back to see what has been erased because these DB servers have historical snapshots than can always be recovered. You remain an ignorant ass! Not if the snapshots are deleted you !@#$ing retard. You really think these crowdstrike ppl wouldn't think of that? Come on !@#$wit, go back to the main board where you belong. You add NOTHING here. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Notice the evasion here. This is SLIMY by Tom. They didn't cooperate fully. They threw the FBI out of the office. He also omits they were warned, a year prior, by the FBI and DID NOTHING to stop it (because they were never really hacked, but I digress). Edited July 18, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1
26CornerBlitz Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Not if the snapshots are deleted you !@#$ing retard. You really think these crowdstrike ppl wouldn't think of that? Come on !@#$wit, go back to the main board where you belong. You add NOTHING here. You're a stupid conspiracy theorist fool besides being a zero integrity thief. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Notice the evasion here. This is SLIMY by Tom. They didn't cooperate fully. They threw the FBI out of the office. He also omits they were warned, a year prior, by the FBI and DID NOTHING to stop it (because they were never really hacked, but I digress). https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmkxp9/dnc-server-conspiracy-theory-russian-hack-explained “To really investigate a high profile intrusion like the DNC hack, you have to look beyond the victim network,” Rid said. “You have to look at the infrastructure—the command and control sites that were used to get in that are not going to be on any server ... looking at one server is just one isolated piece of infrastructure.” "For decades, it has been industry-standard forensic and digital evidence handling practice to conduct analysis on forensic images instead of original evidence" Even so, what CrowdStrike gave the FBI is likely better than if it had seized and analyzed a physical box. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Ah.... the bliss of sending the Bot to gatorland. Long overdue.
Bray Wyatt Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ****************************** Speaking of CrowdStrike - 26, this is also why the FBI blew it by not examining the server themselves. The connections between CrowdStrike, the victims, the investigators, and Mueller is the stuff that births conspiracy theories. Who's shocked? *************************************** I know he's divisive, but Tucker nails it here. Worth the time to watch and read in full: (Full segment from Tucker) Then compare it to this, a man who literally made a movie about how the Intel agencies lied us into war: The dishonesty of those on the left - former champions of thwarting the power of the surveillance state and unchecked IC growth are now racing to join their side and believing them hook line and sinker without nary a hint of evidence. This is what a lack of principles looks like. I watched Tucker last night and thought this fit perfectly into what we have been discussing on here 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmkxp9/dnc-server-conspiracy-theory-russian-hack-explained “To really investigate a high profile intrusion like the DNC hack, you have to look beyond the victim network,” Rid said. “You have to look at the infrastructure—the command and control sites that were used to get in that are not going to be on any server ... looking at one server is just one isolated piece of infrastructure.” "For decades, it has been industry-standard forensic and digital evidence handling practice to conduct analysis on forensic images instead of original evidence" Even so, what CrowdStrike gave the FBI is likely better than if it had seized and analyzed a physical box. That assumes CrowdStrike is operating on the level and not a part of the plot, 26. This is what you can't escape. If CrowdStrike is dirty, and there's LOTS of evidence to suggest they are, then anything given to the FBI cannot be trusted without independent verification. This is the issue. No one, at least not me, is suggesting all the FBI needed to do is look at one server. That's missing the point. The point is they took the word of a partisan government contractor who themselves are deeply intertwined with very real 702 abuse inside the FBI-CID and DOJ-NSD. What you're suggesting is that CrowdStrike is unimpeachable as is the data they turned over. I suggest that's naive. For exactly that reason, those two differences of opinion, a neutral and independent investigation of the hardware is needed. If what I'm suggesting about CrowdStrike is "conspiracy" and untrue, that kind of independent investigation would verify it and take away that line of attack. But if we just take them at their word, as you're suggesting, that question remains open for all time. Don't you agree that in this investigation, with all that's at stake (literally people calling to start a war with Russia in response) demands an overly transparent and honest investigation into the matter at hand? Wouldn't it be more logical to take what I'm suggesting under advisement than it is to brush it off? If you tackle my question head on, we get to the truth one way or the other. If we tackle the problem the way you're suggesting we MIGHT get the truth, or we might get snowed. One way is better than the other with the stakes this high. And that way happens to be the proper protocol for criminal investigations.
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