DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because he's here to defend them. Right or wrong. 

 

He chose a side. He just chose poorly.

 

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(She added)

 

Ummm so the law firm that worked with the FBI and against their client, slow walked any and every piece of paper that exonerated their client, is in line for a nice malpractice lawsuit (fine? disbarment of some attorneys working on the case?), has determined that "anything more would be too difficult, too expensive and not required."   And, what will they do if the judge orders them to turn over more of these "anything more would be too difficult, too expensive and not required"  notes/paperwork? 

 

I see phone records are what they are pushing back on. Yeah, Eric Holder is a piece of *****. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

A name first really talked about here, on PPP, three years ago. I did a deep dive into Richard in this thread (or the Trump/Russia thread?) after going to London to interview several IC members and journalists over there. The Five Eye arrangement allowed them to circumvent US laws (and the constitution) by tasking the Brits (and others) to do it for us -- that's bad enough. But Dearlove played an active role in running Downer and arranging the Trump Tower meeting -- not to mention framing Flynn. 

 

This scandal is not just US based. Our own "allies" aided and abetted (at best) the operation. Which is why you cannot understand the first few years of Trump's term in relation to his treatment of/discussions with 5 Eyes / NATO members without first understanding this truth. There's a large piece of this scandal that will (likely) never see the light of day because doing so would upend ongoing relationships with said countries.  

 

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...J Edgar has to be PO'ed that he NEVER dreamed up this "level of dirty"......without the "draining of the swamp", it is incomprehensible to me how long this "dirty" has gone on and how longer it would have gone on without "draining the swamp".....BTW, how deep does the corruption go?....how many of us ordinary slobs been surveilled and how much of that info has been used against folks by lower level peons with access?......STILL thinking "world's greatest democracy" or a tad reticent?.......hmmm....

[snafu]

11 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

Flynn plead guilty

 

11 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

The ol' tell the fact

 

He plead guilty. Too bad - seems like the #DeepState has an airtight case for his innocence 

 

10 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

One Step Guide to Cause a #DeepStater Meltdown

 

1. Tell them, "Flynn plead guilty"

 

8 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

No. Flynn plead guilty, though.

 

He pled guilty to lying.

The only lie he told was the actual guilty plea.

There was no other lie.

His case isn’t over — you might want to wait until it ends.

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

8 hours ago, snafu said:

The only lie he told was the actual guilty plea.

 

Think about the Tibs-like stupidity of this statement

[snafu]

4 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Think about the Tibs-like stupidity of this statement

 

You’re mistaken again. You fill this thread with “he pled guilty”. He didn’t lie to the FBI. That’s what his case is about. One single charge. 

 

One of my points is that you saying “he pled guilty” without context is dishonest in light of the fact that he didn’t lie to investigators. And we know that from the actual investigators.

 

My other point is the fact that there is a pending motion for the judge to accept the withdrawal of the guilty plea that you cling to. Until that motion has been decided, you might want to quit your refrain. And even if Sullivan denies the motion, it doesn’t change the fact that Flynn didn’t lie to investigators. There’s nothing stupid about my statement. 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

12 minutes ago, snafu said:

it doesn’t change the fact that Flynn didn’t lie to investigators.

 

Probably shouldn't have plead guilty and then or apologized for his crime.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Warren Zevon

[Foxx]

28 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Probably shouldn't have plead guilty and then or apologized for his crime.

here... let me threaten your son. you okay with that or would you admit to something even though you didn't do it?

[Taro T]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

here... let me threaten your son. you okay with that or would you admit to something even though you didn't do it?

 

Not only that, but he also didn't know what his lawyers knew: that the FBI had evidence that he didn't lie to them and that he'd been offered immunity to testify before Congress.  He also didn't have access to the original transcripts of his call with the ambassador nor his interview with the FBI agents.

 

When the people you're paying to be your advocate are working harder for the prosecution than for you, you might be inclined to take that deal.  Especially when you're being drained of your life savings and you don't 100% remember exactly what you said on the phone call, if they say that you got something wrong while under oath and if they can prove it, you've perjured yourself.

 

Heck of a spot to be in.  And if a 3 star general can get put through the wringer like that, imagine what they can do to an average citizen who happens to come into their sights.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Probably shouldn't have plead guilty and then or apologized for his crime.

 

Again, no context to your statement.

