Webster Guy Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 Was high enough that New England knew there was no way we could afford to pay $4 mil for MG to be the backup. We had the room to pay $4M for Mike. After all the rook and FA signings there will still be $6 or $7m available and that's even if no deals are restructured. Overdorf and/or Whaley messed that one up badly. Mike wasn't just a backups he was a platoon runner and the best ypc average in the world these past two years. $2.76m we could have retained him with the 2nd round tender. Looks like a big mistake unless they can get someone to fill those shoes. Jonathan Williams needs to step up big time. Shady needs to be fresh when he gets his carries.
Doc Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 The Bills didn't make a mistake with the tender. They didn't want to pay him for than $2M/year. They could easily have matched the Cheaters' contract or tendered him higher but didn't. We'll see if it was a mistake or not (I think they did but hope not).
iinii Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) Reggie Bush was able to set a record behind the same line last year for only 1.5 mil. Difference between dime a dozen and cut on a dime.I think the word you were looking for is chasm, but your point is well made. Edited May 7, 2017 by iinii
Matt_In_NH Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 He had a good contract that the bills tore up to make home ok with coming to buffalo. Stupid move. What he had was good for a top RB. That first season with Rex had a lot of bad contracts given out.
bigK14094 Posted May 7, 2017 Posted May 7, 2017 He needs to have a solid year,the new regime has zero ties to most of this roster. If they don't earn their paycheck they will be shown the door.. Shady worth the money if he gets 1200-1500 yards and 10 td's for the team....which he is fully capable of doing if healthy. Now, he is getting long in the tooth as they say, but, he can do it until he can't. When he gets going, he is incredible. and is a true home run threat when on the field. (just like Sammy is on better days) As long as he performs at an all pro level, he will stay. McD knows that talent doesn't come along often. As for TD Mike, a real loss to the Bills, and he will do fine w the Pats. Good on him, maximizing his income during his prime years. Regrets for the Bills and their fans, but not for MIke.
mattt9998 Posted May 8, 2017 Posted May 8, 2017 We grossly overpaid for a RB, Is he a great player yes. But his the 2nd highest paid RB in the NFL. Id rather use that money on other positions. You can draft a rookie RB and get solid production out of him. I'd be happy not having that contract on the books. I would have rather not had shady at that cost. Drafted a RB in the 1st this year, as we could have kept Gilmore with the $ saved on shady. Are a lot of RBs who could run behind our line. Are not a lot of #1 corners available.
MarkyMannn Posted May 8, 2017 Posted May 8, 2017 At least McCoy produces, and this thread talks about dumping him. When can we dump MD, or are we saddled with that contract forever?
Doc Posted May 8, 2017 Posted May 8, 2017 At least McCoy produces, and this thread talks about dumping him. When can we dump MD, or are we saddled with that contract forever? Let's wait until we see him back in the 4-3 where he belongs.
Bill from NYC Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 His salary is 5.11% of the Bills' cap number this season. If he is still performing at a level anywhere close to last year that is not at all exorbitant. Compare and contrast Charles Clay's 5.19% impact. Shady ain't your problem. OK e-man, but those numbers are a concern by any stretch. Those two would not, and should not be the highest paid players on virtually any team in the NFL. I am just so glad that they got rid of Whaley!!!
JohnC Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 OK e-man, but those numbers are a concern by any stretch. Those two would not, and should not be the highest paid players on virtually any team in the NFL. I am just so glad that they got rid of Whaley!!! Gotham Bill, McCoy was the best player on offense. He was the center piece of the offense, even more so than the qb. Our offense was built around the running game rather than the passing game because of the limitations of the starting qb and the archaic philosophy of our brash and fool talking HC. When you over pay for a player that is producing that is not catastrophic. You can absorb the imbalance between the cost and output. So your complaint about McCoy consuming too much of the cap doesn't seem to be a fair judgment. The Clay criticism has merit but it isn't due to him consuming too much cap. Whaley added a good receiving TE who could expand the restricted offense but he didn't have a qb who could maximize his talents. How dumb is that? The problem with Whaley was he was constantly searching for players who could buttress the play of his limited qb instead of searching for a qb capable of maximizing the talents of his receivers. He had his pants on backwards. Where I agree with you on Whaley is that he took a tactical approach instead of a strategic approach in building his roster and paying for it. He had a patchwork mentality that lacked foresight in the way he approached his job. In the end it came back to haunt him.
Bill from NYC Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Where I agree with you on Whaley is that he took a tactical approach instead of a strategic approach in building his roster and paying for it. He had a patchwork mentality that lacked foresight in the way he approached his job. In the end it came back to haunt him.Well said. In terms of roster building, what many don't seem to grasp is that a draft isn't successful just because one or two are "good." Plenty of players are good but winning is the goal. That's why it usually takes time to really be able to evaluate a draft. For instance, Gilmore was good. A case could be made that Whitner was good as well but neither translated into winning football games. The absolute best way to build a winning team is through the draft, but it is a process. The Bills historically waste high (often very high) picks on defensive backs and running backs, and they lose football games. Now, Clay and Shady (free agent signings) are the highest paid players and the Bills are losing football games. Whether or not they are 'good" is not the issue. Like I said, Whaley was a rank amateur and had to go. Hopefully Brandon is next. We really do need a new system.
HT02 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 The 5 year deal he was given after being traded here is like most 5 year deals. Lots of dead cap if he's released in the first 3 years, not so bad after that. In this case LM would carry $5.25 mil in dead cap for 2018 if released after this year. But we would actually gain $3.7 mil in cap space for 2018. Keeping him around for 2018 and then releasing him would gain $6.425 mil in 2019 cap space. I think this is Shady's last year as a Bill.
JohnC Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Well said. In terms of roster building, what many don't seem to grasp is that a draft isn't successful just because one or two are "good." Plenty of players are good but winning is the goal. That's why it usually takes time to really be able to evaluate a draft. For instance, Gilmore was good. A case could be made that Whitner was good as well but neither translated into winning football games. The absolute best way to build a winning team is through the draft, but it is a process. The Bills historically waste high (often very high) picks on defensive backs and running backs, and they lose football games. Now, Clay and Shady (free agent signings) are the highest paid players and the Bills are losing football games. Whether or not they are 'good" is not the issue. Like I said, Whaley was a rank amateur and had to go. Hopefully Brandon is next. We really do need a new system. Bill, You can make a lot of mistakes with the cap and on players when assembling a roster and still remain competitive. But what can't be overcome is not having a credible qb taking the snaps for your offense. It's so basic that it is perplexing how this bedraggled franchise has almost to the point of it being a neuroses has avoided the issue. Whatever issues you have with Gilmore or the positions that are being prioritized those issues fade when you have a good qb because that more than anything else allows you to compete. One weakness that has plagued Whaley to the point that it ended up in he sabotaging himself is his inability to judge talent for the position. Investing in EJ was as likely to be successful as investing in Rex to be a successful coach. It was a ludicrous position to stake your job on.
K D Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 but we are the #1 rushing team in the NFL and everyone knows that the team that can run the football wins the Super Bowl!
26CornerBlitz Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 Interesting graphic. @ESPNNFL Devonta Freeman is 2nd in the NFL in rushing over the last 2 seasons, but is making just over $1M in cash over that span on his rookie deal.
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