eball Posted May 10, 2017 Author Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) You've conflated the discussion into all teams having depth at positions. Well, yeah but that's not the point. Buffalo has starting and depth issues all over the field, save for perhaps interior OL and DL. Name another position where they are strong other than...FB. And I would point out that players age, player performance isn't always carried over from season to season, the schedule will be challenging, and their depth will be challenged. Ok, I'll change the focus. When I hear rebuild I think purge the big salaries and get rid of any higher priced vet who isn't expected to be a contributor in two seasons. I don't think they are doing that, and the reason is because there's enough talent that if some things break their way they are right in the mix. They've got three rookies from last year who barely contributed (Lawson) or not at all (Ragland, Listenbee). Their first three picks this season are expected to contribute. That's six new pieces right there. With the admitted talent on the OL and DL, and an adequate presence at QB, who is to say this will be a schittshow? This isn't a pollyanna perspective and I'm not predicting playoffs. Edited May 10, 2017 by eball
8-8 Forever? Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 ...and I find it amusing that posters are saying things like "give them three years and we'll see" and whatnot. Yes, it's McD's first HC job, and yes, it's Beane's first GM job (although he did serve as interim GM for 10 games in 2012), but these guys are hardly "green" and the Bills' roster cupboard is far from bare. I will be shocked if the Bills aren't at least a 6-7 win team, and I certainly think it's possible they could win 9 or 10. This is not a rebuild, it's a refocus. works for me
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 The inevitable departure of shady next year and lack of depth behind him magnifies the head scratching decision to let MG go. The last thing I give a crap about is backup RB. It's actually embarrassing how much Bills fans care about a freaking backup running back in a league that begs you to pass. And there are two positions the Bills can actually draft well - RB and cb. Stop crying about a guy we picked up off waivers.
Augie Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 This could be the last year in a Bills uniform for Kyle Williams, Shady, Tyrod, and possibly Watkins. I'd say the 2018 season is when the rebuild truly begins. So, we're going to win the comp pick war? YAY! I won't pretend to know how this will turn out, but I sure am interested to watch it unfold.
teef Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 The inevitable departure of shady next year and lack of depth behind him magnifies the head scratching decision to let MG go. scott...you are far too obsessed over a back up rb. i like the guy too, and prefer him on the team, but it's not the situation you want to make it out to be.
VABills Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Ok, I'll change the focus. When I hear rebuild I think purge the big salaries and get rid of any higher priced vet who isn't expected to be a contributor in two seasons. I don't think they are doing that, and the reason is because there's enough talent that if some things break their way they are right in the mix. They've got three rookies from last year who barely contributed (Lawson) or not at all (Ragland, Listenbee). Their first three picks this season are expected to contribute. That's six new pieces right there. With the admitted talent on the OL and DL, and an adequate presence at QB, who is to say this will be a schittshow? This isn't a pollyanna perspective and I'm not predicting playoffs. Why aren't you predicting playoffs? Figure one more win at end of season if Whaley hadn't forced EJ into the starting lineup. Then the Miami game when we couldn't stop them after we went ahead. Steelers or Raiders should not have been losses. Heck Seattle we should have won, if it wasn't for the defense. We should be a 10-11 win team this year.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) This is not a full-scale Cleveland Browns type of rebuild. That's clearly the case. But in my view this is a mini-rebuild that will take a few years before this team becomes a contending team. We can fruitlessly get into a semantical argument of the definition of a rebuild but what's the point in arguing that. What is very probable is that it is going to take at least three years to get back to being a serious team. The Bills are a 7 win caliber of team, reasonable arguments can be made for -1 or +1 from that estimate. It's going to take because of our qb situation at least another two or three years before it climbs out of its generational rut. With good coaching and smart personnel moves it wouldn't surprise me if this team got better although in the short run it still wasn't reflected by its record. A few years is an eternity in the NFL today. We tend to forget this as Bills fans. Progress is also not linear in the NFL. Could this just be a 4-6 win team next year? Yeah. But they have difference makers at key positions that teams pay big $ for........Watkins(WR) Dareus(pass rush) Taylor(QB) and Glenn(LT)...........so they could also have a very healthy season and win 10-11 games and make some noise in the playoffs.......but then still have to re-tool again and possibly take a step back in 2018. So I can't get down with these broad notions of re-builds or some 3 year plan.......that's mythology in todays NFL......ask Andrew Luck and the Colts about "trajectory". The first Brady SB team had a shaky roster.......they were in a bad spot with a roster that looked like it had missed it's window........but everything came together and they won a SB. Not linear. I doubt anyone in the organization considers this a rebuild of any sort......the personnel choices weren't a conscious step back but rather financial decisions. Mistakes perhaps, but not "oh well, we gotta' lose now so we can win in 3 years" decisions. Edited May 10, 2017 by #BADOL
billsfan_34 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 I am generally optimistic but it happens every year. This roster is already competitive. You don't think a more structured and disciplined approach will lead to better results than under Rex? This Roster has many holes in it and lacks depth. Linebacker and Defensive Backfield are 2 areas. Lets not even mention WR and a crippled Clay. Couple all that without a franchise QB and it spells for a long season again.