I'd prefer to wait for Judge Sullivan to make a ruling. 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[billsfan1959]

15 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...J Edgar has to be PO'ed that he NEVER dreamed up this "level of dirty"......without the "draining of the swamp", it is incomprehensible to me how long this "dirty" has gone on and how longer it would have gone on without "draining the swamp".....BTW, how deep does the corruption go?....how many of us ordinary slobs been surveilled and how much of that info has been used against folks by lower level peons with access?......STILL thinking "world's greatest democracy" or a tad reticent?.......hmmm....

 

There have been abuses in the Bureau since Hoover, mostly because of the absence of strong leadership. Most of the time, those abuses were specific and not systemic. The only decent Director was Louis Freeh and, interestingly enough, he was the only one that actually spent time as an Agent. He made great strides in trying to eliminate those specific abuses, downsizing management, placing more decision-making abilities at the field office level, streamlining the ability of street Agents to do their jobs, and more.

 

The systemic abuses are a staple of the culture created under Mueller. He was the worst director ever appointed, and the level of corruption and incompetence currently in the management structure of the Bureau is a direct result of him. He dismantled everything Freeh did and created a bloated management structure filled with every ladder climbing, inexperienced, narcissistic POS that somehow managed to get a position as an Agent. Mandatory retirement for Agents is 57 and the minimum age is 50, if the the Agent has at least 20 years of service. Before Mueller, you rarely saw Agents retire before it was mandatory. The actual street Agents loved their jobs, were good at it, and were proud of their service. When Mueller took over, for the first time, you started hearing Agents wishing years of their life away. Phrases like, "I can't wait for the next five years to go by so that I can retire at fifty," which were almost unheard of before Mueller's appointement, became the norm under his leadership. He completely destroyed the morale of the Agents.

 

Mueller made no secret that he did not like Agents, particularly experienced Agents that would question the direction he wanted to take the Bureau. That direction was to turn, arguably, the best investigative agency in the world into a domestic CIA, run by analysts and management hacks at the HQ level, and to be used in ways everyone is now seeing revealed in what transpired under Crossfire Hurricane.

 

 

[Hedge]

Ratcliffe’s confirmation hearing is underway:
 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

The basics.................the skeptics here should read it.

 

 

Your Guide To The Obama Administration’s Hit On Michael Flynn

The Federalist, by Margot Cleveland

 

Original Article

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

There have been abuses in the Bureau since Hoover, mostly because of the absence of strong leadership. Most of the time, those abuses were specific and not systemic. The only decent Director was Louis Freeh and, interestingly enough, he was the only one that actually spent time as an Agent. He made great strides in trying to eliminate those specific abuses, downsizing management, placing more decision-making abilities at the field office level, streamlining the ability of street Agents to do their jobs, and more.

 

The systemic abuses are a staple of the culture created under Mueller. He was the worst director ever appointed, and the level of corruption and incompetence currently in the management structure of the Bureau is a direct result of him. He dismantled everything Freeh did and created a bloated management structure filled with every ladder climbing, inexperienced, narcissistic POS that somehow managed to get a position as an Agent. Mandatory retirement for Agents is 57 and the minimum age is 50, if the the Agent has at least 20 years of service. Before Mueller, you rarely saw Agents retire before it was mandatory. The actual street Agents loved their jobs, were good at it, and were proud of their service. When Mueller took over, for the first time, you started hearing Agents wishing years of their life away. Phrases like, "I can't wait for the next five years to go by so that I can retire at fifty," which were almost unheard of before Mueller's appointement, became the norm under his leadership. He completely destroyed the morale of the Agents.

 

Mueller made no secret that he did not like Agents, particularly experienced Agents that would question the direction he wanted to take the Bureau. That direction was to turn, arguably, the best investigative agency in the world into a domestic CIA, run by analysts and management hacks at the HQ level, and to be used in ways everyone is now seeing revealed in what transpired under Crossfire Hurricane.

 

 

 

…...fair assessment......which makes the appointment of Mueller as "independent (COUGH) counsel" to investigate a matter with heavy FBI involvement an even BIGGER fraud...

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

…...fair assessment......which makes the appointment of Mueller as "independent (COUGH) counsel" to investigate a matter with heavy FBI involvement an even BIGGER fraud...

 

Yep, one of the biggest frauds ever - an absolute joke. If you kept every single fact the same and simply inserted Obama as the target, rather than Trump, there would be exposé after exposé from the MSM calling for heads to roll and there would have already been a complete dismantling of the FBI hierarchy.

 

For no other reason than their hatred for Trump is so deep, a large percentage of the population, with the aid of the MSM, is absolutely fine with government abuses that should literally terrify every citizen.