DC Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, njbuff said: The President is eager to meet with Mueller. I don't know if I would advise him to testify if I was his lawyer. Lawyers are great at mixing up your words and asking the same question a million different times. And Trump does a bang-up job mixing up his words and falling on his face all by himself. Put him in front of an investigator, and you'll as likely as not get a confession of the Lindbergh kidnapping out of him. 1
Warren Zevon Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit 1
snafu Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, garybusey said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit Why is this important? Mueller wasn't fired.
Cugalabanza Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, garybusey said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit No great surprise that Trump wanted & tried to do this. He should consider himself lucky that Don McGahn had some balls & good judgement prevailed that day in June. 1
Wacka Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 You two believe that bastion of fake news, the NYT?
Cugalabanza Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wacka said: You two believe that bastion of fake news, the NYT? Do you doubt that it happened as reported? There are multiple sources and seems solid. We’re not claiming that anything criminal happened. Just more insight into what’s going on in the WH. Edited January 26, 2018 by Cugalabanza
3rdnlng Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Considering Muellers close friendship with Comey he never should have been made Special Counsel in the first place.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cugalabanza said: Do you doubt that it happened as reported? There are multiple sources and seems solid. We’re not claiming that anything criminal happened. Just more insight into what’s going on in the WH. I do. For four reasons. 1. Schmidt is Comey's leak supervisor (check his past) 2. Maggie is nothing but a mouthpiece for unnamed IC sources when they need spin (see HER record, it's abysmal) 3. Timing. 4. Motive for timing. This is a pattern that's repeated - with these same journos - throughout the past year. Each and every time they've been wrong. ... But we'll see. Edited January 26, 2018 by Deranged Rhino my mobile exploded
3rdnlng Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I do. For four reasons. 1. Schmidt is Comey's leak supervisor (check his past) 2. Maggie is nothing but a mouthpiece for unnamed IC sources when they need spin (see HER record, it's abysmal) 3. Timing. 4. Motive for timing. This is a pattern that's repeated - with these same journos - throughout the past year. Each and every time they've been wrong. ... But we'll see. Every time one narrative seems to weaken and become not very believable we get a new narrative denigrating Trump that really doesn't have much "purchase", so to speak. Usually it's by unnamed sources. Besides it seems to always be the NYT or Washington Post that gets these "scoops". 1
Keukasmallie Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 8:40 AM, Tiberius said: At least I can make a coherent argument. You have to resort to dribbling out ab hominem attacks because you are an idiot. You are a Trump supporter. Nice win by the Sabres though. ____________________________________________ Uh, you might want to edit your comment to read, "ad hominem...," misspellings are the curse of the truly ignorant.
Cugalabanza Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Every time one narrative seems to weaken and become not very believable we get a new narrative denigrating Trump that really doesn't have much "purchase", so to speak. Usually it's by unnamed sources. Besides it seems to always be the NYT or Washington Post that gets these "scoops". Wow, you guys are truly in DEEP. 1 1
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 And yes, this can be construed as another attempt to obstruct justice 1
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Quote Thursday’s explosive New York Times story that President Donald Trump ordered the firing of special counsel Robert Mueller last June renewed the public’s focus on the obstruction of justice investigation against Trump, which will soon culminate in Trump’s interview by Mueller. The case against Trump has grown stronger in recent months, and it now appears likely that Mueller will conclude that Trump obstructed justice. That has not always been true. On June 8, 2017, soon after former FBI director James Comey testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee, I told the New York Times, “Based only on what we know now in public, a reasonable prosecutor might bring this case against an ordinary person, but a prudent prosecutor would want more facts before bringing this case against a president.” https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/26/mueller-trump-obstruction-of-justice-russia-216532?lo=ap_a1
snafu Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 What justice did the President obstruct if he didn't fire the Special Prosecutor, and the investigation is ongoing? What justice did the President obstruct if the investigation continued after Comey was fired? 1
Nanker Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Obstruction of justice is exactly what the DOJ, FBI, and the Congressional Democrats and Senators are currently doing. Stonewalling and coverups, withholding evidence, destroying evidence, and refusing to cooperate are hallmarks of the Dems strategy to cover up the fact that there was a plot to overthrow the Trump administration by illegal means.
