njbuff Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Let's dig into the newest indictment of Alex Van der Zwaan. This is REALLY complex but interesting because of how neatly it ties in the Clinton Foundation, the DNC, McCain, Steele, the Podesta Group, and how the dossier was shopped/bolstered... just not in the way most will expect. I have a busy day today, and this bit is something I've been tracking for months now and I'm swimming in sources and connections - enough to make me cross eyed. So bear with me, I'll try to lay it out below as quickly and concisely as possible. Some of it though, you're going to have to dig for yourself to make the connections. On to der Zwaan - who is being charged with lying to the FBI and SC in relation to work he did for the Ukrainian government in 2012: https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information Let me emphasize this for the cheap seats: 2012. This has nothing to do with Trump, the only connection to Trump is Zwaan's association with Gates - which, as we'll see, is more about Manafort and the DNC than anyone else. So why does this indictment matter then? Well, I argue it shows what Mueller is really after with Manafort/Gates' indictments. It's not about Russia directly, it's about the Ukraine and the illegal lobbying Manafort and Podesta were doing for pro Russian Ukrainians and Putin by extension. A brief recap: Gates/Manafort and the Podesta Group were hired by the then ruling political party in the Ukraine to smear Yulia Tymoshenko - a former Prime Minister of Ukraine who was pro-EU and NATO membership. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/18/trump-advisers-manafort-and-gates-waged-covert-influence-campaign-for-previous-ukraine-ruling-party.html Tymoshenko was the victim of a series of politically motivated court cases in which she was framed for embezzlement and other white collar crimes for which she was cleared years later: http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2015/01/ukraine-court-discontinues-examination-of-tymoshenko-human-rights-complaint/ Does that pattern sound familiar to anyone? Dirty political tricks, deployed by DC lobbyists, to frame a political rival of the man paying the bills. This wasn't about securing American interests, Tymoshenko was a western leaning Ukrainian voice. Once Putin and Porenshenko wanted to sideline. Van der Zwaan got nipped for lying to the FBI and SC about a phone call with Gates (which Gates had recorded) - the call and the lie happened after Manafort was already fired from Trump's campaign, and after Gates was marginalized to the fringes. Per the indictment he lied "in the course of answering questions concerning his work as an attorney... engaged in 2012 by the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice to prepare a report on the trail of Yulia Tymoshenko." In other words, this isn't about Trump, the Russians, or the election. It's about the Ukraine and DC lobbyists working for Putin loyalists in 2012-2016. This reared it's head in our election when in 2016, the Ukrainians worked with the same DC lobbyists and shell companies to smear Trump: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 Now, let's look at the original indictments for Gates and Manafort as we walk this out more... https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download Manafort and Gates were both unregistered foreign agents working for the Ukraine - including Poreshenko - to smear a pro western former PM Tymoshenko... with the assistance of the Podesta Group and der Zwaan's law firm Skadden. What was the former Skadden Lawyer's role in all of this? The investigation into whether the Yanukovych-era Ministry of Justice subverted procurement procedures to hire Skadden and then embezzle money to pay the firm was opened before Yanukovych fled the country and heated up after the 2014 revolution. Skadden was hired to produce a report justifying to the U.S. government Yanukovych's jailing of Tymoshenko for her signing a controversial gas deal with Russia in 2009. The first Mutual Legal Assistance Request was sent to the US in December of 2014 and followed up with two additional requests and four "reminders". Ukrainian reps from the PGO's international legal assistance office visited DC in December 2016 and were stonewalled in their attempts to get answers. In March of 2017, CNN published an article saying that Ukrainian prosecutors wanted to question Manafort. The same month, then FBI-Director Comey was asked about the Ukrainian requests during his congressional testimony. Prosecutors wanted to question members of the Skadden team who came to Ukraine to work on the report, including two key former Obama AND Clinton Administration officials: • Gregory Craig (He was WH counsel for Obama for two years, and also represented Clinton during his impeachment) • Clifford Sloan Prosecutors also wished to speak to the London-based associate (now charged by Mueller) Alex Van der Zwaan. But: "Our requests for depositions were not fulfilled" Gorbatyuk said. However court orders show that Gorbatyuk's team has received access to phone records from Skadden's time in Kyiv, showing their communications with Yanukovych's government and Party of Regions officials. Here's the report Skadden compiled which Manafort and the Podesta Group used against Tymoshenko: https://minjust.gov.ua/files/general/2012/12/13/201212130000005581.pdf The Podesta Group and the Mercury