Tiberius Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: Van Der Zwaan is the son-in-law of the founder of Alfa Bank. Quote Last year, Van Der Zwaan married the daughter of a Ukrainian-Russian energy oligarch, German Khan, who Forbes ranks as 138th on its list of billionaires, with a net worth of $9.3 billion. Khan is a senior official at Alfa Group, a Russian financial conglomerate that briefly drew scrutiny in the FBI's investigation of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia. POLITICO reported last year that prosecutors in Ukraine have been seeking U.S. help for years to investigate the Skadden-authored report, arranged by former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who was indicted by Mueller's team along with Gates last October. In addition to money laundering charges, Manafort and Gates are accused of acting as foreign agents for a Ukrainian political party without registering with U.S. authorities. Gees! Nope, nothing to see there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Gees! Nope, nothing to see there! Manafort is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, garybusey said: Manafort is toast. No wonder Mueller is squeezing him so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Gees! Nope, nothing to see there! there is a class of rich businessmen that deal only with each other, there can't be more than 2 degrees of separation for international business families and dealings like the old-boys-network of football coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 More to say about the latest when I get back to my desk. Until then, I'd challenge anyone with time to kill and an interest in this to find the Clinton Foundation link. It's there, and when you find it you will also be able to see what internet sites were scrubbed of such references before this news dropped. They can't run fast enough from what's coming. It's hilarious to watch. This is yet another process crime indictment that has to do with events from before the election... But connected to events discussed at length in the deep state thread. Wonder why that is... It's almost like mueller isn't investigating what people think he's investigating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: More to say about the latest when I get back to my desk. Until then, I'd challenge anyone with time to kill and an interest in this to find the Clinton Foundation link. It's there, and when you find it you will also be able to see what internet sites were scrubbed of such references before this news dropped. They can't run fast enough from what's coming. It's hilarious to watch. This is yet another process crime indictment that has to do with events from before the election... But connected to events discussed at length in the deep state thread. Wonder why that is... It's almost like mueller isn't investigating what people think he's investigating. Why don't you just tell us before the deep state scrubs it from the entire internet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: Why don't you just tell us before the deep state scrubs it from the entire internet Read closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Read closer. I just hit my head on my monitor! Thanks! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, garybusey said: Manafort is toast. You and Tiberius keep saying **** like this. And it keeps not happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: You and Tiberius keep saying **** like this. And it keeps not happening. Read closer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, garybusey said: Read closer. Dammit, I just stuck my head through the monitor and electrocuted myself. Thanks! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Dammit, I just stuck my head through the monitor and electrocuted myself. Thanks! if you get too close the screen suddenly shows a scary witch screaming at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: if you get too close the screen suddenly shows a scary witch screaming at you No, I try to avoid loading Hillary videos... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No, I try to avoid loading Hillary videos... that would really cause a heart attack picture being Bill waking up to that for the real 3 years of their marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: that would really cause a heart attack picture being Bill waking up to that for the real 3 years of their marriage Do you actually think they sleep in the same bed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Dammit, I just stuck my head through the monitor and electrocuted myself. Thanks! Look at it on the bright side---you can skip your next electric shock therapy appt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: yes!!!! 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you actually think they sleep in the same bed? yeah.... for awhile, not since 1981 or so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Let's dig into the newest indictment of Alex Van der Zwaan. This is REALLY complex but interesting because of how neatly it ties in the Clinton Foundation, the DNC, McCain, Steele, the Podesta Group, and how the dossier was shopped/bolstered... just not in the way most will expect. I have a busy day today, and this bit is something I've been tracking for months now and I'm swimming in sources and connections - enough to make me cross eyed. So bear with me, I'll try to lay it out below as quickly and concisely as possible. Some of it though, you're going to have to dig for yourself to make the connections. On to der Zwaan - who is being charged with lying to the FBI and SC in relation to work he did for the Ukrainian government in 2012: https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information Let me emphasize this for the cheap seats: 2012. This has nothing to do with Trump, the only connection to Trump is Zwaan's association with Gates - which, as we'll see, is more about Manafort and the DNC than anyone else. So why does this indictment matter then? Well, I argue it shows what Mueller is really after with Manafort/Gates' indictments. It's not about Russia directly, it's about the Ukraine and the illegal lobbying Manafort and Podesta were doing for pro Russian Ukrainians and Putin by extension. A brief recap: Gates/Manafort and the Podesta Group were hired by the then ruling political party in the Ukraine to smear Yulia Tymoshenko - a former Prime Minister of Ukraine who was pro-EU and NATO membership. