boyst Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 And that means what? See, hearsay and conjecture make great headlines and soap operas but they do little to nothing in real life. It's been over a year. There is nothing to the Russia/Trump thing that will blow our minds or do anything more than create more disenfranchised Americans clinging to their one half of Republican Oligarchy in hopes they don't suck at life. Chances are, they suck at life.
row_33 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 but when you have a conspiracy you also cover it up perfectly, so that's why Mueller has nothing, because they covered it up as well, got it???
Tiberius Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 23 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Except that as time marches on there's a dearth of evidence supporting Trump and Russian election collusion and mounting evidence that there was a coordinated effort within the federal government and the IC to aid the Clinton campaign and derail Trumps. Try to be more like a baseball umpire. Stand back a bit and call balls and strikes as they happen. No, there is only a dearth of evidence in your mind. The evidence has been stated time and time again, you just ignore it
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, garybusey said: What's the status of relations between Qatar and the UAE at the moment? Are they feuding? Blockading? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40173757 https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-gulf-qatar-wto/qatar-escalates-uae-trade-dispute-asks-wto-to-adjudicate-idUKKBN1CH2VT https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/middleeast/saudi-bahrain-egypt-uae-qatar-terror/index.html That's relevant, no? As is the beef with KSA in light of everything else going down today. So is this... (keep up, going deep) Glenn Simpson worked with California Strategies and registered as a foreign lobbyist for Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE. It gets more interesting the deeper you dig into this connection... including this, $40k claim for Simpsons' company SNS Global: FARA documents by California Strategies show a $55k payment to Glenn Simpson's company. California Strategies, it should be noted, is run by former Clinton staff including Chris Lehane (the guy who lead the Lewinsky smear). Here's where this starts to get fun, and ties back into why Mueller would be interested in the UAE... Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE hired all of these people to forge better relations with the USA - which of course meant a contribution to the Clinton Foundation while she was SecState: On that very same filing, Glenn Simpson was paid $233k - meaning Simpson and Clinton were on the same disgruntled UAE prince's payroll in 2009 (this is the same path that got Manafort busted by Mueller FYI...): To add to the confusion, Simpson registered his lobbying company under Energy/Nuclear but failed to actually register with FARA: Let's look closer at California Strategies - whose work has been described as a "coup" and involved trumped up sex scandals and email hacking (sound familiar?): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/06/peter-cathcart-base-coup And - if we dig deeper, we find out Khalid was more than likely working FOR IRAN in 2009 when he was hiring Simpson and Clinton cronies: These are all things reports knew - and have been quiet about during this Russian investigation. Wonder why? http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/66195-deposed-sheik-hires-former-reporter-in-lobbying-effort We now know how deeply the WSJ and Fusion GPS connections run... which makes this redacted lawsuit all the more interesting now: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4365104-Johnson-v-CIA-Order.html This lawsuit is CURRENT and about passing classified intel to reporters... and loops in CrowdStrike (there's that name again): This was the reporter: And that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how dirty Simpson is - and the pattern he follows. Here's some more in Venezuela - where Fusion has done amazing work gutting the people and helping the regime: https://medium.com/@alek.boyd/fusion-gps-accesory-to-crimes-60b7edc2ca25 UAE connections being probed by Mueller have FAR more to do with Simpson/Clinton than Trump. ********************************************************************************************************* Gary laughs before he even reads it... What's that saying I like to use again... oh, right: When a wise man hears of the Truth, he immediately begins to live it. When an average man hears of the Truth, he believes some of it and doubts the rest. When a foolish man hears of the Truth, he laughs out loud at the very idea. If it were not for that laugh, it would not be the Truth. Edited March 12, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1
B-Man Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 MUELLER’S FORTHCOMING ASSAULT ON THE SEPARATION OF POWERS? Bloomberg: “When it comes to the obstruction portion of the investigation, Mueller is said to be focused on three main episodes: Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey last May; the drafting of a misleading statement about the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between Don Jr., Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and a group of Russians at Trump Tower; and the disclosure that Trump considered firing Mueller last June.” The first and third of these are part of the Executive’s constitutional authority to hire and fire whomever he wants who works for him. It’s hard to imagine that the Supreme Court would ultimately uphold obstruction of justice charges against a president for firing his underlings, unless perhaps the president knew that the individual in question was literally just about to indict him. The view of the executive branch that Comey seems to be operating under, that the FBI director and special prosecutor are not the president’s agents but are instead somehow independent officials not subject to presidential authority is quite wrong, constitutionally. . 1