Group pushed the anti Tymoshenko narrative in the states while FTI Consulting was hired by Skadden to push the report in Europe. This is a pattern which we will see being repeated with the dossier... But before we get there, let's dig deeper into Skadden's political donations and connections through the years: Prominent partners in the firm backed Kerry in 2004, bundling money for him with a rogues gallery of creeps (Epstein, Weinstein). http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/05/Business/Business_leaders_for_.shtml Skadden was one of the top law firms to donate in 2012, with %76 of their contributions going to the DNC. https://web.archive.org/web/20120226090432/http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_15/b3878044.htm The candidate they backed in 2015-2016? HRC: This is a connection Skadden has been trying to scrub from the interwebs. They've already tended to their own site: Here's Skadden's website where they've already purged der Zwaan: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/alex-van-der-zwaan They also scrubbed Craig's page: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/greg-b-craig And hey, look at this: https://www.burson-marsteller.com/global-leadership/ Who's Beneson? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=Benenson+&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult ... Just HRC's chief campaign strategist who was all over the media when Podesta's emails broke claiming that they were not accurate (a claim that's long since been debunked). He also shows up in Grassley's January letter: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-01-25 CEG LG to Benenson (Steele Dossier).pdf Let's turn to Sloan: In March of 2008, Cliff Sloan stepped down as publisher of Slate to join Skadden. https://web.archive.org/web/20080724135334/https://www.pr-inside.com/slate-announces-new-publisher-r492456.htm Sloan was associate WH counsel to WJC before Slate, and in June of 2013 he joined the State Department as an envoy hand picked by Obama and tasked with shutting down Gitmo: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/06/16/192454904/obama-expected-to-name-top-lawyer-to-close-guantanamo But in December of 14, Kerry announced Sloan was leaving - a decision that caught the administration off guard but happened only after nearly two dozen Gitmo detainees had been released back into the wild. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-state-departments-guantanamo-envoy-resigns-2014-12 Sloan was a close confidant to Kerry: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/23/us/politics/guantnamo-envoy-cliff-sloan-quits-amid-delays-in-prisoner-releases.html?_r=0 Hey, then look who shows up in this article helping Buzzfeed! None other than the PR firm hired by Podesta Group and Manafort to spread the smear campaign in Europe - FTI: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/12/former-senior-fbi-official-is-leading-buzzfeeds-effort-to-verify-trump-dossier/ Then, as I was typing this, I noticed this was breaking - and ties in to this post perfectly: (click on the tweet for more) This is yet ANOTHER repeating pattern we've seen. Mueller, Rosenstein and others in the DOJ were actively prevented from being able to prosecute certain entities during Holder's tenure. Now, it seems Mueller is finishing the work he was unable to perform under Holder. This keeps happening... why? Because Mueller isn't investigating what the MSM and DNC think he's investigating. This indictment is further proof of it. There is SO much more here, it's an onion of corruption being exposed, but this should be a good jumping off point for anyone interested in learning more about what's really behind these indictments. It's amazing how I can turn my TV on and I cannot see ANY of this news anywhere at any time. Of course, FOX will come down on the Dems, but I can't find FOX news. DirecTV hides FOX for some reason. I have to go online and learn things from non-media types to get the FULL information on what's going on. It's truly pathetic how MSM is hiding everything that has EVERYTHING to do with the Dems and the left. Truly pathetic. 1
Prickly Pete Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, njbuff said: It's amazing how I can turn my TV on and I cannot see ANY of this news anywhere at any time. Of course, FOX will come down on the Dems, but I can't find FOX news. DirecTV hides FOX for some reason. I have to go online and learn things from non-media types to get the FULL information on what's going on. It's truly pathetic how MSM is hiding everything that has EVERYTHING to do with the Dems and the left. Truly pathetic. Not to be a dick, but you can just "quote" maybe the first line or 2, or if there is a specific part that you want to refer to. This just fills the page with the same massive post over and over.... Edited February 20, 2018 by OJABBA 1
3rdnlng Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, njbuff said: It's amazing how I can turn my TV on and I cannot see ANY of this news anywhere at any time. Of course, FOX will come down on the Dems, but I can't find FOX news. DirecTV hides FOX for some reason. I have to go online and learn things from non-media types to get the FULL information on what's going on. It's truly pathetic how MSM is hiding everything that has EVERYTHING to do with the Dems and the left. Truly pathetic. If I remember correctly, when I had DirecTV it was labeled FNC.
