GG Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Scratch that - reporters on the open mic saying it's definitely Mueller related and an indictment coming. So expect Coen. Ethan or Joel?
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: Ethan or Joel? My phone auto corrects to Coen because of them - so I hope it's Joel. 5 minute warning from the dais... It's 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted for hacking the DNC. So it's a distraction play today. 12 people who will never see the inside of a courtroom and who had nothing to do with the hack of the DNC. But it'll dominate the news cycle today, drowning out Strzok, and putting pressure on Trump as he goes to meet Putin. This is an attempt to cancel that summit imo. 2
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: My phone auto corrects to Coen because of them - so I hope it's Joel. 5 minute warning from the dais... It's 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted for hacking the DNC. So it's a distraction play today. 12 people who will never see the inside of a courtroom and who had nothing to do with the hack of the DNC. But it'll dominate the news cycle today, drowning out Strzok, and putting pressure on Trump as he goes to meet Putin. This is an attempt to cancel that summit imo. I'm curious how they came to that conclusion given that the DNC never turned over their server. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm curious how they came to that conclusion given that the DNC never turned over their server. YUP. The evidence will be interesting to see. The intent and timing of this is clear to anyone paying attention. DISTRACTION and pressure to get Putin/Trump summit canceled. The reporters are reading the evidence on the live stream. They got the hack by phishing for passwords (wrong) then leveraging that for more access (wrong). It's going to be nonsense. 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: YUP. The evidence will be interesting to see. The intent and timing of this is clear to anyone paying attention. DISTRACTION and pressure to get Putin/Trump summit canceled. Yeah, that'll work - because Trump has shown he's repeatedly willing to cave into DNC/MSM hyperbole and screeching... er, I mean DNC/MSM pressure. ? (/sarc tag) What's the definition of insanity again? 1
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What's the definition of insanity again? Voting for Nancy Pelosi over and over and expecting any results. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Two techniques used by the GRU: * Phishing * Direct hacking/malware planting (Both debunked by the way) Starting in March of 2016... HMMM. What else happened in March of 2016, folks? That's when the NSA audit was ordered. Guciffer 2.0 is a long disproven hoax. That RR is bringing him up now shows this is bogus.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: YUP. The evidence will be interesting to see. The intent and timing of this is clear to anyone paying attention. DISTRACTION and pressure to get Putin/Trump summit canceled. The reporters are reading the evidence on the live stream. They got the hack by phishing for passwords (wrong) then leveraging that for more access (wrong). It's going to be nonsense. I heard that. Indictment on 12 Russian Military Officers. It means NOTHING because they will NEVER see the inside of a courtroom...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 13, 2018 Author Posted July 13, 2018 Today's news sets up a champagne and caviar toast between Putin and Trump in Helsinki.
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: It wasn't just a gif. Watch in real time. That's... something else. I think what's most disturbing about that is that two women voluntarily !@#$ed that fey little creep. 2 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Full indictment here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download So, no collusion here. No vote tampering or count changed. Nothing about Trump or his campaign. But we KNOW Gucifer 2.0 was a creation of CrowdStrike (a FBI-CID contractor by the way). This is distraction, distraction, distraction. Nothing more. RR said they investigate all the relevant evidence before reaching a conclusion... but for this TINY piece of evidence, right, Rod? 1
Golden Goat Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 We need to fight national interference before we worry about foreign interference, Mr. Rosenstein. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 RR is sure sounding defensive for a guy delivering a "big win". Pg 12. Company 1 in the indictment IS CrowdStrike. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Just now, Golden Goat said: This guy is what scum scrapes off its shoes. He briefed Trump Monday on this. Trump didn't tweet. But Mueller is briefing Trump on upcoming indictments. For those paying attention, is that the standard protocol for a SC? (nope). Mueller - Trump. (same team)
Golden Goat Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He briefed Trump Monday on this. Trump didn't tweet. But Mueller is briefing Trump on upcoming indictments. For those paying attention, is that the standard protocol for a SC? (nope). Mueller - Trump. (same team) He says he briefed Trump. I just don't trust a word he says.
