Taro T Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: If true it would cut against that thinory on the surface - which is why I wanted to post it. Color me skeptical for the time beingin but I'm willing to change my mind when presented with new evidence. So far, this isn't really evidence of anything - but it's a development worth noting. Of course it could also play into your theory if those subpoenaed docs prove timelines/ evidence presented by others can't be true. (Like if they prove that Trump Jr. was at Mar-a-lago when somebody else claims he'd beenin Romania.) And, as most all the NYT breathless pronouncements haven't been what theyinitially seemed, probably have to see what happens next to figure out if the squirrels finally found a nut (not referring to their readership, btw ; )). But knowing all the D's on his team it would SEEM the focus is switching more towards prior business, which for someone involved w/ NYC real estate for so long would HAVE to involve some sleeze. You can't go into a sty w/out getting muddy. Of course, as all of this stems from what likely is the poison fruit of the Page FISA application, nothing would be prosecutable it would seem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 They've got nothing on Trump re: collusion. They're trying to get Trump on past dealings, Manafort-Style. I think the Manafort charges are the template for going after Trump. Whether they turn into charges or not is another thing. Could just be leverage for making Trump give up on investigating/prosecuting the prior administration. Though the horses are out of the barn, so any deal like that would look pretty transparent. I'm just speculating of course. It just looks to me like Mueller is trying to turn this into a "no harm no foul" outcome. It would be the typical let down result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Taro T said: Of course it could also play into your theory if those subpoenaed docs prove timelines/ evidence presented by others can't be true. (Like if they prove that Trump Jr. was at Mar-a-lago when somebody else claims he'd beenin Romania.) And, as most all the NYT breathless pronouncements haven't been what theyinitially seemed, probably have to see what happens next to figure out if the squirrels finally found a nut (not referring to their readership, btw ; )). But knowing all the D's on his team it would SEEM the focus is switching more towards prior business, which for someone involved w/ NYC real estate for so long would HAVE to involve some sleeze. You can't go into a sty w/out getting muddy. Of course, as all of this stems from what likely is the poison fruit of the Page FISA application, nothing would be prosecutable it would seem. It would poison the well of the GOP come 2020. Maybe even by 2018. That's all that is desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: It would poison the well of the GOP come 2020. Maybe even by 2018. That's all that is desired. eventually the RHINOs will realize NOBODY CARES in The Camp about Trump's pecadilloes or amadilloes or turtles and start helping out here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: eventually the RHINOs will realize NOBODY CARES in The Camp about Trump's pecadilloes or amadilloes or turtles and start helping out here... You're a Russian troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, snafu said: They've got nothing on Trump re: collusion. They're trying to get Trump on past dealings, Manafort-Style. I think the Manafort charges are the template for going after Trump. Whether they turn into charges or not is another thing. Could just be leverage for making Trump give up on investigating/prosecuting the prior administration. Though the horses are out of the barn, so any deal like that would look pretty transparent. I'm just speculating of course. It just looks to me like Mueller is trying to turn this into a "no harm no foul" outcome. It would be the typical let down result. And if they look hard enough, they'll get him on something. It's impossible to believe he built a real estate empire in Manhattan and a casino empire in Atlantic city in the late-80s/early-90s without paying someone off. But really...he probably never did anything any worse than Whitewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Of course it could also play into your theory if those subpoenaed docs prove timelines/ evidence presented by others can't be true. (Like if they prove that Trump Jr. was at Mar-a-lago when somebody else claims he'd beenin Romania.) And, as most all the NYT breathless pronouncements haven't been what theyinitially seemed, probably have to see what happens next to figure out if the squirrels finally found a nut (not referring to their readership, btw ; )). But knowing all the D's on his team it would SEEM the focus is switching more towards prior business, which for someone involved w/ NYC real estate for so long would HAVE to involve some sleeze. You can't go into a sty w/out getting muddy. Of course, as all of this stems from what likely is the poison fruit of the Page FISA application, nothing would be prosecutable it would seem. Some of us have been beating the drum on this, and it's all about Trumps business dealings that have absolutely nothing to do with the Presidential campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yes sir! That noose around Hillary is getting tighter!! Ha ha ha!! 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And if they look hard enough, they'll get him on something. It's impossible to believe he built a real estate empire in Manhattan and a casino empire in Atlantic city in the late-80s/early-90s without paying someone off. But really...he probably never did anything any worse than Whitewater. Maybe they won't even have to look very hard. The guy could not get legit loans and went to Russia for money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 what a total joke this has turned into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Worth the read... https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/ Quote Once the enablers of Hillary Clinton compromised their own integrity, they internalized her program of denial and projection. Their own egos are now invested in perpetuating it. To avoid owning up to their shortcomings, they insist, in ever-shriller tones, on the personal integrity of the super spy and the credibility of his reports. The mere acknowledgement of a simple truth — that the “dossier” is junk — would constitute an admission either of deep professional malfeasance or of gob-smacking gullibility. Choose your poison: You duped people and thereby abetted a gross abuse of power; or you were yourself badly duped. That