Heitz Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I think the whole McD power thing is being way overblown. I'm sure he know Whaley was on his way out and if that's because he wanted it that way then I'm glad. Why would he give Whaley any final say in anything knowing he was going to be fired? I'm assuming that McD and the new GM will work together and it's not going to be some dictatorship. I was just thinking the same thing... Everyone wants to assume that McD wants all the power because he wanted it with an GM that he (or someone) considered sub-par. If they bring a guy in that he really trusts and can really work with, perhaps we see the power balance out a bit. Obviously remains to be seen, but the GM candidate names coming out don't necessarily seem like "yes men" to me.
BillsFan17 Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 We have seen first time head coaches like Gase and Quinn get full control over their roster. I can't get enough of the fans acting like mcdermott is the only one who wants control of the roster that makes up the team. Furthermore, the same people who have been complaining about the status quo around here are the ones now nervous about how mcdermott came in and DRAINED THE SWAMP
jeffismagic Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 We have seen first time head coaches like Gase and Quinn get full control over their roster. I can't get enough of the fans acting like mcdermott is the only one who wants control of the roster that makes up the team. Furthermore, the same people who have been complaining about the status quo around here are the ones now nervous about how mcdermott came in and DRAINED THE SWAMP People keep saying that but do they really? It seems like even teams like the Chiefs where Andy Reid has more power the GM was hired there by the owners and not Andy. I think every team is different but the Bills will not have anyone but a yes man coming.
cale Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Eventhough this article is a little older, I like the analysis and insight. Nice comprehensive list of candidates: http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front-office/2016/12/09/2017-nfl-general-manager-candidates/
dbflaBill Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 We have seen first time head coaches like Gase and Quinn get full control over their roster. I can't get enough of the fans acting like mcdermott is the only one who wants control of the roster that makes up the team. Furthermore, the same people who have been complaining about the status quo around here are the ones now nervous about how mcdermott came in and DRAINED THE SWAMP Its total control of the 53 man roster. Meaning Gase and quinn have final say over who makes the roster. The GM has say as to who he brings in, and constructs the the 90man.
jeffismagic Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Its total control of the 53 man roster. Meaning Gase and quinn have final say over who makes the roster. The GM has say as to who he brings in, and constructs the the 90man. I doubt Gase is acting as dictator down there. Thanks for the response. Sean wants the power of a Belichick.
dbflaBill Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I doubt Gase is acting as dictator down there. Thanks for the response. Sean wants the power of a Belichick. yea and the problem is Belichick is the exception to the rule.
jeffismagic Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 yea and the problem is Belichick is the exception to the rule. Coaches draft to fill immediate needs. GM's draft to create the best team using short, medium, and longer term horizons with the belief that the draft is to bring in elite talent and a patient belief in fixing weaknesses over time. I want a GM drafting players, no more coach drafts.
KellyToughII Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) https://torotimes.com/2017/05/03/houston-texans-brian-gaine-interviewing-for-buffalo-bills-general-manager-job/ Edited May 3, 2017 by KellyToughII
dbflaBill Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Coaches draft to fill immediate needs. GM's draft to create the best team using short, medium, and longer term horizons with the belief that the draft is to bring in elite talent and a patient belief in fixing weaknesses over time. I want a GM drafting players, no more coach drafts. Agreed, GM has a vision for Today and the future. Coach only cares about Today, and the guys that fit his skeme. GM wants football players, coach wants guys that fit. GM spend their life learning to scout and evaluate. Just like a coach spends his life drawing up plays, and coming up with the best skeme. The 2 should not be mixed/
Bray Wyatt Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Report: Brian Gaine interviewing for Bills G.M. job Thursday http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/03/report-brian-gaine-interviewing-for-bills-g-m-job-thursday/ "Gaine joined the Texans in 2014 after leaving the Dolphins when they hired Dennis Hickey as their General Manager. He’s interviewed for other G.M. openings in the last few years as well. He’s also worked for the Cowboys and the Jets." Did not see this posted yet (could have been in more recent pages in this thread though) thought this thread would be good to put it in, if was posted previously all apologies
wiskibreth Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I don't understand why everyone is so caught up in "who has the power"? This article about the dynamic in Seattle, and I don't see any reason why it cant be successful in Bufflao as long as McDermott and (whoever) can strike the same kind of successful relationship. Schneider was hired after Carroll, and I'm certain Carroll was given the opportunity to voice his opinion on who the GM would be. It's a good read. http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/18960/why-the-pete-carroll-john-schneider-relationship-has-served-the-seahawks-well
Kelly the Dog Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I don't understand why everyone is so caught up in "who has the power"? This article about the dynamic in Seattle, and I don't see any reason why it cant be successful in Bufflao as long as McDermott and (whoever) can strike the same kind of successful relationship. Schneider was hired after Carroll, and I'm certain Carroll was given the opportunity to voice his opinion on who the GM would be. It's a good read. http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/18960/why-the-pete-carroll-john-schneider-relationship-has-served-the-seahawks-well Well, Carroll is one of the best coaches and smartest guys in the league, and had TEN TONS of experience before getting the Seahawks job. So if McDermott is one of the best coaches in the league and knows personnel, too, with zero experience, then we'll be great!