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I think what's most disturbing about that is that two women voluntarily !@#$ed that fey little creep. On a different blog I read someone suggested Lisa Page is his handler. That theory is Strzok is a bit, er, touched in the head, and not the "mastermind" of the coup. The minion and fall guy of several higher-ups. It would explain the sheer volume of text messages between those two, none of which seem to be sexual in nature.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: On a different blog I read someone suggested Lisa Page is his handler. That theory is Strzok is a bit, er, touched in the head, and not the "mastermind" of the coup. The minion and fall guy of several higher-ups. It would explain the sheer volume of text messages between those two, none of which seem to be sexual in nature. In my opinion there's truth to this theory. It's one I've floated to two of my FBI sources and they thought it had something behind it. She was likely a honeypot, working with McCabe. Her texts (the sudden - don't ever text me again) and sudden dropping of Strzok (after he served his purpose) add some weight to it. Strzok definitely isn't the mastermind - but he's not dim. He's Brennan's guy (he even boasted about getting an honor coin from Brennan). A former Army Ranger, turned spook, heading the CID who works hand in hand with the CIA on many matters - their relationship is pretty solid. 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: He says he briefed Trump. I just don't trust a word he says. I understand that completely. Even if he's lying (which in this case I don't believe he is) it's a strange admission to make - and one no one will report on properly. If Mueller is going after Trump (which even Mueller has said he's not, but the press and loony fringe ignore) then he'd NEVER share indictments, even sealed ones, so early. To me I'm filing this away as more evidence of "things aren't what they seem with Mueller" for now. Might be proven wrong in the end. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Today's news sets up a champagne and caviar toast between Putin and Trump in Helsinki. Reposting this long post in this thread for you, 26. Only because I know you've avoided both this thread and the Deep State thread (I get it) and this summarizes the key developments/evidence uncovered that are informing the bulk of my take on this issue. Figured you'd find it interesting if nothing else. The opening sentiment expressed to old applies to you too - not trying to be annoying, just trying to share information with you because I think you're an honest broker even if we disagree. 26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm only asking questions to prompt a fruitful discussion rather than a combative one, so if this becomes annoying let me know. That's not my intent (I'm just long winded). It's just you stated your opinion today on this issue, and I think it's a common one that many people agree with. But, because of the nature of the (dis)information war going on, it's not a complete picture. That's not a fault of your own, I think you're an honest broker going with the facts you have available. So for all those reasons I figure it might be helpful for others to see how this really worked. Back to Hannigan and how that connects... Were you aware that there are two divisions within the DOJ that have access to raw NSA data? That data, called 702 data, is every single electronic communication made by everyone in the country. The FBI Counter Intelligence Division (CID) and the DOJ National Security Division (NSD). Both of these divisions are the DOJ's most secretive and powerful as they're essentially the only non-military domestic counter intelligence units. In order for FBI agents or DOJ employees to access the information on these servers (which again, are American communications) they need a warrant from the FISC, this is in order to protect our 4th amendment right to privacy. When 44 was elected in his first term, he appointed the DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz. As IG, Horowitz's job was to perform oversight on the entire DOJ - yet, Eric Holder (backed by Obama with an assist from Sally Yates) re-interpreted the IG law starting in 2010 and prevented Horowitz from access to both the NSD and CID. The only two divisions in the DOJ which Horowitz was denied the ability to perform his duties. Horowitz spent the next 6 years fighting to get this access back, as it was essential to doing his job. He testified to Congress multiple times: He wrote op-eds: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/give-inspectors-general-access-to-the-records-they-need-to-do-their-jobs/2015/10/18/54942f30-738a-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html?utm_term=.6113e4173050 Then Sally Yates and the AG responded in 2010 with 58 pages of legal word salad that essentially told Horowitz to get bent: https://www.ignet.gov/sites/default/files/files/OLC IG Act Opinion - 7-20-15 .pdf Whatever was going on in both the CID and NSD, the Obama administration - through both AGs Holder and Lynch - changed the interpretation of the law to prevent the Inspector General from overseeing what was happening. Odd right? The two most powerful divisions in the Department of Justice were deemed off limits to transparency by a POTUS who promised to run the most "transparent administration" ever. This is crucial background to understanding the events of 2016. Why? Because of what happened in March, 2016 when the NSA became aware of an increase in illegal (as in, without a warrant or proper explanation) 702 searches on NSA servers. The NSA, starting in January, began looking into this issue as noted in this report (not made public until 2017), and instituted a number of internal NSA remedies to fix the issue and comply with the law: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/NSA_IG_Report_1_7_16_ST-15-0002.pdf By March of 2016, Admiral Mike Rogers - head of NSA - was made aware of (or discovered himself) that despite the internal changes made to the NSA, the 702 quarries were continuing unchecked. Only now, he could pinpoint where the violations were coming from: the DOJ-NSD and FBI-CID. So in March of 2016, Mike Rogers ordered a full audit of the 702 program. This is a hugely important marker in the timeline. By April 18th, 2016 that audit was complete and NSA reported its findings to the FISC. The discovery was startling. 