Cugalabanza Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, snafu said: What justice did the President obstruct if he didn't fire the Special Prosecutor, and the investigation is ongoing? What justice did the President obstruct if the investigation continued after Comey was fired? I happen to agree with this. Those yelling obstruction of justice at this point are wishful thinking. That charge may yet be made, but from what we know at this point, I don't see a case for it. What information exists within Mueller's investigation or any other investigations, we simply do not know. 24 minutes ago, Nanker said: Obstruction of justice is exactly what the DOJ, FBI, and the Congressional Democrats and Senators are currently doing. Stonewalling and coverups, withholding evidence, destroying evidence, and refusing to cooperate are hallmarks of the Dems strategy to cover up the fact that there was a plot to overthrow the Trump administration by illegal means. It's possible that there is some truth to what you're saying here. But, just like with the Russia stuff, it's all conjecture at this point. And tons and tons of misdirection and posturing and disingenuous bull **** from all sides.
boyst Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Cugalabanza said: Wow, you guys are truly in DEEP. So what's your excuse for why Mueller only wants to investigate Obstruction now? If there was no case or evidence how can one obstruct? Isn't that a bit telling to what the situation is and the political climate of the investigation? Comey was exposed. Mueller is in over his head and Trump was lucky enough to be wearing a life vest. 11 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: I happen to agree with this. Those yelling obstruction of justice at this point are wishful thinking. That charge may yet be made, but from what we know at this point, I don't see a case for it. What information exists within Mueller's investigation or any other investigations, we simply do not know. It's possible that there is some truth to what you're saying here. But, just like with the Russia stuff, it's all conjecture at this point. And tons and tons of misdirection and posturing and disingenuous bull **** from all sides. Imagine if the Trump Campaign team lost months of texts. Imagine if the Trump family was unwilling to testify or linked to all sorts of treason level type scandals? If there was any tiny morsel of those things being true than we would see these reports. The media is digging so hard on him they'd uncover it. All we get is some alleged 2 bit porn whore who alleges an affair. Do you not truly think Trump is being investigated as much as Franken, Moore, Taylor Swift's latest boyfriend or any matter like that?
keepthefaith Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 11 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Considering Muellers close friendship with Comey he never should have been made Special Counsel in the first place. Yes and Sessions had no reason to recuse himself.
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Cugalabanza said: I happen to agree with this. Those yelling obstruction of justice at this point are wishful thinking. That charge may yet be made, but from what we know at this point, I don't see a case for it. It just may not matter. I think he obstructed justice, asking for loyalty, asking McCabe who he voted for, admitting he fired Comey for "Russia thing," lying and a few other things. But what does it matter? I don't think this will be tried in a court. And the only way he can be held accountable for interfering with our institutions of justice--a serious thing--is through the political process of impeachment. That will be sh it show of misinformation, grandstanding and useless drama. So I don't know if this goes any where. Now if it can be connected to a conspiracy with Russia to influence our election, that's another matter
Cugalabanza Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It just may not matter. I think he obstructed justice, asking for loyalty, asking McCabe who he voted for, admitting he fired Comey for "Russia thing," lying and a few other things. But what does it matter? I don't think this will be tried in a court. And the only way he can be held accountable for interfering with our institutions of justice--a serious thing--is through the political process of impeachment. That will be sh it show of misinformation, grandstanding and useless drama. So I don't know if this goes any where. Now if it can be connected to a conspiracy with Russia to influence our election, that's another matter I guess. At this point, I feel like a substitute teacher in a class of first graders. This kid says some other kid took his pencil. That kid says the other one is lying. I turn my back and somebody makes a fart noise. Everybody's laughing. Try to find out who did it, everybody points to somebody else. More fart noises. More laughing. It descends into all the kids running around screaming, throwing stuff. Right now all the politicians & pundits need to sit down at their desks with their heads down so we can have a little quiet time. I don't care who started it. Everybody needs to be quiet so we can get some work done here. It's !@#$ing lord of the flies with this crap. Edited January 26, 2018 by Cugalabanza 1
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