DC Tom Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Not to be a dick, but you can just "quote" maybe the first line or 2, or if there is a specific part that you want to refer to. This just fills the page with the same quote over and over.... No, be a dick. Anyone who quotes a post that long in full deserves it.
Prickly Pete Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: No, be a dick. Anyone who quotes a post that long in full deserves it. I'm trying to be "kinder, gentler".
njbuff Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: If I remember correctly, when I had DirecTV it was labeled FNC. All I know about FOX is that they have hot broads, yet I have no idea what channel it is so I can see these hot broads, lol. All kidding aside, back in the day I had no idea where FOX news was. It was either CNN or MSNBC. And if I watched CNN or MSNBC nowadays, I would be told how much of murdering dictator, traitor, treasonous, corrupter, sexual assaultant that Trump is. Edited February 20, 2018 by njbuff
GG Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Hey Greggy, nice of you to finally come around on the true Ukraine stories. 1
3rdnlng Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: All I know about FOX is that they have hot broads, yet I have no idea what channel it is so I can see these hot broads, lol. Hot broads? Who do you think you are, Boyst? Don't you have a channel guide?
Tiberius Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Let's dig into the newest indictment of Alex Van der Zwaan. This is REALLY complex but interesting because of how neatly it ties in the Clinton Foundation, the DNC, McCain, Steele, the Podesta Group, and how the dossier was shopped/bolstered... just not in the way most will expect. I have a busy day today, and this bit is something I've been tracking for months now and I'm swimming in sources and connections - enough to make me cross eyed. So bear with me, I'll try to lay it out below as quickly and concisely as possible. Some of it though, you're going to have to dig for yourself to make the connections. On to der Zwaan - who is being charged with lying to the FBI and SC in relation to work he did for the Ukrainian government in 2012: https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information Let me emphasize this for the cheap seats: 2012. This has nothing to do with Trump, the only connection to Trump is Zwaan's association with Gates - which, as we'll see, is more about Manafort and the DNC than anyone else. So why does this indictment matter then? Well, I argue it shows what Mueller is really after with Manafort/Gates' indictments. It's not about Russia directly, it's about the Ukraine and the illegal lobbying Manafort and Podesta were doing for pro Russian Ukrainians and Putin by extension. A brief recap: Gates/Manafort and the Podesta Group were hired by the then ruling political party in the Ukraine to smear Yulia Tymoshenko - a former Prime Minister of Ukraine who was pro-EU and NATO membership. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/18/trump-advisers-manafort-and-gates-waged-covert-influence-campaign-for-previous-ukraine-ruling-party.html Tymoshenko was the victim of a series of politically motivated court cases in which she was framed for embezzlement and other white collar crimes for which she was cleared years later: http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2015/01/ukraine-court-discontinues-examination-of-tymoshenko-human-rights-complaint/ Does that pattern sound familiar to anyone? Dirty political tricks, deployed by DC lobbyists, to frame a political rival of the man paying the bills. This wasn't about securing American interests, Tymoshenko was a western leaning Ukrainian voice. Once Putin and Porenshenko wanted to sideline. Van der Zwaan got nipped for lying to the FBI and SC about a phone call with Gates (which Gates had recorded) - the call and the lie happened after Manafort was already fired from Trump's campaign, and after Gates was marginalized to the fringes. Per the indictment he lied "in the course of answering questions concerning his work as an attorney... engaged in 2012 by the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice to prepare a report on the trail of Yulia Tymoshenko." In other words, this isn't about Trump, the Russians, or the election. It's about the Ukraine and DC lobbyists working for Putin loyalists in 2012-2016. This reared it's head in our election when in 2016, the Ukrainians worked with the same DC lobbyists and shell companies to smear Trump: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 Now, let's look at the original indictments for Gates and Manafort as we walk this