Warren Zevon Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, B-Man said: MUELLER’S FORTHCOMING ASSAULT ON THE SEPARATION OF POWERS? Bloomberg: “When it comes to the obstruction portion of the investigation, Mueller is said to be focused on three main episodes: Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey last May; the drafting of a misleading statement about the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between Don Jr., Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and a group of Russians at Trump Tower; and the disclosure that Trump considered firing Mueller last June.” The first and third of these are part of the Executive’s constitutional authority to hire and fire whomever he wants who works for him. It’s hard to imagine that the Supreme Court would ultimately uphold obstruction of justice charges against a president for firing his underlings, unless perhaps the president knew that the individual in question was literally just about to indict him. The view of the executive branch that Comey seems to be operating under, that the FBI director and special prosecutor are not the president’s agents but are instead somehow independent officials not subject to presidential authority is quite wrong, constitutionally. . Linking to an article on Bloomberg, then pasting a direct quote from another source (without quotes) is a fantastic example of plagiarism.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Former DNI James Clapper Allegedly Leaked to CNN, investigation revealed House Intelligence Committee finds no evidence of Trump Russia collusion https://saraacarter.com/former-dni-james-clapper-allegedly-leaked-to-cnn-investigation-revealed/ Quote Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper allegedly leaked information to CNN in early last year regarding the classified briefing given to then President-Elect Donald Trump and President Barrack Obama on the salacious dossier and its contents claiming the Russians had compromising information on the president-elect, according to government sources, who noted the evidence of the leak was collected during the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation. Enjoy what's coming, Mr. Clapper. History will not be kind to you. Dems spin already starting:
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Do I correctly remember reading something last week about the CIA alleging that it possessed the proper authority to leak classified information to various media outlets selectively? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Do I correctly remember reading something last week about the CIA alleging that it possessed the proper authority to leak classified information to various media outlets selectively? I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin. I wish I had paid more attention to it when I saw it. Unfortunately I did not, and cannot source it (though I shall try). I posted in the hope that another poster may have seen the same thing, and could verify. As such, please accept it as completely unverified and not to be relied on without independent verification. Edit: found it and posted below Edited March 12, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 1
B-Man Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Was it this..............from the Deep State thread ..................... On 3/7/2018 at 6:39 PM, B-Man said: DEEP-STATE LOGIC AT WORK: In one of the most insane arguments ever made by government lawyers, the CIA is claiming that even though they leaked complete documents to favored reporters, those documents are still not subject to disclosure to the public at large under FOIA. According to Techdirt: “[T]he CIA would like to be able to selectively leak classified information while retaining the privilege of denying every other member of the public access to these leaks. If the selected journalists choose to publish classified info handed to them by the CIA, only then does it enter the public domain, according to the the CIA. Otherwise, the CIA will decide what’s classified and withholdable, not judges or logic or common sense.” The intelligence community hates leakers, unless it’s the agencies themselves doing the leaking. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180218/08304939261/cia-still-arguing-official-leaks-to-journalists-shouldnt-be-subject-to-foia-requests.shtml Out of a Silicon Valley mouthpiece. 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Was it this..............from the Deep State thread ..................... That's the piece. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180218/08304939261/cia-still-arguing-official-leaks-to-journalists-shouldnt-be-subject-to-foia-requests.shtml Out of a Silicon Valley mouthpiece. That's the piece. Thanks! 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 LONG POST WARNING Where's Tony Podesta? It’s been five months since we learned Tony Podesta was being investigated by Special Counsel Mueller. So… what’s happening? What facts do we have? And why hasn't Tony Podesta been indicted? Let’s take a close look at the timeline with a focus on Tony Podesta. This is intense, but I think worthwhile: 3/29/16 – Paul Manafort joined the Trump campaign and then became campaign Chairman on May 19 8/14/16 – NYT Reported that a secret ledger in the Ukraine lists cash payments to Paul Manafort: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html 8/19/16 – Paul Manafort resigns as campaign Chair for the Trump Campaign. 