Deranged Rhino Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Especially when you begin from a point where you are trying to conjure up a conspiracy So you admit that's what you're doing by starting with Papdapolous which came later in the timeline of events and has far less evidence to support it than the FISA abuse the FISC wrote a 99 page opinion verifying was real, ongoing, and a violation of the constitution? You're bad at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: So you admit that's what you're doing by starting with Papdapolous which came later in the timeline of events and has far less evidence to support it than the FISA abuse the FISC wrote a 99 page opinion verifying was real, ongoing, and a violation of the constitution? You're bad at this. Rhino, why are you arguing with a braindead lib like Fib? i have been called out for arguing with him. It’s pretty pointless because he thinks everything you post is a right conspiracy and everything he hears from the Trump-hating media is the absolute truth. Keep up your work by telling us what is going on save yourself from responding to Fib. It’s useless, you are smarter than to engage with that fool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: So you admit that's what you're doing by starting with Papdapolous which came later in the timeline of events and has far less evidence to support it than the FISA abuse the FISC wrote a 99 page opinion verifying was real, ongoing, and a violation of the constitution? You're bad at this. With all the other bull sh it you throw in there, you got the timeline wrong The Popadopolous investigation started in July 2016 The FISA Warrant against Page was taken out in October 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: Rhino, why are you arguing with a braindead lib like Fib? i have been called out for arguing with him. It’s pretty pointless because he thinks everything you post is a right conspiracy and everything he hears from the Trump-hating media is the absolute truth. Keep up your work by telling us what is going on save yourself from responding to Fib. It’s useless, you are smarter than to engage with that fool. You're not wrong. I fall back into his trap every few weeks. I'm a sucker for Gator. I can't quit him no matter how much I've tried. I think, this time it'll be different. This time he'll be honest. I'm always wrong... but it's the optimist in me:) Just now, Tiberius said: With all the other bull sh it you throw in there, you got the timeline wrong The Popadopolous investigation started in July 2016 The FISA Warrant against Page was taken out in October 2016. Dummy. It came later than the 702 about quarry scandal which is the actual impetus for the FISA push. Reading is hard. (And we know the FBI tried, and failed, to get warrants on team Trump in June of '16 - month before GP) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're not wrong. I fall back into his trap every few weeks. I'm a sucker for Gator. I can't quit him no matter how much I've tried. I think, this time it'll be different. This time he'll be honest. I'm always wrong... but it's the optimist in me:) Dummy. It came later than the 702 about quarry scandal which is the actual impetus for the FISA push. Reading is hard. (And we know the FBI tried, and failed, to get warrants on team Trump in June of '16 - month before GP) Sigh... No, you are just straight up wrong. The FISA warrant was after the Popadopolous investigation began Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sigh... No, you are just straight up wrong. The FISA warrant was after the Popadopolous investigation began Nope. I'm correct. Facts are hard when you're more interested in preserving a narrative than you are in finding the truth. Quote The Guardian reports that the FBI applied for the warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer to keep an eye on Mr Trump team members suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. Fisa reportedly turned it down in June 2016 and asked investigators to narrow their focus. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-fbi-warrant-monitor-presidential-campaign-russia-a7520791.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts?CMP=share_btn_tw June comes before July. Papadolous was NOT the start of the investigation by the FBI's own admission. It was trying in May and June to generate a FISA - why? Because at the end of April Rogers shut off the 702 about quarry system and asked for them to provide evidence of cause for their previous quarries. That's where this started. A CYA operation that they were forced into by Rogers (gasp) sticking to the law. In the aftermath, this entire operation was set in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This thing is beyond ridiculous and so far off the rails. I thought this investigation was supposed to be about Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election? But it’s painfully obvious that Mueller was hired to find ANYTHING on Trump. It doesn’t matter what it is, just as long as they can pin something on Trump to have him impeached. As long as this thing is allowed to continue, Mueller will find SOMETHING and the left will get their wish and get Trump out of office. Americans should be outraged by this whole thing, but Trump-haters want their way and they could care less about who you voted for and what damage this will cost the country they hate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nope. I'm correct. Facts are hard when you're more interested in preserving a narrative than you are in finding the truth. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-fbi-warrant-monitor-presidential-campaign-russia-a7520791.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts?CMP=share_btn_tw June comes before July. Papadolous was NOT the start of the investigation by the FBI's own admission. It was trying in May and June to generate a FISA - why? Because at the end of April Rogers shut off the 702 about quarry system and asked for them to provide evidence of cause for their previous quarries. Whe That's where this started. A CYA operation that they were forced into by Rogers (gasp) sticking to the law. In the aftermath, this entire operation was set in motion. Where does the FBI admit to this? I see a report from a newspaper, that's all. Comey said it was July. Trump just two days ago said it began when he won the nomination and if it began earlier into those people traveling to Russia I don't see the problem. 