out more... https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download Manafort and Gates were both unregistered foreign agents working for the Ukraine - including Poreshenko - to smear a pro western former PM Tymoshenko... with the assistance of the Podesta Group and der Zwaan's law firm Skadden. What was the former Skadden Lawyer's role in all of this? The investigation into whether the Yanukovych-era Ministry of Justice subverted procurement procedures to hire Skadden and then embezzle money to pay the firm was opened before Yanukovych fled the country and heated up after the 2014 revolution. Skadden was hired to produce a report justifying to the U.S. government Yanukovych's jailing of Tymoshenko for her signing a controversial gas deal with Russia in 2009. The first Mutual Legal Assistance Request was sent to the US in December of 2014 and followed up with two additional requests and four "reminders". Ukrainian reps from the PGO's international legal assistance office visited DC in December 2016 and were stonewalled in their attempts to get answers. In March of 2017, CNN published an article saying that Ukrainian prosecutors wanted to question Manafort. The same month, then FBI-Director Comey was asked about the Ukrainian requests during his congressional testimony. Prosecutors wanted to question members of the Skadden team who came to Ukraine to work on the report, including two key former Obama AND Clinton Administration officials: • Gregory Craig (He was WH counsel for Obama for two years, and also represented Clinton during his impeachment) • Clifford Sloan Prosecutors also wished to speak to the London-based associate (now charged by Mueller) Alex Van der Zwaan. But: "Our requests for depositions were not fulfilled" Gorbatyuk said. However court orders show that Gorbatyuk's team has received access to phone records from Skadden's time in Kyiv, showing their communications with Yanukovych's government and Party of Regions officials. Here's the report Skadden compiled which Manafort and the Podesta Group used against Tymoshenko: https://minjust.gov.ua/files/general/2012/12/13/201212130000005581.pdf The Podesta Group and the Mercury Group pushed the anti Tymoshenko narrative in the states while FTI Consulting was hired by Skadden to push the report in Europe. This is a pattern which we will see being repeated with the dossier... But before we get there, let's dig deeper into Skadden's political donations and connections through the years: Prominent partners in the firm backed Kerry in 2004, bundling money for him with a rogues gallery of creeps (Epstein, Weinstein). http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/05/Business/Business_leaders_for_.shtml Skadden was one of the top law firms to donate in 2012, with %76 of their contributions going to the DNC. https://web.archive.org/web/20120226090432/http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_15/b3878044.htm The candidate they backed in 2015-2016? HRC: This is a connection Skadden has been trying to scrub from the interwebs. They've already tended to their own site: Here's Skadden's website where they've already purged der Zwaan: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/alex-van-der-zwaan They also scrubbed Craig's page: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/greg-b-craig And hey, look at this: https://www.burson-marsteller.com/global-leadership/ Who's Beneson? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=Benenson+&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult ... Just HRC's chief campaign strategist who was all over the media when Podesta's emails broke claiming that they were not accurate (a claim that's long since been debunked). He also shows up in Grassley's January letter: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-01-25 CEG LG to Benenson (Steele Dossier).pdf Let's turn to Sloan: In March of 2008, Cliff Sloan stepped down as publisher of Slate to join Skadden. https://web.archive.org/web/20080724135334/https://www.pr-inside.com/slate-announces-new-publisher-r492456.htm Sloan was associate WH counsel to WJC before Slate, and in June of 2013 he joined the State Department as an envoy hand picked by Obama and tasked with shutting down Gitmo: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/06/16/192454904/obama-expected-to-name-top-lawyer-to-close-guantanamo But in December of 14, Kerry announced Sloan was leaving - a decision that caught the administration off guard but happened only after nearly two dozen Gitmo detainees had been released back into the wild. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-state-departments-guantanamo-envoy-resigns-2014-12 Sloan was a close confidant to Kerry: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/23/us/politics/guantnamo-envoy-cliff-sloan-quits-amid-delays-in-prisoner-releases.html?_r=0 Hey, then look who shows up in this article helping Buzzfeed! None other than the PR firm hired by Podesta Group and Manafort to spread the smear campaign in Europe - FTI: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/12/former-senior-fbi-official-is-leading-buzzfeeds-effort-to-verify-trump-dossier/ Then, as I was typing this, I noticed this was breaking - and ties in to this post perfectly: (click on the tweet for more) This is yet ANOTHER repeating pattern we've seen. Mueller, Rosenstein and others in the DOJ were actively prevented from being able to prosecute certain entities during Holder's tenure. Now, it seems Mueller is finishing the work he was unable to perform under Holder. This keeps happening... why? Because Mueller isn't investigating what the MSM and DNC think he's investigating. This indictment is further proof of it. There is SO much more here, it's an onion of corruption being exposed, but this should be a good jumping off point for anyone interested in learning more about what's really behind these indictments. Nothing about Seth Rich or Ellen Degenerous?
Nanker Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 See Tom’s post above. No worries. Just DR obfuscating with details and facts.
Tiberius Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Nanker said: See Tom’s post above. No worries. Just DR obfuscating with details and facts. What? Way up past all that trash DR posted? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Facts and information = trash to Tibs and Garybusey. Remember that when you read their "arguments". They don't come from a place of honesty, they come from a place of emotion and the need for their preformed conclusions to be validated. That's why they are so lost on this topic. 1
Koko78 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Nothing about Seth Rich or Ellen Degenerous? So why would Hillary Clinton write a memo about Seth Rich?
outsidethebox Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: What? Way up past all that trash DR posted? Hahaha!!!!! You're so pathetic. Leave your moms basement for some fresh air once in a while.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Wonder if this is Strzok / Page: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2018/f180220.pdf (whomever it is, definitely banged in an FBI car) 1
3rdnlng Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Koko78 said: So why would Hillary Clinton write a memo about Seth Rich? She was abducted and forced to have a conscience installed?
Koko78 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wonder if this is Strzok / Page: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2018/f180220.pdf (whomever it is, definitely banged in an FBI car) Can't be. Says the senior agent involved is no longer employed by the FBI 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Let's talk about hope in the #Resist movement. Hope is clearly in waning supply among the collusion delusion folks. If you had any doubts of this, Sanders' press conference today should remove all doubt: She spent this press conference literally smacking the MSM with their own stupid stick. There were SEVERAL attempts by the WH press corps to ask leading questions based on phony narratives - the same ones we saw "randomly" show up here over the weekend - and she absolutely obliterated them. We heard "Trump hasn't protected America" - and Sanders pointed out how erroneous that was (12/21 sanctions, arming Ukraine, bombing 200 Russians in Syria, calling for investigations et al). Then there was the whole "Trump called Russian election meddling a hoax" nonsense... You recognize both of these gems, they've been repeated by most of the mindless partisans here for the past few days without a lick of honesty. These are talking points the resist movement has fallen deeply in love with over the long weekend since the indictment dropped. Sadly, for them, they just aren't true. And Sanders exposed that repeatedly today: She demolished the "hoax" talking point was bogus by pointing out that A) Trump never said Russia didn't meddle, B) he said they TRIED to meddle but were unsuccessful... which is what RR has said almost verbatim, and finally C) Trump said the narrative that he colluded with Russia was a hoax. You can see the push back and disbelief at her responses in the body language of the press corps AND the responses on social media to the presser. Resisters are STUNNED by her words. They're ANGRY. Why? What's at play here is that hope is dying in the resist