FireChan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Now it's time to see if the people who believed Whaley was good at his job and would get picked up by another team to be GM actually comes true. He's the best GM on the market, but he would also never be fired soo
Buffalo86 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I look forward to Buffalo 86's diatribe next year about how McDermott should be fired for trading up for Jones and Dawkins when he could have had (insert name here) Oh and wait for the screed after Peterman misses a pass. I was vocally against every one of the moves I listed at the time they happened. Don't know enough about Jones & White, but I like those picks. Love the Dawkins pick; I had posted several times about wanting him leading up to the draft. Can't believe Peterman was still available at that point in the draft. Overall, I think we had one of the better drafts in the league. Did I miss anything?
bbb Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Chris GraggVerified account @Gragg80 @buffalobills can your #2 TE from last year come back now? Just wondering. Retweets 151 Likes 515 11:01 AM - 30 Apr 2017 34 replies 151 retweets 515 likes
BringBackFergy Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Yeah, cuz speaking skills are a crucial prerequisite in football..... Leadership and being able to articulate a vision are...I think that's his point.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Bingo card Whaley should've been fired when: He traded a king's ransom for Watkins, then said there wasn't much of a gap between Sammy & the other top WRs in the class. It was clear that the importance of draft picks was completely lost on him He traded our 2014 5th round pick to the Bucs for a 7th and the next year's 5th. Horrible value, and the pick would've been better spent on McCarron, Murray, etc. He went into the 2014 pre-season with Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel as our backups, having already seen what they were capable of the year before He traded for Bucs' WR Mike Williams, a guy with character issues & with whom Marrone had a bad history. This may have been the first of many moves aimed at undermining his HC He traded #2 QB Matt Cassel, possibly against his coaches' wishes, for some future late round picks, forcing EJ Manuel back up the depth chart He pushed for EJ Manuel to start in 2016 before the Bills were eliminated He said that if EJ didn't work out, Whaley himself would be looking for a job He gushed about what a perfect hire Rex was, while supposedly not meaning a word he said He traded multiple picks for a LB who fit Rex's scheme perfectly. You know, Rex: the guy Whaley supposedly didn't want He declared our first 3 picks of the 2016 draft to be off the bus starters. None of them were. He either lied about or was the only person who didn't know that Shaq Lawson would need surgery He forced his supporters to ignore the rest of the modern day NFL and hang on to the irrelevant claim that he was better than our last few GMs He re-signed Dareus to a huge deal without any clauses for personal conduct violations. This is low on the list, as I'm not exactly sure how common this is in the NFL. But if it is common practice to include such clauses, oh boy... Most of the items listed above can be traced back to this: Whaley fell too hard for EJ, and he spent far too much trying to prove he was right. Good riddance. Excellent post !
Sweats Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Whaley and the Ryan brother are probably all sitting around in a bar saying, "yep, i remember when i used to work for the Bills..........." I'd like to say that this firing affects me, but it truly does not. It's the same as any other job..........if you don't produce or succeed, then you're going home. No love lost here.
Bill_with_it Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I remember that thread. Didn't it use making the team as the benchmark for success? Or was it starting for the Bills? By either measure, Chris Kelsay was a resounding 10 year success! Since we're taking this personal, let me know the first time you come up with any analysis of any sort, or for that matter, any original thought whatsoever. All you do is spout off of what others have written & recycle corny one-liners that you surely heard someone else say. I was thinking the same thing. Wasn't it said that Whaley would be hired as another team's GM "in a second"? We're already running late. What he isnt on the Patriots or Falcons running the show as promised?
Dr. K Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Well, this makes the organization look even more like a complete cluster f*ck. I feel bad for Whaley. He has had 3 coaches to deal with in 4 years. Three scheme changes on both sides of the ball. He has still managed to assemble more talent on this team than we have seen in a decade. The coaching staffs failed him, mainly Rex failed him. Now he is getting the axe right after a highly rated draft by all who rate such things? Amazing. Only in Buffalo. You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried. This is my view. Some of the things he tried did not work out. He was saddled with coaches, notably Rex, that he did not want, but he kept his mouth shut for the most part and did his job. He made some smart trades, such as the one that brought Hughes here, and consistently picked up undrafted gems for the roster. I hope McDermott will work out, but this move in and of itself does not inspire confidence in the Pegulas and the organization. And the Pegulas have already done a number of things, such as fall in love with Rex, that seriously call their judgment into question. Firing the scouts also strikes me as iffy. We'll see.