Bray Wyatt Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) Well, Carroll is one of the best coaches and smartest guys in the league, and had TEN TONS of experience before getting the Seahawks job. So if McDermott is one of the best coaches in the league and knows personnel, too, with zero experience, then we'll be great! I think the bolded is hindsight, he was fired from NE and the Jets (IIRC on the Jets), a lot of people believed his success came at USC due to his recruiting which isn't an advantage in the pros, and he was 7-9 before they drafted Russell Wilson. Yes he did have experience though which I do not think should be undervalued and is a big advantage over McD Edited May 3, 2017 by Bray Wyatt
wiskibreth Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Well, Carroll is one of the best coaches and smartest guys in the league, and had TEN TONS of experience before getting the Seahawks job. So if McDermott is one of the best coaches in the league and knows personnel, too, with zero experience, then we'll be great! Well, he said in the article that as a coach he initially didn't get involved much in player personnel or the draft until after he coached at USC where he had to become more intimate with player selection. He then brought that aspect back tot he pros. Yeah, he was an experienced coach, but he wasn't an experienced personnel guy. I think its more about the symbiotic and respectful relationship of the GM and coach working together making decisions in unison based on a common philosophy is what's important. Not who has the power or final say.
CanadianFan Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) I don't understand why everyone is so caught up in "who has the power"? This article about the dynamic in Seattle, and I don't see any reason why it cant be successful in Bufflao as long as McDermott and (whoever) can strike the same kind of successful relationship. Schneider was hired after Carroll, and I'm certain Carroll was given the opportunity to voice his opinion on who the GM would be. It's a good read. http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/18960/why-the-pete-carroll-john-schneider-relationship-has-served-the-seahawks-well Yes but its exception to the rule. When one guy reports to the other (i.e. coach to GM or GM to coach) then we know they will be going in ONE direction, provided the hiring one did a good job. But splitting power like this does 2 things - 1) intentionally create room for power struggle and conflict and 2) makes Pegulas the hands-on manager that he has obviously said multiple times he isn't interested in. This is why he was looking for a football "czar" to oversea the team operations earlier on in the first year or so. This way, he has one guy to talk to, not 2 when it comes to on-field performance, and be more of an over-seer versus being actively involved in managerial decision-making which, as a non-football guy, isn't qualified to. See Snyder as reference. Edited May 3, 2017 by CanadianFan
BrooklynBills Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Coaches draft to fill immediate needs. GM's draft to create the best team using short, medium, and longer term horizons with the belief that the draft is to bring in elite talent and a patient belief in fixing weaknesses over time. I want a GM drafting players, no more coach drafts. Using your paradigm of McDermott as a power hungry, win-now coach with no vision for the future, explain trading back for a future 1st round pick.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Well, he said in the article that as a coach he initially didn't get involved much in player personnel or the draft until after he coached at USC where he had to become more intimate with player selection. He then brought that aspect back tot he pros. Yeah, he was an experienced coach, but he wasn't an experienced personnel guy. I think its more about the symbiotic and respectful relationship of the GM and coach working together making decisions in unison based on a common philosophy is what's important. Not who has the power or final say. The point is he had been in the NFL awhile, then got two different head coaching jobs in the NFL, then had a 10 year dominant college HC career with dozens of guys that went to the NFL, then was a NFL HC again. McD has never been a high school HC. It's a pet peeve of mine, but this is (almost) the equivalent of Tom Brady was a sixth round choice! Why can't Peterman do it?! Well, he can, but there have been dozens and dozens of fifth and sixth and seventh round picks that have sucked, and one that did it who is one of the best all-time. Yes but its exception to the rule. When one guy reports to the other (i.e. coach to GM or GM to coach) then we know they will be going in ONE direction, provided the hiring one did a good job. But splitting power like this does 2 things - 1) intentionally create room for power struggle and conflict and 2) makes Pegulas the hands-on manager that he has obviously said multiple times he isn't interested in. This is why he was looking for a football "czar" to oversea the team operations earlier on in the first year or so. This way, he has one guy to talk to, not 2 when it comes to on-field performance, and be more of an over-seer versus being actively involved in managerial decision-making which, as a non-football guy, isn't qualified to. See Snyder as reference. Yep, and far more importantly, every minute he spends on the personnel side is one minute less he spends on the thing that got him this job, coaching. Not to mention that an NFL HC job has no apprenticeship. There is nothing you can do that can prepare you for it. It's like President of the country. There are all kinds of requirements of your time and energy that you never had to do before. It's just a lot of stuff. Yes, it's possible he can do it. I like him. I'm not sure he knows what he is getting into.
The Jokeman Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Is the whole scouting team fired? It was never really mentioned in the statement and the scouts before the draft was expected to be fired. If they are i could see this. General Manager- Brandon Beane Director of Player Personnel- Brett Veach http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Pegulas-to-lead-search-for-new-general-manager/c0f17892-19c5-471d-9332-fd31347c63fb At a Sunday press conference Pegula confirmed that in addition to Whaley the pro and college scouting departments were also relieved of their duties. That included Director of Player Personnel Jim Monos, Director of Pro Personnel Rob Hanrahan and Player Personnel Advisor Kelvin Fisher, who oversaw much of the college scouting operation.
dbflaBill Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Using your paradigm of McDermott as a power hungry, win-now coach with no vision for the future, explain trading back for a future 1st round pick. He was comfortable moving down and setting himself up to make a big splash next year. Hes not getting fired after this year so why not stock up for the draft next year.... Its pretty simple this structure in an organization does not overwhemingly work
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