billykaykay Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 We don't often agree but you are spot on here. They are thin at LB, DB, RB, TE and who knows about the depth at WR & QB. I think that they are pretty thin at DE as well. they have 4 QB's
Rico Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 I don't think it's a big rebuild of talent, but it certainly is a huge rebuild for attitude. Who on the roster knows anything about winning in the NFL? Hyde? Houshka? TT with the Ravens? McD will have his hands full just changing the losing culture. In my eyes, he and BB have got 3 years... if he can turn it around sooner, all the more power to him.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 scott...you are far too obsessed over a back up rb. i like the guy too, and prefer him on the team, but it's not the situation you want to make it out to be. Scott's right.......it was foolish to not tender MG higher........and risky not matching. Should have kept the strength intact. Better to be dominant in one area than robbing an area of strength to get slightly better at a weakness........the Cowboys strung together a hell of a season last year with a loaded offense and a well coached, journeyman laden defense. A great strength can negate a lot of weaknesses.
John from Riverside Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Scott's right.......it was foolish to not tender MG higher........and risky not matching. Should have kept the strength intact. Better to be dominant in one area than robbing an area of strength to get slightly better at a weakness........the Cowboys strung together a hell of a season last year with a loaded offense and a well coached, journeyman laden defense. A great strength can negate a lot of weaknesses. I do wonder if the Mike G. situation had any part in the final evaluation of DW.
3rdand12 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 I don't think it's a big rebuild of talent, but it certainly is a huge rebuild for attitude. Who on the roster knows anything about winning in the NFL? Hyde? Houshka? TT with the Ravens? McD will have his hands full just changing the losing culture. In my eyes, he and BB have got 3 years... if he can turn it around sooner, all the more power to him. I agree with another poster that 4 years is a nice number if we draft a QB next year in sincerity. Changing the losing and getting the horses pulling in the same direction is the "game changer" here. If they stick to their guns i suspect we will see better team this year. Maybe not W/L but less of the costly errors. More cohesive coherent play upon the field and off it too. Rebuild? loose term. But i guess it qualifies. Because i do not expect to look like it has for the last 4+ years at least. I bet we feel the change during preseason. wheres my Koolaid pitcher ? I do wonder if the Mike G. situation had any part in the final evaluation of DW. I dont think it was Whaley's players that pushed the button for Pegula .
NewMexBills Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 this sure looks like a rebuild to me, its gonna be awhile until we win just face it!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 I am generally optimistic but it happens every year. This roster is already competitive. You don't think a more structured and disciplined approach will lead to better results than under Rex? Nope
Sweats Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 It's not a rebuild? Well, lets look at some facts, Jack........... 1) we've got a 1st time HC 2) we've got a 1st time GM 3) the scouting dept. was blown-up 4) we barely have a mediocre team to hit the field each week 5) we've got arguably the toughest schedule we've had in years 6) we'll be lucky to pull out 6 wins this season 7) we'll be the Pats door mats yet again this year 8) the guy who somewhat had a say in this years draft was fired the next day 9) we're desperately in need of cap room re-structuring ...........not a rebuild, you say? Shameful...........just shameful.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 LOL Without a QB, improvement is impossible
stapha4 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 I feel bad for Shady... The team let him down by not building a team to be more competitive this yr. With the tough schedule this team, gonna be lucky to be 8-8 this yr. With Tyrod on only a 1yr deal.. next year we will be bringing in a young QB so it is definitely gonna be rebuilding time then. The playoff drought is going to continue until we get a real QB..
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