Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Right, another one who has no problem with the FBI manipulating evidence, manufacturing probable cause, and lying to prosecutors and courts, all to target US citizens for political purposes.... But you are outraged over the case being dismissed against one of those US citizens. Got it. Enemy of the republic and the rule of law. He's boasting about it. Because he's a bad person. 1
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Right, another one who has no problem with the FBI manipulating evidence, manufacturing probable cause, and lying to prosecutors and courts, all to target US citizens for political purposes.... But you are outraged over the case being dismissed against one of those US citizens. Got it. Nope. Looks to me like homeboy pleaded guilty to a relatively low level offense, got lucky with a shift in the political wind, and now conveniently has some cold feet. Courts don't undo that kind of stuff, no matter what kind of unproven conspiracy theory hoaxers like you come up with.
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 By the time the lefties understand that Flynn was/remains an active military intelligence officer working within a Special Access Program running a counterintelligence sting operation on the traitorous Obama administration, Trump will be re-elected. Absolutely nothing Flynn did was without the full cooperation of Defense Logistics, the DIA, and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I will enjoy the ridicule I receive now to enjoy the sweet "I told you so" in November. This is just too awesome. 1
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Actually, any "evidence" that Flynn lied was from a corrupt investigation. So, in essence, you are ok with the FBI running corrupt investigations and manufacturing cases against US citizens? Please, answer the question about the FBI's role in this He lied. He should not have. He knew what he was doing. And stop making up stuff. So you are saying its ok to lie as long as you can make up an excuse. Literally, that's your point. 1
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Enemy of the republic and the rule of law. He's boasting about it. Because he's a bad person. You are on a roll today! Just now, Reality Check said: By the time the lefties understand that Flynn was/remains an active military intelligence officer working within a Special Access Program running a counterintelligence sting operation on the traitorous Obama administration, Trump will be re-elected. Absolutely nothing Flynn did was without the full cooperation of Defense Logistics, the DIA, and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I will enjoy the ridicule I receive now to enjoy the sweet "I told you so" in November. This is just too awesome. This is awfully hoaxy.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: You are on a roll today! You have had a full week to prove me wrong. Instead, you've chosen to double down on proven lies and fake news. Because you're a joke of a person. And an enemy of this republic and the rule of law. Enjoy the accolades you've earned. 2
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: You are on a roll today! This is awfully hoaxy. You are predictable. Time is on my side. 2
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Nope. Looks to me like homeboy pleaded guilty to a relatively low level offense, got lucky with a shift in the political wind, and now conveniently has some cold feet. Courts don't undo that kind of stuff, no matter what kind of unproven conspiracy theory hoaxers like you come up with. 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: He lied. He should not have. He knew what he was doing. And stop making up stuff. So you are saying its ok to lie as long as you can make up an excuse. Literally, that's your point. You two are hilarious. You are outraged over someone lying to a government official, yet not a peep about a government agency manipulating probable cause in FISA Applications, literally changing the content of documents, lying to courts in order to spy on US citizens, all to set up that same person in order to get to Trump. LOL
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Reminder: Sullivan has skin in the FISA game. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/judge-presiding-over-michael-flynn-criminal-case-is-recused-court-idUSKBN1E202V https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/current-membership 1 4
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You two are hilarious. You are outraged over someone lying to a government official, yet not a peep about a government agency manipulating probable cause in FISA Applications, literally changing the content of documents, lying to courts in order to spy on US citizens, all to set up that same person in order to get to Trump. LOL And yet all of those claims were forfeited upon the plea of guilty, hoaxer. 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You have had a full week to prove me wrong. Instead, you've chosen to double down on proven lies and fake news. Because you're a joke of a person. And an enemy of this republic and the rule of law. Enjoy the accolades you've earned. Fake news. And a hint of copying the libs to own the libs. Sad!
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Fake news. And a hint of copying the libs to own the libs. Sad! All you have left is empty projection. No facts to argue. None. Because you're on the wrong side of history. Enjoy it. We won't forget. 1 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: And yet all of those claims were forfeited upon the plea of guilty, hoaxer. Still haven't directly answered the question of whether or not you are ok with what the FBI did. Indirectly, your approval is inherent in your lack of a response. However, if so, just be open about it and actually say it. 1
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: All you have left is empty projection. No facts to argue. None. Because you're on the wrong side of history. Enjoy it. We won't forget. Let's get to another inarguable point. You cast Volume II of the Mueller report as a story of entrapment. The entrapment affirmative defense, of course, acknowledges that the defendant engaged in the proscribed conduct, but that he/she shouldn't be held liable for such conduct based on prosecutorial overstep. So you admit that there is an open question whether Trump engaged in conduct that could constitute obstruction in the first instance. On that front you and I totally agree.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: Let's get to another inarguable point. You cast Volume II of the Mueller report as a story of entrapment. Incorrect. It's foundation was entirely beyond Mueller's scope. It was an open attempt at sedition. 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: So you admit that there is an open question whether Trump engaged in conduct that could constitute obstruction in the first instance. On that front you and I totally agree. You can't even lie well. You're a ***** lawyer, your own faulty logic betrays that. The investigators and prosecutors on Mueller's team knew BEFORE they started that Trump was NOT guilty of the crime they were investigating him for -- and they dragged it out for two years (and through the midterms) for purely political reasons. That's sedition when it's done knowingly.
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Still haven't directly answered the question of whether or not you are ok with what the FBI did. Indirectly, your approval is inherent in your lack of a response. However, if so, just be open about it and actually say it. I don't know what the FBI did or didn't do. But I know that Flynn pleaded guilty and signed off on the investigatory issues. My understanding of the motion to withdraw the plea is that it's based mostly on his dissatisfaction with the government's change in position with respect to sentencing. Different kettle of fish if that's true, which has nothing to do with your conspiracy theories. 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Incorrect. It's foundation was entirely beyond Mueller's scope. It was an open attempt at sedition. You can't even lie well. You're a ***** lawyer, your own faulty logic betrays that. The investigators and prosecutors on Mueller's team knew BEFORE they started that Trump was NOT guilty of the crime they were investigating him for -- and they dragged it out for two years (and through the midterms) for purely political reasons. That's sedition when it's done knowingly. Well, Beavis, you're the one who dropped entrapment into the mix, and your last paragraph looks an awful lot like an entrapment argument. Fortunately I don't fall for your hoaxes.
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Let's get to another inarguable point. You cast Volume II of the Mueller report as a story of entrapment. The entrapment affirmative defense, of course, acknowledges that the defendant engaged in the proscribed conduct, but that he/she shouldn't be held liable for such conduct based on prosecutorial overstep. So you admit that there is an open question whether Trump engaged in conduct that could constitute obstruction in the first instance. On that front you and I totally agree. You will eventually come to learn that the Mueller probe was actually interfering with a legally sanctioned military intelligence investigation into the illegal support of ISIS. The Patriot Act is still in effect, and it cuts many ways if military intelligence assesses you as an enemy combatant.
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: You will eventually come to learn that the Mueller probe was actually interfering with a legally sanctioned military intelligence investigation into the illegal support of ISIS. The Patriot Act is still in effect, and it cuts many ways if military intelligence assesses you as an enemy combatant. Thanks for the tip.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Well, Beavis, you're the one who dropped entrapment into the mix... You can't even be honest. You brought up volume 2, not me. And I destroyed your argument because you're weak. And sad. And deeply stupid. 1
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