85% of the 702 quarries logged in the NSD/CID between November 2015 and April 2016 were deemed illegal or improper. These findings were compiled in a FISC opinion which are normally classified, but DNI Coats released it to the public in 2017. Note pages 83-84: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf And note the key finding by the FISC: There is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high rate. And note the top of page 84: "[REDACTED] and 'is largely staffed by private contractors [REDACTED] certain [REDACTED] contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems [REDACTED] ... Nonetheless the [REDACTED] contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI's request." This is dense stuff... but we're almost to the punchline, bear with me. Understand what this FISC memo is stating. It's stating that government contractors inside the FBI-CID and DOJ-NSD were accessing this 702 data without a warrant or oversight for an extended, and unknown, period of time. Think about what that implies when you connect it to Horowitz being denied access to those two divisions. It implies, strongly, that Holder/Lynch/Obama were aware of these abuses of 702 data inside those departments and wished to keep it from the Inspector General (and thus the public). Why would it be so important to keep that kind of abuse secret unless you were profiting in some way from it? How would a sitting POTUS benefit from government contractors having illegal access to 702 data? Think of the POWER of that information. It's everyone's secrets. Everyone's communications. Everyone's texts, tweets, instant messages. That's a treasure trove of blackmail material for your enemies and allies. That kind of information is priceless in political campaigns, or in day-to-day bureaucracy of DC. Got a Congressman who won't vote with you? Hmm, wonder what we'll find in his hidden emails to make him more compliant. Sounds CRAZY. Until you realize who the contractors inside the DOJ-NSD and CID were. While the names in the official FISC memo are redacted, there is STRONG evidence to imply that both Fusion GPS and CrowdStrike were two of those contractors with unfettered access to the most sensitive surveillance data in our IC arsenal. See where this is going yet? The Obama administration (and likely other administrations before it) created an illegal surveillance operation inside the DOJ designed for political spying on their opposition. They were using this access to spy on all the primary campaigns in 2015-2016, not just Trump's. They were deeply invested in making sure the "right" candidate won, and (likely) used this access to aid the Clinton campaign with oppo research. This doesn't require a large number of conspirators, or everyone in the FBI/DOJ/Obama administration to be dirty. It doesn't require a massive "conspiracy". Just a small, tightly controlled circle immune from oversight with access to the most invasive surveillance tools available. Back to the timeline: On April 18th, 2016 Mike Rogers shuts off 702 access to all 702 access outside the NSA. He testified as to the timeline below. Note the October date mentioned towards the end, then remember that the first Page FISA warrant was signed October 20th 2016. So, on April 18th, Mike Rogers shut down this illegal surveillance program. IMMEDIATELY upon this happening, Mary Jacoby - wife of Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS) - has an Oval Office meeting with Obama, the subject of which has never been made public. The next day, the pieces begin to move to reopen this surveillance pipeline began in earnest with Fusion GPS being retained by Perkins Coie... the rest can be read here: (more sources) 1. DOJ Response Memo: https://www.ignet.gov/sites/default/files/files/OLC%20IG%20Act%20Opinion%20-%207-20-15%20.pdf … 2. NSA IG Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/NSA_IG_Report_1_7_16_ST-15-0002.pdf … 3. NSA IG Compliance Review: https://cryptome.org/2017/09/nsa-oig-fisa-702-jan-2016.pdf … 4. FISC Opinion Memo: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf … 5. quoted source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/23/gchq-chief-robert-hannigan-quits 2 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: In my opinion there's truth to this theory. It's one I've floated to two of my FBI sources and they thought it had something behind it. She was likely a honeypot, working with McCabe. Her texts (the sudden - don't ever text me again) and sudden dropping of Strzok (after he served his purpose) add some weight to it. Strzok definitely isn't the mastermind - but he's not dim. He's Brennan's guy (he even boasted about getting an honor coin from Brennan). A former Army Ranger, turned spook, heading the CID who works hand in hand with the CIA on many matters - their relationship is pretty solid. 1 I had to cut down the quote as it was fairly long (sorry DR!!) I do not get the idea he was not bright. He seems quite intelligent to me. He did remind me of someone who is so smug, so full of hubris that he borders on pathological. Whether or not he is a functioning nut is open to debate (he's functioning, but is he really nuts would be the debate). As far as Lisa Page being a honeypot... ummm do men really have such low standards? The woman is unattractive. (Maybe he likes brains and personality!?) That is why the "handler" idea resonated with me. She doesn't appear at first glance (or second glance or fiftieth glance to be honest) to be the honeypot-type.
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