BillsFan4 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 per Bills app: Wood, Groy, Incognito, and Schmidt partied with Barnidge for the Derby, recruited him to come join the Bills; Wood and Barnidge and Wood played for three years and roomed together at Louisville; Wood organized the Derby outing Nice! Thanks for sharing this.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Didn't I cover that in my post? I have much more faith in Clay to produce than I do a rookie RT or a WR. They are penciled in at starter by default from lack of competition. The same could be said for Poyer. Poyer worries me more than either Dawkins and Jones. Would be nice to have flexibility of targets in Watkins, Jones, Holmes, Clay, and Barnidge, not to mention the halfbacks.
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Didn't I cover that in my post? I have much more faith in Clay to produce than I do a rookie RT or a WR. They are penciled in at starter by default from lack of competition. The same could be said for Poyer. Clay has been average at best since coming to Buffalo. He looked much quicker when he played for Miami. Hopefully he ramps up his game this year. Dawkins at rt tackle is miles ahead talent wise then Jordan Mills. And Zay Jones will be tremendous. Nothing wrong with counting on rookies to step up. Most teams do that every year.
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 He'll probably be there dressed like twins with Tom Brady and Julien Edelman.lol, nope. He was there with former college roommate Eric Wood, Richie Incognito and several other members of the Bills.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Poyer worries me more than either Dawkins and Jones. Would be nice to have flexibility of targets in Watkins, Jones, Holmes, Clay, and Barnidge, not to mention the halfbacks.I agree, specifically in regards to Jones. Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean that he will struggle. He caught 399 balls in college. Look at the damage that Michael Thomas did as a 2nd round rookie. Edited May 9, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 RT? WR2, WR3? I think those three positions are much weaker than a TE position that is headlined by Clay. Sure they drafted guys at RT and WR but Clay (if healthy) is leaps and bounds above rookies who are going to be expected to produce. You still think WR 2 is an issue after drafting Zay Jones? I strongly disagree. I actually think WR is a strength after Free agency and the draft.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 You still think WR 2 is an issue after drafting Zay Jones? I strongly disagree. I actually think WR is a strength after Free agency and the draft.I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength.
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. Agreed. Looking forward to seeing what Holmes and Listenbee bring.
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. I agree with this. Zay Jones still has to prove that he can come in and be the bonafied number 2......but I feel like there is not this huge drop off in talent in the receiving core when you get past Sammy and Jay.....you have like 3 guys that have veteran NFL experience that dont suck.....its not a "lets get someone off the couch" scenario like we had last year.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. Having players line up that went through the offseason and installation of the offense will be beneficial on it's own.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I agree, specifically in regards to Jones. Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean that he will struggle. He caught 399 balls in college. Look at the damage that Michae Thomas did as a 2nd round rookie. Don't disagree but he plays with Drew Brees. Brees blew up a 7th round rookie and a former basketball player. Qb makes a huge difference in receiver's production and it's why I didn't want one in the 1st. I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. I hope so but I would expect similar production out of our #2 wr like Woods had.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Don't disagree but he plays with Drew Brees. Brees blew up a 7th round rookie and a former basketball player. Qb makes a huge difference in receiver's production and it's why I didn't want one in the 1st. I hope so but I would expect similar production out of our #2 wr like Woods had. I think part of my reasoning for thinking that they have improved (besides Sammy's health) is that I was never a Woods guy. He played hard and was tough but he was limited as a receiver. He was a decent possession guy that really didn't do anything that differentiated him from other receivers (besides block). Jones is more of a playmaker and has superior ball skills. Jones is faster, quicker, stronger and a more explosive athlete. I'm thinking about 800 yards and 6 TDs for Jones & 1,200 yards and 10 TDs for Sammy.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I think part of my reasoning for thinking that they have improved (besides Sammy's health) is that I was never a Woods guy. He played hard and was tough but he was limited as a receiver. He was a decent possession guy that really didn't do anything that differentiated him from other receivers (besides block). Jones is more of a playmaker and has superior ball skills. Jones is faster, quicker, stronger and a more explosive athlete. I'm thinking about 800 yards and 6 TDs for Jones & 1,200 yards and 10 TDs for Sammy. I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team. Athletically they don't compare; I just went back through all of the numbers. I wasn't a Woods guy when he was here so this isn't hindsight (I took some heat for it). He averaged 3.5 catches and 43 yards a game in his career. I know that we were a run based offense but there were 72 NFL receivers last year that averaged more than 43 yards a game. I see Jones as closer to 50 yards a game (right around DeVante Parker). He will make the same possession type plays but will be better after the catch.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team. Woods was a strong intermediate route runner but was not quick enough to be a matchup advantage/playmaker on short throws........had poor balance so subesquently almost no RAC........ and was not big/fast/physical/rangy enough to make plays deep........and of course.....he was always nicked up. Woods was not what they expected him to become, he was a decent player but Jones has a much higher ceiling.
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Woods was a strong intermediate route runner but was not quick enough to be a matchup advantage/playmaker on short throws........had poor balance so subesquently almost no RAC........ and was not big/fast/physical/rangy enough to make plays deep........and of course.....he was always nicked up. Woods was not what they expected him to become, he was a decent player but Jones has a much higher ceiling. To me this is the real biggie In Zay Jones I see a 1st down machine.....maybe not even a high point scorer....but when its 3rd and 8 and you need a first down to keep a drive going......you throw it at Zay and let him go get it Edited May 9, 2017 by John from Hemet
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Athletically they don't compare; I just went back through all of the numbers. I wasn't a Woods guy when he was here so this isn't hindsight (I took some heat for it). He averaged 3.5 catches and 43 yards a game in his career. I know that we were a run based offense but there were 72 NFL receivers last year that averaged more than 43 yards a game. I see Jones as closer to 50 yards a game (right around DeVante Parker). He will make the same possession type plays but will be better after the catch. Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years.Certainly but he doesn't need to be that much more accurate for Jones to average another 7 yards a game. Sammy averages a lot more than that now. The reciever's ability will be enough to offset that.
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years. Oh come on Do we really need to compare Tom Brady to Tyrod Taylor to prove the point? Dont you think that is a little unfair?
boyst Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I would have much rather been Brady's boy toy. fixed that to reflect accuracy. not that there is anythign wrong with that.
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