9 minutes ago, njbuff said: This thing is beyond ridiculous and so far off the rails. I thought this investigation was supposed to be about Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election? But it’s painfully obvious that Mueller was hired to find ANYTHING on Trump. It doesn’t matter what it is, just as long as they can pin something on Trump to have him impeached. As long as this thing is allowed to continue, Mueller will find SOMETHING and the left will get their wish and get Trump out of office. Americans should be outraged by this whole thing, but Trump-haters want their way and they could care less about who you voted for and what damage this will cost the country they hate. If they discover other crimes they are suppose to say something. Just like you and me are suppose to. If the President is a criminal, get him out of there. Too bad he isn't innocent, like Hillary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Where does the FBI admit to this? I see a report from a newspaper, that's all. Comey said it was July. Trump just two days ago said it began when he won the nomination and if it began earlier into those people traveling to Russia I don't see the problem. The FISC admits it as did McCabe and Priestap in their testimonies (see Nunes' memo, Grassley's referral). It launched before the nomination because the 702 about quarries weren't just into Trump's team. They were into all of Hillary's opponents. This isn't about right versus left as much as you want it to be. It's about right and wrong, and the corrupt elements of the FBI/DOJ/USIC were trying to cover their own asses and wound up walking themselves into a situation where trying to pull off a palace coup was their only option. They lost. Thank goodness for the country. The fallout will be extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, njbuff said: This thing is beyond ridiculous and so far off the rails. I thought this investigation was supposed to be about Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election? But it’s painfully obvious that Mueller was hired to find ANYTHING on Trump. It doesn’t matter what it is, just as long as they can pin something on Trump to have him impeached. As long as this thing is allowed to continue, Mueller will find SOMETHING and the left will get their wish and get Trump out of office. Americans should be outraged by this whole thing, but Trump-haters want their way and they could care less about who you voted for and what damage this will cost the country they hate. Keeps the Dems from even pretending to try to serve their constituents or the media from lifting a finger to do any reporting or research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: The FISC admits it as did McCabe and Priestap in their testimonies (see Nunes' memo, Grassley's referral). It launched before the nomination because the 702 about quarries weren't just into Trump's team. They were into all of Hillary's opponents. This isn't about right versus left as much as you want it to be. It's about right and wrong, and the corrupt elements of the FBI/DOJ/USIC were trying to cover their own asses and wound up walking themselves into a situation where trying to pull off a palace coup was their only option. They lost. Thank goodness for the country. The fallout will be extreme. Ya sure. And since you mentioned Hillary, She would have not been the worst president ever, which Trump is. But at least Trump has energized the sane people of the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Keeps the Dems from even pretending to try to serve their constituents or the media from lifting a finger to do any reporting or research MSM everywhere is so much garbage nowadays. Just a 24/7 bash-a-thon. That’s it. The MSM can thank themselves by making Hannity number one in his time slot by a country mile. i guess since his competition is two Trump-hating gaybird queers (Madcow and Lemonsqeezer) it’s not that difficult to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, njbuff said: MSM everywhere is so much garbage nowadays. Just a 24/7 bash-a-thon. That’s it. The MSM can thank themselves by making Hannity number one in his time slot by a country mile. i guess since his competition is two Trump-hating gaybird queers (Madcow and Lemonsqeezer) it’s not that difficult to understand. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorbait Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, njbuff said: two Trump-hating gaybird queers (Madcow and Lemonsqeezer) Haha tell us how you really feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 35 minutes ago, njbuff said: This thing is beyond ridiculous and so far off the rails. I thought this investigation was supposed to be about Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election? But it’s painfully obvious that Mueller was hired to find ANYTHING on Trump. It doesn’t matter what it is, just as long as they can pin something on Trump to have him impeached. As long as this thing is allowed to continue, Mueller will find SOMETHING and the left will get their wish and get Trump out of office. Americans should be outraged by this whole thing, but Trump-haters want their way and they could care less about who you voted for and what damage this will cost the country they hate. Kenneth Starr. I find it astonishing that people like Newt Gingrich are saying that the Mueller investigation has gone off the rails because they went outside their purpose of finding Trump Russian collusion. You impeached a president because of a BJ when the special counsel was supposed to be investigating Whitewater. 22 minutes ago, njbuff said: MSM everywhere is so much garbage nowadays. Just a 24/7 bash-a-thon. That’s it. The MSM can thank themselves by making Hannity number one in his time slot by a country mile. i guess since his competition is two Trump-hating gaybird queers (Madcow and Lemonsqeezer) it’s not that difficult to understand. Maddow is beating him lately, but she's nuts also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Kenneth Starr. I find it astonishing that people like Newt Gingrich are saying that the Mueller investigation has gone off the rails because they went outside their purpose of finding Trump Russian collusion. You impeached a president because of a BJ when the special counsel was supposed to be investigating Whitewater. Yeah, that's not what happened, and you damn well know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Slick Willy asked for a BJ and didn't get it and then perjured himself under oath before a grand jury. That makes it even more brutal for him.... could have settled it all with a $25,000 payment and apology, but OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Quote Within minutes of his firing in May, former FBI Director James Comey received a call from John Kelly, then the head of the Department of Homeland Security and now the White House chief of staff. According to Comey’s account, which is set to appear in his highly anticipated forthcoming memoir, Kelly was “emotional” over the manner in which Comey was let go. The then-FBI director was in California at the time, speaking to FBI agents in Los Angeles, and only found out that he was out of a job when he saw the news break on TV. Kelly, Comey recalls, said he was “sick” about the situation and “intended to quit” in protest. Kelly “said he didn’t want to work for dishonorable people,” referring specifically to President Donald Trump, who appeared to be upset at the FBI’s persistent investigation into his campaign’s possible collusion with Russian officials. https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-comey-john-kelly-called-trump-dishonorable-for-firing-me?ref=home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-comey-john-kelly-called-trump-dishonorable-for-firing-me?ref=home That makes total sense considering he accepted the job as White House Chief of Staff. Of course, we know that Comey is himself an honorable and honest individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Yeah, that's not what happened, and you damn well know it. Yes, it is. Starr WELL exceeded the mandate of his investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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