Nanker Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Even she might not allow that. Who could blame her? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Grassley and Horowitz, a united front against corruption: Senator Grassley has a very important role to play in things to come, and has played a key role in the events that have brought us to this point today. While everyone is worked up to see the memo which might be breaking today, I felt it was important to step back and examine what Grassley has been doing - in conjunction with DOJ IG Horowitz - for two plus years to ready the battlefield and how that plays into everything we're seeing, and about to see unfold. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Grassley has primary oversight over the FBI and DOJ - a job he was prevented from doing under the Obama administration due to the neutering of the IG's role (see earlier thread on Horowitz for reference). Beginning in 2015, Grassley began a determined effort to investigate both the FBI and DOJ. 12/15/15: A floor statement on inspector general access has Grassley fired up - Oversight committees rely heavily upon IG's to gather information and conduct oversight. That's why IGs were created in the first place, in the wake of Watergate. If Grassley's oversight investigation was going to be successful, he needed a fully empowered IG, something Eric Holder and Obama had been preventing from day one of their administrations thanks to a unique interpretation of the IG law. 1/27/16: Grassley also has oversight over FOIA, and begins his investigation by triggering the State Department IG: More: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/2016-01-27 CEG to State IG (CREW FOIA).pdf The State IG investigated the State Dept's FOIA non compliance in late 2015, releasing their report in January 2016, but it left Grassley wanting answers: https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-01.pdf It's unclear whether or not Grassley suspects FBI/DOJ corruption at this point (though I'd wager he did). So far, he's just investigating the State Department circumvention of FOIA requests regarding HRC's servers, but note the information loop that is established here, it's a pattern that will repeat: IG Report ----> Grassley ----> More questions for the IG -----> new IG report/Response (repeat as needed). 4/4/16: "In 1978, following the lessons of the Watergate scandal Congress created the IGs... IGs need access to agency records that's why the law authorizes IGs to access ALL. I want to emphasis that word, ALL RECORDS." 4/21/16: "Let me tackle that... The FBI is investigating this matter as well as several other investigations, we keep hearing that the FBI's inquiry is just a 'security review' and not a criminal inquiry so let me tackle that." April 2016 is a key turning point. Grassley is fighting on two fronts, trying to restore the powers of the IG and investigating State Dept FOIA violations. He already established State broke the law, now he wants to know what the FBI is going to do about it. This motivates Chuck in ways we are still seeing today... 5/17/16: It really begins. In a scathing letter, Grassley officially turns his sights on the Comey/Lynch DOJ/FBI. He points out the conflict of interest and the need for a special counsel (pg 7) https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/2016-05-17 CEG to FBI (Clinton Investigation Special Counsel).pdf 5/26/16: Grassley rests his FOIA oversight case against State - a significant case which led directly to the corruption of the Lynch/Comey FBI/DOJ: https://www.c-span.org/video/?410206-1/us-senate-debates-defense-authorization-bill&start=18227 7/5/16: Immediately after Comey's remarks on HRC, Grassley issues this seething statement: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-calls-greater-transparency-fbi-following-clinton-investigation 7/6/16: The next day, Grassley explodes on Comey. He lays out his case against Comey and Lynch's handling of the HRC investigation. Comey is ultimately unable to respond to this letter: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/2016-07-06 CEG to FBI (Clinton Investigation Transparency).pdf This is a key element of Grassley's war against corruption - he leaves a paper trail of demand letters for information. When those demands are unmet, he turns to the IG. Problem is, in 2016, the IG is restrained from being able to fully do his job by Holder and Obama. Again, refer to the earlier Horowitz v Obama thread to see more details. This is why Grassley desperately needs to empower the IG and begins working on legislation to do just that - with Nunes in the House. 8/15/16: Grassley wants to know why the FBI isn't actively investigating the Clinton Foundation and if the secret server turned up any criminal activity. Lynch runs out the clock on this memo, banking on a Clinton win in the fall: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/upload/2016-08-15 CEG to DOJ (Clinton Foundation).pdf 8/31/16: Comey runs out the clock as well by "bundling" non classified information with classified information to stall. Comey violated the law in doing so (EO 13526), and would do so again with the documents on the Iran deal in September: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016-08-31 CEG to FBI (Clinton Investigation Materials Improper Classification).pdf 9/13/16: "Unusual secrecy... the FBI improperly bundled these unclassified reports with a very small amount of classified information and told the Senate to treat it all as classified.": 10/5/16: The Wilkenson Letters Astonished Grassley/Nunes/Chaffetz/Goodlatte letter re: DOJ working with Mills and Samuelson to destroy laptops and severely limit the scope of the Clinton investigation: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/2016-10-05 CEG et. al to DOJ - Wilkinson Immunity Letters.pdf 11/2/16: Grassley calls on Horowitz to investigate the FBI and DOJ for improperly handling the Clinton investigation (read all): https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016-11-02 CEG to DOJ IG (Conflicts Review).pdf 12/10/16: Victory. S.579/H.R.6450 Inspector General Empowerment Act passes the Senate. A major victory for Grassley who wrote the legislation- https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/IG Access%2C 12-07-16%2C Johnson Substitute One-Pager.pdf https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/hr6450/BILLS-114hr6450enr.pdf What we see above is how Grassley successfully waged a methodical campaign against corruption inside the DOJ/FBI. To do so, he wrote and powered through the legislation to empower Horowitz - a man who waged his own war against the Obama administration for several years himself. Horowitz won his war THANKS to Grassley (and Nunes on the House side), he is linked to Grassley and united when it comes to oversight. These two are working together, have been for two+ years, and now we are about to see the fruit of their labor. When the memo gets released today (most likely), don't forget it's just the beginning, not the end. There is MUCH more to come thanks to Grassley and Horowitz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 And McCabe steps down... