H2o Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Yes he is staying...... Or he could be going...... Depends on whatever the situation calls for.
Fingon Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) The clue was when Beane said he had known Overdorf for a long time. He's also fairly highly thought of around the league. Edited June 17, 2017 by Fingon
The Wiz Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 The clue was when Beane said he had known Overdorf for a long time. He's also fairly highly thought of around the league.sooooo Whaley needs to go then right?
ricojes Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Maybe, just maybe, he's not as bad as all the experts here claim he is. Or he could be fired tomorrow. really don't know....
Best Player Available Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 ....sounds like a misunderstanding of Jim's role Associated Press Published: Jan. 31, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Jim Overdorf was promoted to Buffalo Bills senior vice president of football administration, giving him control over contract negotiations and salary cap decisions. The move announced Thursday was part of a minor front office restructuring that follows Russ Brandon's promotion to chief operating officer. Brandon's promotion came after the Bills elected not to fill the general manager's role after Marv Levy stepped down at the end of the season. I believe this too be the correct definition of overdorf's job. A Gm may say sign him. It is his job to get it right. He has not. Fire him. The clue was when Beane said he had known Overdorf for a long time. He's also fairly highly thought of around the league. They said the same crap about Whaley. No?
SoTier Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 I have read here, and other places, he should be canned for his bad contracts...wrong. HE didnt make contract decisions The GM's did. His job is to have the GM come to him and they say "make this work in the cap" that is it. HE didn't give Dareus an insanely stupid contract, Whaley did. Jim Overdorf is considered to be one of the best in the NFL with the cap. The Next GM needs to keep that in mind and make better decisions on who gets what and for how much, before asking Jim to make it work within the cap. Not sure why part if that is bold, but meh... Who, exactly, other than some Bills fans and the organization, considers Overdorf "one of the best in the NFL with the cap"? It's easy to manage the cap when a team does not have an elite/franchise QB, an All Pro LT or an all-world defensive end or a future HOF WR. It's even easier to manage the cap when the team regularly uses its first round picks on DBs to replace the top DBs it's developed and sent packing rather than pay. The sad state of the Bills franchise over the last twenty years rests squarely on the shoulders of the owner(s) and their suits from the second floor of OBD, and it's not going to improve much until there's a change in attitude and personnel there. Unfortunately, new ownership still hasn't brought all about all of the necessary FO changes needed to set the team on the winning path. Overdorf, among others, needs to go.
JM2009 Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Who, exactly, other than some Bills fans and the organization, considers Overdorf "one of the best in the NFL with the cap"? It's easy to manage the cap when a team does not have an elite/franchise QB, an All Pro LT or an all-world defensive end or a future HOF WR. It's even easier to manage the cap when the team regularly uses its first round picks on DBs to replace the top DBs it's developed and sent packing rather than pay. The sad state of the Bills franchise over the last twenty years rests squarely on the shoulders of the owner(s) and their suits from the second floor of OBD, and it's not going to improve much until there's a change in attitude and personnel there. Unfortunately, new ownership still hasn't brought all about all of the necessary FO changes needed to set the team on the winning path. Overdorf, among others, needs to go. Good post.
transient Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 In truth.......the worst thing that happened to this franchise in it's existence might be that Linda Bogdon didn't want the team or wasn't either good enough or passionate enough about scouting. If this is meant with respect to a succession plan, she died in 2008 or 2009 after a battle with cancer.
SoTier Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Good post. Thanks. It's common sense. A franchise QB -- even if he's only as good as an Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannehill -- commands big bucks. The Bills haven't had to pay that freight for the last 20 years, yet they've still regularly failed to retain the talent they've developed. That's not "managing the cap" with anything approaching competency. Teams that are good at managing the cap figure out how to pay Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger or Tom Brady while providing their QBs with protection, targets and a respectable defense. The Bills haven't figured out how to do that even though they haven't had a decent NFL QB since Bledsoe was cut in 2005 ... and it's reflected in their record. Edited June 17, 2017 by SoTier
hemma Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Sooo....He is staying? He has to. The Excel license is in his name. Edited June 17, 2017 by hemma
baskingridgebillsfan Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 If Whaley had to go Jim should go. Clean out the barn at once.
machine gun kelly Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 I know people want to just blame Whaley, but it's Overdorf's job to advise on off setting language, and a firm number on a player and when to walk away. None of us will ever know whether he is decent or not, but Beane hasn't fired him yet, so he's probably staying.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) My general take on Overdorf is that he's done a decent job. The Bills haven't had to make a decision because of cap space since London Fletcher and company. They haven't been restricted by the cap in any way. What else do you want from the guy in charge of the cap? That's the only criteria that matters. ...and before someone tries to claim Gilmore, please understand that electing to not pay a guy $40M guaranteed is different than not being able to do that. My only issue with Overdorf is there was the language in Dareus' contract protecting them for his off the field mistakes. Maybe hey couldn't get it but that's the one thing that I take issue with. Edited June 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
cba fan Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 I know people want to just blame Whaley, but it's Overdorf's job to advise on off setting language, and a firm number on a player and when to walk away. None of us will ever know whether he is decent or not, but Beane hasn't fired him yet, so he's probably staying. I would not be so sure about that. NFL is cutthroat and they will squeeze all the work and info thay can out of you before kicking you to the curb. Just ask Whaley and his staff who where told they did a phenomenal job and then oh by the way "you are all fired"
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