Bill_with_it Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 not a lot of openings right nowWe were fed that Whaley was better than alot of the GMs in the league, those owners should fire the bad GMs and hire Whaley if hes as good as we were fed constantly.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 This is my view. Some of the things he tried did not work out. He was saddled with coaches, notably Rex, that he did not want, but he kept his mouth shut for the most part and did his job. He made some smart trades, such as the one that brought Hughes here, and consistently picked up undrafted gems for the roster. I hope McDermott will work out, but this move in and of itself does not inspire confidence in the Pegulas and the organization. And the Pegulas have already done a number of things, such as fall in love with Rex, that seriously call their judgment into question. Firing the scouts also strikes me as iffy. We'll see. ....the direction of his defense personnel wise over two years, equating to a top five unit was undone overnight by the bloviating Wrecks....nah, I wouldn't be pissed.....
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 For those of you complaining about a possible inverted structure between the coach in the GM, you haven't been listening to Terry. Terry likes flat organizations built upon consensus. Whomever gets hired as GM will have to get along very well with Sean and they both will be tasked to work together, not in separate silos. From what I understand Doug and Sean worked together, but perhaps Sean felt more comfortable with his own guy moving forward. I am far from complaining about an inverted structure..... I would welcome that. It is a risk giving that much power to a rookie HC I agree but the alternative is the flat structure that has led to so many of the problems. If we are going to the Carroll / Schneider model or the Reid / Dorsey model I am fine with that... at least we would have a clear definition of whose say counts where. I wasn't anti the flat structure 3 years ago and I think it can work if the two guys are tied at the hip. Where one came first and then the other followed I think you are just storing up all kinds of power struggle shaped trouble in future months and years. He's the best GM on the market, but he would also never be fired soo I don't know who ever said that on this board. If he wants to continue working in the NFL he will... but it will be as a Director of Pro Personnel because that is where he really excels. His record as a drafter was mixed at best.
D521646 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I'm so f'ing disgusted with them right now I can barely type Me either, I am really shocked by this. Whaley was NOT the problem here, if anything can be blamed on him, it might be that he allowed himself to be outplayed by pretty much everyone. Whaley is a talented evaluator, he'll land on his feet just fine. Well I hope the Pegulas are happy. If Brandon is advising them on this crap, they and we as fans are in for another decade of shitery... As for McD, well, it's all on him now, if he asked for this, well he got it! Tim-
Another Fan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 My lasting memory of him was at the press conference after Rex got fired saying he had no idea that was going down. At the time I thought he was either just blowing smoke up people's butt or was just totally naïve and or kept out of the loop Either way it didn't make management look too good. I do think Whaley had the best interests for the team at heart though. Wish him well
Cripple Creek Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 We were fed that Whaley was better than alot of the GMs in the league, those owners should fire the bad GMs and hire Whaley if hes as good as we were fed constantly. Do you think before you let your fingers do the walking or do you just fire these gems off? What a load of crap. Whaley had warts and worked in a dysfunctional environment. He's good at obtaining talent, hope things work out for him down the road.
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Whaley reminds me of Chris Polian. Much better behind the scenes with player evaluation than running the show and actually speaking to media. He was so bad that Bill was the "president" and only consulting on the FO side but he spoke for Chris on radio show, etc. He will likely end up in a similar role as Chris and that's the right fit imo. Edited April 30, 2017 by YoloinOhio
cba fan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) We were fed that Whaley was better than alot of the GMs in the league, those owners should fire the bad GMs and hire Whaley if hes as good as we were fed constantly. It never works that way and you know it. Clever response though. I see your point. I would hire Whaley tomorrow if I owned a team. I would put him in charge of scouting and very likely move him up when GM leaves or gets fired for CAUSE. I liked him but it was just a personal opinion. He was never given the power to do his job as a GM. Classic Bills. Edited April 30, 2017 by cba fan
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