8/21/16 – Roger stone tweets about the “Podestas” 4/3/17 – Trump tweets about Tony Podesta and Russian connections : 4/6/17 – Senator Grassley sends a letter to the DOJ on potential FARA violations regarding Podesta, Manafort and their work with the government of the Ukraine: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2017-04-06 CEG to DOJ (Manafort Podesta FARA).pdf 4/12/17 – Within days of Grassley’s letter, the Podesta Group files new FARA disclosures in Manafort linked Ukraine lobbying for European Centre for Modern Ukraine (ECMU – remember this name) https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163 Here's The FULL Podesta Group retroactive FARA filing, including a cover letter from their lawyers explaining the firm’s lobbying work for ECMU: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-6331-db04-ad5b-7bb9804c0000 In the cover letter the lawyer, representing the Podesta Group, noted they previously registered under Lobbying Disclosure Act (LDA). At the time, Podesta Group claimed they did NOT know they were lobbying for a foreing government via ECMU. This is a lie and a crime. An LDA form is used to disclose lobbying for non-government-organizations (NGOs). FARA is required by law when lobbying is done on behalf of a Foreign Government of political party. Lying on (or failing to file) a FARA disclosure form is a crime. The Podesta Group originally filed a LDA form, as part of the scheme with Manafort and Gates, to hide who they were actually working for: President Yanukovych and the Government of the Ukraine. They are pleading ignorance, but the evidence shows they knew the entire time... From the cover letter: “The Podesta Group acknowledges that… it’s work for tECMU could be interpreted as principally benefiting a foreign government.” The Podesta Group’s cover letter and backdated FARA filings were disclosed BEFORE the Manafort and Gates indictments. They are littered with false and misleading statements. This is a crime. Based on what we know from the Manafort Gates indictments, here are some laws Podesta broke: “Unregistered agent of a foreign principal”: 22 USC 612 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/612 “False and misleading FARA statements 22 USC 618(a)(1) & (2) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/618 The Podesta Group could also be charged with “False statements” 18 USC 2, 1001(a) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001 07/22/17 – Trump tweets again about Podesta: 10/24/17 – Six months after their retroactive FARA filing, NBC reports that Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group were swept up in the Russia investigation headed by Mueller: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776 Please watch the 6 min video linked in the article below: Tucker Carlson spoke with an information (whistleblower) inside the Podesta Group. This senior level employee told Tucker has has already been interviewed by Mueller. Note the mentions of ECMU and the Clinton Foundation: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/tucker_carlson_source_podesta_brothers_and_manafort_not_trump_central_figures_in_mueller_probe.html 10/30/17 – The indictment of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are unsealed. They’re charged with 12 counts, including Conspiracy, money laundering, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, False and misleading FARA statements and more: https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download 10/30/17 – That same day, Politico reports that Tony Podesta is stepping down from the Podesta Group because of the Mueller probe. Coincidence? No chance in hell. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314 10/30/17 – NBC reports that Podesta Group and Mercury LLC are Companies “A” and “B” mentioned in the Manafort/Gates indictment. This is obvious based on Podesta’s retroactive FARA filing and the Grassley letter. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/sources-podesta-group-mercury-are-companies-b-indictment-n815721 Here are some highlights from the Manafort/Gates indictment that are very damaging for the Podesta Group: * Page 4 (11) – ECMU created as a mouthpiece for Yanukovych. Used by Manafort, Gates, AND OTHERS in order to lobby… * Page 15 (20) – This is the key sentence that incriminates Podesta Group and Mercury LLC: In February 2012, “Gates wrote to Company A that it would be ‘representing the government of Ukraine in (Washington) D.C.” Both lobbying firm knew the scheme from the start: * Page 16 – Gates DIRECTED Company A and B to prepare assessment of lobbying efforts so the "PRESIDENT" (Yanukovych) could be briefed by "PAUL". * Page 16 (22) – “Company A and B engaged in extensive lobbying for Ukraine. Manafort and Gates used offshore bank accounts to secretly pay $4M for a report.” * Page 16 (23) – “Manafort/Gates arranged for ECMU to be nominal client of Company A and B even though ECMU was under ultimate direction of Government of Ukraine and Yanukovych.” "Company A and B were paid through offshore accounts associated with Manafort and Gates. They were not paid by ECMU." * According to the indictment, the lobbying firms (Podesta and Mercury) were paid more than $2M from offshore accounts controlled by Manafort and set up by Gates. * Page 17 of the indictment states: “Gates communicated FALSE TALKING POINTS to Company B in writing.” * Page 18 – Company B worried about all the Email traffic and: “Heaven knows what former employees of Company B or Company A might say.” Well, we know they are all singing now. * Page 19 sums up the entire conspiracy. Everyone knew they were involved in hiding the identity of who they were lobbying for. It details weekly calls, frequent emails and reports needed to brief Yanukovych. They all lied, BUT Mueller has overwhelming