Nanker Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Looking forward to the Congressional CIA Caucus convening soon. Question: Will they meet in secret? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 ... I'll just leave this here: Felix Sater, businessman linked to Trump, claims to have been U.S. spy https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/12/russia-spy-felix-sater-457013 Quote A Russian-born businessman with ties to President Donald Trump claims to have been a spy working with American intelligence for more than 20 years, according to a statement his spokesman said he provided to government investigators. Felix Sater said in the statement that he “provided extraordinary assistance to our government involving serious matters of National Security, posing tremendous risks to my safety and the safety of my family.” Sater has been drawn into the investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, which are being spearheaded by special counsel Robert Mueller and several congressional committees, because of his apparent ties to potential Trump business deals in Russia. In emails that were reported by the Washington Post last year, Sater appeared to try to convince Trump in 2015 to develop a Trump Tower in Moscow and to visit Russia. Original article (note the way the information was gathered - all second/third hand, no sources, yet a headline so inflammatory it wound up with Sater being called to testify.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/ Here's his original statement: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162-1bee-d513-a767-dfefea980001 Quote "I was born in 1966 in Moscow, Soviet Union with the words Jew stamped in my passport under nationality - not Russian as has been reported about me." Seems to be a pattern developing...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) *************** Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/ *************** Edited March 13, 2018 by Deranged Rhino
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Though I have different thoughts on what Mueller is up to, this article is an important read: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257335/robert-muellers-beltway-cover-up Quote That’s because Mueller’s job is to obscure the abuses of the US surveillance apparatus that occurred under the Obama administration. The fact that someone at the level of former FBI director was called in to sweep up the mess left by bad actors in the bureau and Central Intelligence Agency and other parts of the intelligence bureaucracy suggests that the problems are even worse than previously thought. And that means the constituency for Mueller’s political intervention is enormous. Mueller is said to believe that the Prince meeting was to set up a back channel with the Kremlin. But that makes no sense. According to the foundational text of the collusion narrative, the dossier allegedly written by former British spy Christopher Steele, the Kremlin had cultivated Trump himself for years. So what’s the purpose of a back channel, when Vladimir Putin already had a key to the front door of Mar-a-Lago? Further, the collusion thesis holds that the Trump circle teamed with high-level Russian officials for the purpose of winning the 2016 election. How does a meeting that Erik Prince had a week before Trump’s inauguration advance the crooked election victory plot? It doesn’t—it contradicts it. It absolutely contradicts the narrative... but there's no honesty left in those who have married themselves to the collusion delusion. Quote The fact that Mueller has zeroed in on Prince points to a key motive behind his ongoing investigation. Prince was thrown into the middle of Russiagate after an April 3, 2017 Washington Post story reported his meeting with the Russian banker. But how did anyone know about the meeting? After the story came out, Prince said he was shown “specific evidence” by sources from the intelligence community that the information was swept up in the collection of electronic communications and his identity was unmasked. The US official or officials who gave his name to the Post broke the law when they leaked classified intelligence. “Unless The Washington Post has somehow miraculously recruited the bartender of a hotel in the Seychelles,” Prince told the House Intelligence Committee in December, “the only way that’s happening is through SIGINT [signals intelligence].” Mueller presumably knows whether Prince’s name was indeed unmasked and then leaked to the press—and that the leak was a crime. Mueller certainly knows that most of the case he has regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election was built by abuses of the foreign intelligence surveillance apparatus and other related crimes that are punishable with jail time. The identity of Trump’s short-tenured National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was swept up and leaked to the press in the same way as Prince’s. It was leaked to the same newspaper, the Washington Post. Much more at the link...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... I'll just leave this here: Felix Sater, businessman linked to Trump, claims to have been U.S. spy https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/12/russia-spy-felix-sater-457013 Original article (note the way the information was gathered - all second/third hand, no sources, yet a headline so inflammatory it wound up with Sater being called to testify.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/ Here's his original statement: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162-1bee-d513-a767-dfefea980001 Seems to be a pattern developing... Ok, and what?? 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Though I have different thoughts on what Mueller is up to, this article is an important read: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257335/robert-muellers-beltway-cover-up It absolutely contradicts the narrative... but there's no honesty left in those who have married themselves to the collusion delusion. Much more at the link... It does not contradict anything. Just because the Russians got Trump elected means they then walked away from their most important asset ever? Ya right!
