row_33 Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 Mueller’s mad hatter tea party is beyond bathetic now, everyone just laugh at anything he does
Foxx Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Mueller Plagiarizes Right-Wing YouTube Journalist’s Lawsuit Against Podesta in New Russian Indictments; DOJ’s Big Splash Appears Fabricated Edited July 15, 2018 by Foxx
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 Click for full thread and documents: https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1018573824458088449 1
njbuff Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: This whole thing is an f-n joke. It really is. Do we need any more evidence that this ridiculousness needs to wrap up........... NOW?
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, njbuff said: This whole thing is an f-n joke. It really is. Do we need any more evidence that this ridiculousness needs to wrap up........... NOW? I think the end is near. With the last round of indictments, Mueller has now wrapped up the two main thrusts of the probe (Russian meddling in the election - the first 13 indictments, and 'hacking' of the DNC - these last 12). That's 25 indictments all related to both the FaceBook propaganda and "meddling" as well as the DNC "hacking". Collusion/Conspiracy to collude with Trump and the Russians, or Trump's team and the Russians was already dismissed by Mueller's own statements (Trump's not a target - his words) and his filings state he's not going to present or argue either of those things with the Manafort indictment: Per the Steele dossier, Manafort was the head of the collusion/conspiracy snake. If Mueller isn't pursuing those charges against Manafort, he's not pursuing those charges against anyone. In other words, the big prize promised by the left, the MSM, and the Hillary/Obama spokespeople for over a year and a half now - that Trump and/or his team colluded with the Russians to flip the election - will never be delivered. That leaves three possibilities with regards to what Mueller is up to: 1) Assuming he's a "black hat": He's now stalling to drag this out as close as possible (if not beyond) the 2018 midterms which are 15+ weeks away. 2) He's doing what I've been speculating for over two years (working with, not against Trump) and will finish his probe before the midterms and announce Trump is cleared of those primary charges. * Either of these two scenarios require waiting until we're closer to the midterms for their full impact to be felt. I do not agree with this decision to drag it out (if the rest of what I've uncovered holds true), but I understand the political games at work. There is a third possibility: 3) He has been sitting on a smoking gun(s) for months and will move to indict or prosecute members of Trump's team for serious charges involving money laundering and bribes by the Russian intelligence services. (this is the least likely of the three based on the evidence). Because of the political gamesmanship going on by both sides, I would target mid to late September for this to be wrapped. If either side were to move too soon, it would take away their fundraising ploys. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Hint: The CI probe into Russian meddling didn't begin with the Dossier. (moving this here to avoid the combativeness in the other thread where this was stated, so we can have a serious conversation - and to keep my response on topic to the proper thread.) According to the FBI, it began on July 31st, 2016 after learning that George Papadopoulos had a conversation with Downer about Hillary's emails (which happened in May of 2016 after Papadopoulos had a conversation with Joseph Mifsud in late April). But the indictment on Friday poses a problem with that narrative that no one in the mainstream caught: If, per Mueller's indictment, the Russians only tried to hack Hillary's personal email system for the first time on July 27, 2016, why did "Russian cut out" Mifsud say to George Papadapoulos on April 26, 2016 that Russia already had thousands of her emails? And how could Papadopoulos have had that conversation with Downer in May about an event that Mueller says didn't happen until almost two months later? Both of those statements have been made in Mueller filings (and the dossier) - yet they both can't be true. That's a major discrepancy that must be explained for the "George P as the starting point" to be verified. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html This doesn't add up. Which should cause most people to question why. **************************************** Being as far ahead of the curve on this information, as we have, isn't magic. It just requires time and effort to dig through the muck to find the gold. And Nunes is right here. Everything in Friday's indictment was put forth by the majority in the House Intel Committee and Nunes' memos. Edited July 15, 2018 by Deranged Rhino