evidence of the plot. 10/31/17 – Trump tweets this: (he knows everything already… because Mueller is working with Trump) 11/3/17 – Mueller Grand Jury investigating Top DC lobbyists. https://www.apnews.com/a7589ef1d4034a08b93d966abbb05017 Quote “At the center of the widening probe are TONY PODESTA… and Vin Weber, former GOP Congressman and leader of Mercury LLC.” Quote "FBI Agents working for Mueller are asking witnesses about meetings between Gates, Podesta and Weber to discuss lobbying work for Ukraine.” In early November, just weeks after Tony resigned, there are multiple reports that the Podesta Group will completely shut down by November 15: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/10/podesta-group-last-days-244799 2/8/18 – Trump tweets about Podesta AGAIN... almost like he knows what's coming... because he does: 2/23/18 – Mueller flips Rick Gates. This was huge, but not for the reasons most in the media think. Gates knows details of the entire conspiracy between ECMU/Manafort/Podesta/Mercury. He also knows the details of why and how Manafort came to be on Trump's team (through the Podesta Group). Why? Because Gates helped set it all up! https://saraacarter.com/gates-pleads-guilty-two-criminal-charges/ So, WHY hasn't Tony Podesta and others been indicted yet? Because they had to get the little fish to flip first - not to get closer to Trump but to get closer to the Podestas. Because through the Podestas you get to the DNC/HRC/44. In Gate’s Plea he agreed to FULL cooperation. This means he will testify against everyone as he was giving out orders to Podesta Group, Mercury, etc. Gates set up the offshore bank accounts to facilitate money laundering and tax evasion - he's the key to a lot of dirt on two of the largest lobbying firms on K-Street. Expect Tony Podesta and other Podesta Group employees and Mercury LLC to be indicted within the next few months. Expect even more crimes to surface, more whistleblowers and deals as well. This is where the Mueller investigation is headed: Always has… But let's remember this is just ONE criminal investigation that Podesta is involved in as we speak. The Podesta Group also lobbied for Uranium One - that rabbit hole goes VERY deep: http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/05/tony-podesta-lobbied-for-russias-uranium-one-and-did-not-file-as-a-foreign-agent/ Here’s a list of the possible crimes the Podesta Group is looking at JUST from Manafort / Gates stuff: *Conspiracy *Unregistered agent of a foreign principal *False and misleading FARA statements *Tax evasion *Money laundering. It’s only a matter of time before more indictments related to Ukraine lobbying and the Podesta Group scandal drop. With Gates flipping the floodgates have opened and it’s game over for Tony Podesta and Manafort both. But major criminal investigations take months/years to complete. This is just one of many current, large criminal investigations going on right now. Justice is coming. Be patient… 1
Nanker Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Way to obfuscate with details and facts, DR. FWIW, if and when they get around to indicting that worthless POS Tony Podesta, I'll wager that he'll off himself before it gets to a trial.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, Nanker said: Way to obfuscate with details and facts, DR. FWIW, if and when they get around to indicting that worthless POS Tony Podesta, I'll wager that he'll off himself before it gets to a trial.
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Former acting CIA director John McLaughlin blasted Republicans. “As a subject or observer of Cong[ressional] oversight of intell[igence] for 40 years, I’ve never seen a party drive a stake [through] the process as House [Republicans] just did,” he tweeted. “It depends on a bi-partisan approach that at least gives the minority a voice. Take that away and the thing dies. It just did.”
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Now the left has moved on from praising Obama's lying, dirty, CIA heads to praising Bush's lying, dirty, CIA heads. Why is the left suddenly obsessed with CIA agents? A number of them are RUNNING FOR SEATS. Hmmm... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/18/daily-202-ex-cia-officers-running-for-congress-as-democrats/59e6b25b30fb041a74e75de5/?utm_term=.dffbad1e8029 The fact the left is so openly colluding now with the CIA and USIC - organizations traditionally eyed with suspicion by the left and for good reason - is yet another astounding transformation of their platform. They moved to pro-war side under Clinton's campaign, then into heavy right wing conspiracy mimicry with the Russian collusion delusion, now they're openly backing CIA candidates to run for Congress. People are nuts. *******************************************
DC Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Now the left has moved on from praising Obama's lying, dirty, CIA heads to praising Bush's lying, dirty, CIA heads. Why is the left suddenly obsessed with CIA agents? A number of them are RUNNING FOR SEATS. Hmmm... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/18/daily-202-ex-cia-officers-running-for-congress-as-democrats/59e6b25b30fb041a74e75de5/?utm_term=.dffbad1e8029 The fact the left is so openly colluding now with the CIA and USIC - organizations traditionally eyed with suspicion by the left and for good reason - is yet another astounding transformation of their platform. They moved to pro-war side under Clinton's campaign, then into heavy right wing conspiracy mimicry with the Russian collusion delusion, now they're openly backing CIA candidates to run for Congress. People are nuts. ******************************************* The 50's called, they want their foreign AND domestic policies back.
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