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: *************** Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/ *************** More on this... Just some facts to consider: Perkins Coie received more than $12M from the Clinton Campaign and the DNC during the 2016 election cycle. Fusion GPS was paid just over $1M for its research on Trump. The oppo firm paid Steele just under $178k for his work on the dossier. Who else is curious where the rest of the $11M went? Allow me to take a stab: * The creation of "Russian" troll farms * CrowdStrike/Warren Flood to create Guccifer 2.0 * IT Consultants to create Alfa-Bank DNS logs * Natalia V (Russian Lawyer from TT meeting) * Papadapolous * Manafort * Page (possibly) I'm sure there's more... These are the questions real reporters should be running down instead of blindly believing the word of the USIC without followup.
Bob in Mich Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation. They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election? Seriously? If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you? If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private. 2
boyst Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation. They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election? Seriously? If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you? If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private. Do you have proof of this or are you just a !@#$n retard? 44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: *************** Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/ *************** The excuse will be it doesn't matter because everyone does it. Of America can forgive the Patriots for cheating and annoint then the best team ever than people can say Clinton dindunuffin.
Bob in Mich Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Boyst, why are you such an ass? Do you have to work at it or does it come easy to you?
Taro T Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation. They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election? Seriously? If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you? If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private. No. What people have been saying about revelations that Mueller's investigation is that finding that Trump's team was trying to establish "backdoor connections" in January doesn't make sense if they ALREADY (allegedly) had connections. Which, to have colluded in the Fall, they would necessarily have to have had. Wtf do they need to set up connections if those connections already exist? Either they already had connections & didn't need new connections or they couldn't have colluded prior to the election because they didn't have connections. (Or, both stories are bunk; but even giving you the benefit of the doubt saying 1 might be true, which one is it Bob?) Edited March 13, 2018 by Taro T 1
Bob in Mich Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Good questions. I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication. If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving. Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement. After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help. They wouldn't need day to day guidance. After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding. For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon? Speculation to be sure but you asked.
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 If Trump did anything to work with the Russians during the election that meant he was compromised and open to blackmail. Ya, why would they be talking after the election, gees, who knows?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Good questions. I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication. If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving. Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement. After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help. They wouldn't need day to day guidance. After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding. For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon? Speculation to be sure but you asked. That's not speculation. It's fantasy. Counterintelligence operations don't work like that.
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Hey another joke!! https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/roger-stone-claimed-contact-with-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-in-2016-according-to-two-associates/2018/03/13/a263f842-2604-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.9060481e2929 “I wish him no ill will, but Sam can manically and persistently call you,” Stone said, recalling that Nunberg had called him on a Friday to ask about his plans for the weekend. “I said, ‘I think I will go to London for the weekend and meet with Julian Assange.’ It was a joke, a throwaway line to get him off the phone. The idea that I would meet with Assange undetected is ridiculous on its face.’ ’’
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 For a guy who claims he just wants Mueller to finish his work because it's important, Bob sure doesn't like to read the indictments or deal with any bits of the Mueller probe which doesn't fit into his pre-determined conclusion. He also demonstrates with the post above he has no idea what happened in 2016, how an election could be swung, or how real life espionage works. That's what happens when your best sources of news are Sour Diesel and the Young Turks.