njbuff Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I think the end is near. With the last round of indictments, Mueller has now wrapped up the two main thrusts of the probe (Russian meddling in the election - the first 13 indictments, and 'hacking' of the DNC - these last 12). That's 25 indictments all related to both the FaceBook propaganda and "meddling" as well as the DNC "hacking". Collusion/Conspiracy to collude with Trump and the Russians, or Trump's team and the Russians was already dismissed by Mueller's own statements (Trump's not a target - his words) and his filings state he's not going to present or argue either of those things with the Manafort indictment: Per the Steele dossier, Manafort was the head of the collusion/conspiracy snake. If Mueller isn't pursuing those charges against Manafort, he's not pursuing those charges against anyone. In other words, the big prize promised by the left, the MSM, and the Hillary/Obama spokespeople for over a year and a half now - that Trump and/or his team colluded with the Russians to flip the election - will never be delivered. That leaves three possibilities with regards to what Mueller is up to: 1) Assuming he's a "black hat": He's now stalling to drag this out as close as possible (if not beyond) the 2018 midterms which are 15+ weeks away. 2) He's doing what I've been speculating for over two years (working with, not against Trump) and will finish his probe before the midterms and announce Trump is cleared of those primary charges. * Either of these two scenarios require waiting until we're closer to the midterms for their full impact to be felt. I do not agree with this decision to drag it out (if the rest of what I've uncovered holds true), but I understand the political games at work. There is a third possibility: 3) He has been sitting on a smoking gun(s) for months and will move to indict or prosecute members of Trump's team for serious charges involving money laundering and bribes by the Russian intelligence services. (this is the least likely of the three based on the evidence). Because of the political gamesmanship going on by both sides, I would target mid to late September for this to be wrapped. If either side were to move too soon, it would take away their fundraising ploys. Why is Manafort being hung by his balls?
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Why is Manafort being hung by his balls? My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner. That's about it. Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo).
Tiberius Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner. That's about it. Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo). When you look at Manafort's history, I guess this is the ONLY conspiracy theory you could come up with to protect Trump. Again, our country, well, mine, not sure its yours, was attacked and Mueller obvioulsy wants to know what happened and who was involved, Manafort is connected to both Putin and Trump, was at the Trump Towers meeting, did a whole bunch of other things for Russians while he was Trump's campaign manager and is a general scum bucket. But ya, Clinton! 1
Buftex Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner. That's about it. Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo). Jesus...the RWNJ's have found their Mark Fuhrman...or was that Strzok? Edited July 16, 2018 by Buftex
row_33 Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: When you look at Manafort's history, I guess this is the ONLY conspiracy theory you could come up with to protect Trump. Again, our country, well, mine, not sure its yours, was attacked and Mueller obvioulsy wants to know what happened and who was involved, Manafort is connected to both Putin and Trump, was at the Trump Towers meeting, did a whole bunch of other things for Russians while he was Trump's campaign manager and is a general scum bucket. But ya, Clinton! You act so bitter all the time, like someone kicks you in the balls and just when the pain goes away they hoof you again, all the time. anything good in your life? Something you don’t churn resentment or hate over?
Deranged Rhino Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Buftex said: Jesus...the RWNJ's have found their Mark Fuhrman...or was that Strzok? RWNJ's?
/dev/null Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: RWNJ's? right wing nut jobs anybody who doesn't drink the blue kool-aid
Deranged Rhino Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, /dev/null said: right wing nut jobs anybody who doesn't drink the blue kool-aid Ahh.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 (singing like a canary from all reports - unlike the Strzok closed door hearings, we've heard nothing from the left about releasing Lisa's transcripts. Wonder why) 2
LaDexter Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 The bottom line of the Russia collusion case is this... If you think the Dems should not be allowed to get away with lying and cheating during elections, the US media hates you, and you are "wrong."
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: BECAUSE SCREAM AT THE SKY OMG ITS RUSSIA WAR NEED TO FIGHT CANT SURRENDER NOW 1
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