movement. We've had yet another day, and another indictment, without a whiff of the collusion they've been PROMISED is coming. Many are just starting to realize this collusion narrative they hitched their wagons to last year is dead. There reaction towards Sanders was palpable and best summed up here: There are many more though who have yet to see this truth because they've been overwhelmed by the propaganda push over the past 15 months. Those are the ones lashing out with nonsense and disbelief and doubling down on long debunked talking points (looking at Bob in Michigan, Tibs, Busey et al) For anyone of the honest folks lurking out there who disagree with what I've been laying out for months on this subject, allow me to point something else out that you've been lied to about. Specifically what happens when witnesses "flip". When someone involved in a CONSPIRACY flips, you get them to testify in court against the hirer ups by holding their feet to the fire. You accomplish this by keeping their case OPEN. You charge the flippers WITH CONSPIRACY - or the highest charges possible - not piddly process crimes. Why? To keep your witness from double crossing you. You don't give them their "reward" until AFTER they testify. Until then you keep the biggest charges open and hanging over their heads. Now go back and look at the indictments so far. NONE of the Americans charged have been charged with Conspiracy or collusion charges. Not one. Several have already been allowed plead guilty to lesser crimes. The Resisters have had a talking point for months Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Papadopolous all flipped on Trump and have been singing like canaries for MONTHS, telling Mueller everything they have about the collusion. This is fantasy. It's a lie. It's not real. And you can prove it quite easily even without pointing out that Papadopolous was ordered to stay away from Trump and his team, or that Strzok believed there was no "there there" in terms of the Mueller probe... Mueller's probe has leaked like a sieve since its inception. We are in a "leak" culture for all intents and purposes. The narrative engineers in the DOJ/FBI and USIC have used strategic leaks to bolster narratives they found favorable for YEARS, something we've seen it escalate with this Russian nonsense. If Mueller or anyone in the FBI/DOJ team found actual evidence of collusion, they would have rushed to get it before the closest cable news camera or microphone. Doubt that? How many times have we seen the resisters THINK they had a smoking gun only to see it blow up in their faces? How many times did they RUSH information out that turned out to be wrong? ... At least six? Maybe eight? Yet we're supposed to believe Mueller has been sitting on several smoking guns and testimony from his flippers for MONTHS and none of it has leaked? Hogwash. We know how the DNC media machine works by now. If they had any proof of anything it would have leaked by now. They didn't have any in May: And they don't have any today. If they did. WE WOULD KNOW IT. They've proven time and time again they cannot keep a secret if it's damaging to Trump. So when I watched the presser today, I saw the resist press corps freaking out. That's rippled out to social media and my daily interactions with resisters in my day job, this feeling is growing... Hope is dying. Doubt is growing. And it's forking glorious to watch. 29 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Can't be. Says the senior agent involved is no longer employed by the FBI Good call. Dammit, that would have been hilarious. 1
njbuff Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, westside said: Hahaha!!!!! You're so pathetic. Leave your moms basement for some fresh air once in a while. So, this Tib character is really Keith Olberman? it explains everything. Lol 2
DC Tom Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wonder if this is Strzok / Page: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2018/f180220.pdf (whomever it is, definitely banged in an FBI car) Quote On one occasion, the SAC misused his official government vehicle in connection with the relationship, which also violated FBI policy. Also misused: official FBI desk; official government office chair; official government office wall; official government water cooler; photocopier; official government tactical radio; official government handcuffs - metal and Flexicuffs; official FBI HRT kneepads and Halligan tool; official FBI K-9 unit leash, collar, and kennel; two official FBI CPR dummies; official government polygraph electrodes; and three official government copies of the Steele Report. 2
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