thebug Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not speculation. It's fantasy. Counterintelligence operations don't work like that. Get over yourself! Like you have any !@#$ing clue how "counterintelligence operations" work. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 8:31 AM, Deranged Rhino said: So is this... (keep up, going deep) Glenn Simpson worked with California Strategies and registered as a foreign lobbyist for Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE. It gets more interesting the deeper you dig into this connection... including this, $40k claim for Simpsons' company SNS Global: Adding on to this after some more digging... GLENN SIMPSON worked for 44 and was responsible for starting the "Keeping GOP Honest" campaign that put eight Americans on a hit list and ruined their businesses - just for daring to voice political opposition to the party in power. "Keeping GOP Honest" put Romney's donors on a hit list, then Obama weaponized the IRS to give every one of them numerous audits. If Mitt Romney were an honest man, he would have said this two years ago when Fusion first popped back into the news cycle: Glenn Simpson and Larry Sabato also "investigated" the Christian Coalition under 42 and ominously reporting they were shrouded in secrecy. This sparked Bill Clinton's FEC lawsuit against the Christian Coalition that would only be dismissed after a long, bitter battle: The attack on the Christian Coalition lead to the same brutal tactics we are now familiar with - endless audits by the IRS and crippling legal fees designed to silence dissenting opinion. This is how the elites choose to fight those who disagree with their views - and they more often than not hired Glenn Simpson to be a party of their brown shirt brigade. Simpson is the go-to-hitman for the DNC and everyone knows this - including the FBI and CIA because they've worked with him for decades doing exactly that. He's also no stranger to the never Trumpers in the GOP either. The way to fight this tactic in the future? The best way is to prohibit and/or regulate our Intel community from outsourcing. https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-unthinkable-consequences-of-outsourcing-u-s-intelligence/237793/ Seeing where this is going yet, folks? 14 minutes ago, thebug said: Get over yourself! Like you have any !@#$ing clue how "counterintelligence operations" work. I know much more than Bob apparently.
Taro T Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: Good questions. I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication. If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving. Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement. After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help. They wouldn't need day to day guidance. After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding. For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon? Speculation to be sure but you asked. They had a successful conspiracy working across multiple states where the conspirators only met & communicated 1 time? How does that even seem REMOTELY plausible? The Russians must have mad political skills, which would explain how Communist organizations won the Cold War.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Taro T said: They had a successful conspiracy working across multiple states where the conspirators only met & communicated 1 time? How does that even seem REMOTELY plausible? The Russians must have mad political skills, which would explain how Communist organizations won the Cold War. Allow me to set the scene, here's how Bob and others imagine the plot began... Putin and Trump got together sometime in 2015 over Vodka and vintage pornography (water sports, of course) and had a discussion that went something like this: PUTIN: "Donald, I wish to make you president." TRUMP: "I already am president of my company, Vlad." PUTIN: "No, president of the United States of America." TRUMP: "Why would I want that job? It's for losers!" PUTIN: "Fear not, you will be puppet. I will make all decisions, freeing you to play golf while I destroy America from within and restore the Soviet empire." TRUMP: "I don't know Vlad, that sounds pretty far out. What's in it for me?" PUTIN: "It will cost you millions of dollars in legal fees, ruin what remains of your reputation, and you will be in the spotlight like never before which will put a crimp in your social life. But if you manage to avoid indictment and prosecution, Russia will allow you to open a hotel for half price." TRUMP: "That sounds like the sort of deal I'm known for negotiating. I'm IN. How are you going to do it, Vlad?" PUTIN: "We will accomplish this great feat by using our absolute worst hackers, hackers who leave obvious Russian finger prints and who are unable to penetrate any election systems or change any votes because they are thwarted by the feeble American cyber defenses. We will create FaceBook ads which very few people will see and the bulk of which will be run after the election is already complete. We will also require your son to meet with some of my people during the campaign - but only after we leave an obvious trail which details your son's desire to gain access to 'stolen' emails from the Clinton campaign acquired by Russians. Then, once the election is over, we will risk exposing our own involvement in the operation by needlessly trying to set up 'back channels' with fringe members of your campaign. This will serve no purpose to Russia other than to expose the ties between your campaign and myself to the world so that the media will go into overdrive trying to prove the conspiracy we hatched here tonight." TRUMP: "...." PUTIN: "So, Donald, what do you say?" TRUMP: "You're a crazy fukker, Vlad, but I DIG THAT about you! Sounds good. Run it all by Ivanka and Jared and they'll make sure I remember. Now, can we PLEASE go on that bike ride now?" PUTIN: "Sure, comrade." 6
Nanker Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for finally connecting the dots for us. That just makes SOOOOOOOO much sense. We can finally see what all the collusion was about and how it happened. It’s abundantly clear now why he gets two scoops of ice cream. 1
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