is the dilemma that the lofty-minded now face. The choice is excruciating. It requires abandoning satisfying self-images and embracing painful self-truths — while also handing a well-deserved victory to a hated political enemy. As a consequence, the Steele dossier has proved to be as consequential as it is asinine. Edited March 16, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 hours ago, snafu said: They've got nothing on Trump re: collusion. They're trying to get Trump on past dealings, Manafort-Style. I think the Manafort charges are the template for going after Trump. Whether they turn into charges or not is another thing. Could just be leverage for making Trump give up on investigating/prosecuting the prior administration. Though the horses are out of the barn, so any deal like that would look pretty transparent. I'm just speculating of course. It just looks to me like Mueller is trying to turn this into a "no harm no foul" outcome. It would be the typical let down result. Impeach him if he was money laundering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 hours ago, snafu said: They've got nothing on Trump re: collusion. They're trying to get Trump on past dealings, Manafort-Style. I think the Manafort charges are the template for going after Trump. Whether they turn into charges or not is another thing. Could just be leverage for making Trump give up on investigating/prosecuting the prior administration. Though the horses are out of the barn, so any deal like that would look pretty transparent. I'm just speculating of course. It just looks to me like Mueller is trying to turn this into a "no harm no foul" outcome. It would be the typical let down result. I think you're right. And "collusion" is not a crime unless they're conspiring to commit a crime. As I predicted early on, this whole Russian horseshit was a fabrication by FusionGPS to wage a propaganda war against a duly elected POTUS. At the end of the day, we'll probably see Mueller reveal Trump's tax returns for the five years prior to his becoming President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Nanker said: I think you're right. And "collusion" is not a crime unless they're conspiring to commit a crime. As I predicted early on, this whole Russian horseshit was a fabrication by FusionGPS to wage a propaganda war against a duly elected POTUS. At the end of the day, we'll probably see Mueller reveal Trump's tax returns for the five years prior to his becoming President. So you agree it could be a Manfort type thing but call the whole thing crap? You do realize Manafort was deep into Russian stuff like Money laundering etc. and that's how the Russians get assets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 19 hours ago, GG said: Some of us have been beating the drum on this, and it's all about Trumps business dealings that have absolutely nothing to do with the Presidential campaign. Fruit from a poisonous tree will be yuge. And very tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 12/7/2017 at 7:00 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Even MORE evidence coming in now. This is actually quite major: According to a court filing, U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, who presided over a Dec. 1 hearing where Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his contacts with Russia, will no longer handle the case. Court spokeswoman Lisa Klem did not say why Contreras was recused, and added that the case was randomly reassigned. Reuters could not immediately learn the reason for the recusal, or reach Contreras. An attorney for Flynn declined to comment. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/judge-presiding-over-michael-flynn-criminal-case-is-recused-court-idUSKBN1E202V?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social Hmm... Where have I seen that name before? Oh, that's right: http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/current-membership Third name on the list. Do you see what's happening yet? This is the judge who would have cleared the FISA warrant (based on the dossier) to surveil Flynn and Trump's team. He also presided over Flynn's hearing wherein the defense inarguably would have raised this very issue. Now he's been taken off the case... just as this IG report is about to come out. Betcha that judge will be included in it. Imagine the POWER of the implications of all of this. A judge, playing politics, was in position to give FISA warrants to their allies to surveillance ANYONE they wish legally. That's how you set up a blackmail network. That's how you circumvent any internal investigation. That's how you provide cover for any sort of illicit arms running programs you might set up (let's just say...). It's staggering to think about. Telling you. The media is way behind. Flynn played them all. Now we know one of the reasons why Contreras was taken off the case... He was buds with Strzok. The level of corruption being exposed is staggering... and we're just getting started. https://saraacarter.com/explosive-text-messages-reveal-judge-in-flynn-case-was-friends-with-strzok/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 More: http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/16/revealed-peter-strzok-had-personal-relationship-with-recused-judge-in-michael-flynn-case/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you agree it could be a Manfort type thing but call the whole thing crap? You do realize Manafort was deep into Russian stuff like Money laundering etc. and that's how the Russians get assets? Mana!@#$ made his millions working for Tony Podesta - not in working for Trump for two months. The biggest thing to come out of Mueller's investigation will be the red meat he throws to Rachael MadCow - Trump's tax returns, and the sworn testimony of Stormy Daniels. Huge hands, I tell ya. Yuuge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yes, because he knew this before he plead. Why? Because Flynn had to plead guilty to expose all of this stuff. It was his plan. It's his sacrifice. It's why he's going to go down as a hero by the end of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Yes, because he knew this before he plead. Why? Because Flynn had to plead guilty to expose all of this stuff. It was his plan. It's his sacrifice. It's why he's going to go down as a hero by the end of this. A hero to Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: A hero to Russia To you. Just watch. What he did was done to preserve the republic for you and all the people who have shamefully sullied his reputation in the name of partisanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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