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-frequent-target-of-trumps-ire-steps-down-nbc-news.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And McCabe steps down... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-frequent-target-of-trumps-ire-steps-down-nbc-news.html Fox is reporting he was "removed".... little more serious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And McCabe steps down... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-frequent-target-of-trumps-ire-steps-down-nbc-news.html It can't be stopped now. Holder's response was priceless ************************ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 .... CNN reporting he was escorted out of the building. There will be so many glorious perp walks to come. They have no idea what's happening: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Wow, a sitting president, under serious investigation, putting enormous pressure on law enforcement leads to a resignation. The blurring of the rules of law for sure. "Ya but Obama signed almost as many executive orders as Reagan did," says a retarded Conservative voice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) So, Wray read the memo yesterday. And fires McCabe today. But yes, the memo is just Nunes' conspiracy theories and nonsense. 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Wow, a sitting president, under serious investigation, putting enormous pressure on law enforcement leads to a resignation. The blurring of the rules of law for sure. "Ya but Obama signed almost as many executive orders as Reagan did," says a retarded Conservative voice.... Trump had nothing to do with McCabe being fired. Nothing. It was Wray's call. Edited January 29, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Wow, a sitting president, under serious investigation, putting enormous pressure on law enforcement leads to a resignation. The blurring of the rules of law for sure. "Ya but Obama signed almost as many executive orders as Reagan did," says a retarded Conservative voice.... You're never confused by facts. Your mind is made up already on most things in advance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: You're never confused by facts. Your mind is made up already on most things in advance. Doesn't bother you President is waging a misinformation and smear campaign against the FBI? Ok, that says a lot about you 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So, Wray read the memo yesterday. And fires McCabe today. But yes, the memo is just Nunes' conspiracy theories and nonsense. Trump had nothing to do with McCabe being fired. Nothing. It was Wray's call. Who did McCabe vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Doesn't bother you President is waging a misinformation and smear campaign against the FBI? Ok, that says a lot about you A look at Tibs' future a few weeks from now: 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Who did McCabe vote for? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Who did McCabe vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Who did McCabe vote for? McCain/Palin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 A lot of people's moods today: Just to recap Wray's evolution the past 72 hours - he went from "How dare you try to remove McCabe, I'll quit!" to "I'll fire this guy myself" after reading the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The spin that the dossier was created because of Russian disinformation is not only false, it's a cop out designed to put distance between the dossier's actual creators (and motives for its creation) and the dossier itself. Thus, it's not the democrats or Obama's fault they violated the fourth amendment rights of dozens of team trump officials, or used the dossier to get a FISA warrant - they were only doing so because they believed the information presented to them by the Russian disinformation campaign. Sure they broke the law, but they did so for the right reasons. Because they were duped. Its a narrative camp Clinton/Obama is offering to trump through the media as a way to sue for peace. If you accept its all Russian disinfo, that means the mueller probe is bunk (because it's based on Russian disinfo). So the deal goes something like this: get behind this narrative shift, and we will drop the mueller investigation in exchange for trump not prosecuting them for the abuse of the surveillance system. Except I don't read it that way, and your version doesn't explain how Steele came up with the dossier info. There are two things at play here - the motivation for the dossier and the information in the dossier. You've been hammering away at the motivation, while the WSJ op-ed is discussing the information. Two separate things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, GG said: Except I don't read it that way, and your version doesn't explain how Steele came up with the dossier info. There are two things at play here - the motivation for the dossier and the information in the dossier. You've been hammering away at the motivation, while the WSJ op-ed is discussing the information. Two separate things. Steele didn't write much of the dossier - if any. He didn't come up with any of it (see my earlier threads). The information was fabricated by Nellie Ohr and Simpson. It wasn't Russian disinfo, it was false and created by the DOJ/FBI to justify a FISA warrant after Rogers shut off their spigot for private contractors to access 702 information while working at the FBI. **************************************************** Edited January 29, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Doesn't bother you FBI is waging a misinformation and smear campaign against the President? Ok, that says a lot about you You had your nouns backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: A lot of people's moods today: Just to recap Wray's evolution the past 72 hours - he went from "How dare you try to remove McCabe, I'll quit!" to "I'll fire this guy myself" after reading the memo. The amount of crap you sling is unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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