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/18/trump-advisers-manafort-and-gates-waged-covert-influence-campaign-for-previous-ukraine-ruling-party.html Tymoshenko was the victim of a series of politically motivated court cases in which she was framed for embezzlement and other white collar crimes for which she was cleared years later: http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2015/01/ukraine-court-discontinues-examination-of-tymoshenko-human-rights-complaint/ Does that pattern sound familiar to anyone? Dirty political tricks, deployed by DC lobbyists, to frame a political rival of the man paying the bills. This wasn't about securing American interests, Tymoshenko was a western leaning Ukrainian voice. Once Putin and Porenshenko wanted to sideline. Van der Zwaan got nipped for lying to the FBI and SC about a phone call with Gates (which Gates had recorded) - the call and the lie happened after Manafort was already fired from Trump's campaign, and after Gates was marginalized to the fringes. Per the indictment he lied "in the course of answering questions concerning his work as an attorney... engaged in 2012 by the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice to prepare a report on the trail of Yulia Tymoshenko." In other words, this isn't about Trump, the Russians, or the election. It's about the Ukraine and DC lobbyists working for Putin loyalists in 2012-2016. This reared it's head in our election when in 2016, the Ukrainians worked with the same DC lobbyists and shell companies to smear Trump: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 Now, let's look at the original indictments for Gates and Manafort as we walk this out more... https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download Manafort and Gates were both unregistered foreign agents working for the Ukraine - including Poreshenko - to smear a pro western former PM Tymoshenko... with the assistance of the Podesta Group and der Zwaan's law firm Skadden. What was the former Skadden Lawyer's role in all of this? The investigation into whether the Yanukovych-era Ministry of Justice subverted procurement procedures to hire Skadden and then embezzle money to pay the firm was opened before Yanukovych fled the country and heated up after the 2014 revolution. Skadden was hired to produce a report justifying to the U.S. government Yanukovych's jailing of Tymoshenko for her signing a controversial gas deal with Russia in 2009. The first Mutual Legal Assistance Request was sent to the US in December of 2014 and followed up with two additional requests and four "reminders". Ukrainian reps from the PGO's international legal assistance office visited DC in December 2016 and were stonewalled in their attempts to get answers. In March of 2017, CNN published an article saying that Ukrainian prosecutors wanted to question Manafort. The same month, then FBI-Director Comey was asked about the Ukrainian requests during his congressional testimony. Prosecutors wanted to question members of the Skadden team who came to Ukraine to work on the report, including two key former Obama AND Clinton Administration officials: • Gregory Craig (He was WH counsel for Obama for two years, and also represented Clinton during his impeachment) • Clifford Sloan Prosecutors also wished to speak to the London-based associate (now charged by Mueller) Alex Van der Zwaan. But: "Our requests for depositions were not fulfilled" Gorbatyuk said. However court orders show that Gorbatyuk's team has received access to phone records from Skadden's time in Kyiv, showing their communications with Yanukovych's government and Party of Regions officials. Here's the report Skadden compiled which Manafort and the Podesta Group used against Tymoshenko: https://minjust.gov.ua/files/general/2012/12/13/201212130000005581.pdf The Podesta Group and the Mercury Group pushed the anti Tymoshenko narrative in the states while FTI Consulting was hired by Skadden to push the report in Europe. This is a pattern which we will see being repeated with the dossier... But before we get there, let's dig deeper into Skadden's political donations and connections through the years: Prominent partners in the firm backed Kerry in 2004, bundling money for him with a rogues gallery of creeps (Epstein, Weinstein). http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/05/Business/Business_leaders_for_.shtml Skadden was one of the top law firms to donate in 2012, with %76 of their contributions going to the DNC. https://web.archive.org/web/20120226090432/http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_15/b3878044.htm The candidate they backed in 2015-2016? HRC: This is a connection Skadden has been trying to scrub from the interwebs. They've already tended to their own site: Here's Skadden's website where they've already purged der Zwaan: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/alex-van-der-zwaan They also scrubbed Craig's page: https://www.skadden.com/professionals/greg-b-craig And hey, look at this: https://www.burson-marsteller.com/global-leadership/ Who's Beneson? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=Benenson+&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=6#searchresult ... Just HRC's chief campaign strategist who was all over the media when Podesta's emails broke claiming that they were not accurate (a claim that's long since been debunked). He also shows up in Grassley's January letter: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-01-25 CEG LG to Benenson (Steele Dossier).pdf Let's turn to Sloan: In March of 2008, Cliff Sloan stepped down as publisher of Slate to join Skadden. https://web.archive.org/web/20080724135334/https://www.pr-inside.com/slate-announces-new-publisher-r492456.htm Sloan was associate WH counsel to WJC before Slate, and in June of 2013 he joined the State Department as an envoy hand picked by Obama and tasked with shutting down Gitmo: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/06/16/192454904/obama-expected-to-name-top-lawyer-to-close-guantanamo But in December of 14, Kerry announced Sloan was leaving - a decision that caught the administration off guard but happened only after nearly two dozen Gitmo detainees had been released back into the wild. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-state-departments-guantanamo-envoy-resigns-2014-12 Sloan was a close confidant to Kerry: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/23/us/politics/guantnamo-envoy-cliff-sloan-quits-amid-delays-in-prisoner-releases.html?_r=0 Hey, then look who shows up in this article helping Buzzfeed! None other than the PR firm hired by Podesta Group and Manafort to spread the smear campaign in Europe - FTI: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/12/former-senior-fbi-official-is-leading-buzzfeeds-effort-to-verify-trump-dossier/ Then, as I was typing this, I noticed this was breaking - and ties in to this post perfectly: (click on the tweet for more) This is yet ANOTHER repeating pattern we've seen. Mueller, Rosenstein and others in the DOJ were actively prevented from being able to prosecute certain entities during Holder's tenure. Now, it seems Mueller is finishing the work he was unable to perform under Holder. This keeps happening... why? Because Mueller isn't investigating what the MSM and DNC think he's investigating. This indictment is further proof of it. There is SO much more here, it's an onion of corruption being exposed, but this should be a good jumping off point for anyone interested in learning more about what's really behind these indictments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 thanks DR, good stuff, keep it going! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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