sullim4 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I don't understand why this didn't happen at the end of the season. Doing this now just gives me this feeling that the Pegulas don't know what they are doing. It is kind of bush league to fire your GM immediately after the draft unless it's for insubordination or something similar. If you trusted him enough to help select your head coach and put together a draft board, two of the most important parts of the job, what could have possibly changed between the end of the season and now?
Simon Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Because that's not even close to the point I was trying to make........ Then there is something seriously wrong with your keyboard because that is exactly what it said
JohnC Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I don't believe this at all. The biggest failure has been to identify and acquire a QB who can perform at the level necessary to propel the team beyond mediocrity. The qb issue absolutely has been at the heart of the problem. Who on this board more than I has made that point? What imbecilic organization would allow a full generation to go by with only a few and pathetic attempts to address an issue that mostly determines success. If an organization can't address an issue that plagues it for nearly a quarter century you don't think that it signifies organizational dysfunction? There is more to why this franchise has been so bad for so long that people don't even waste their time mocking it. In a high profile sport and league this franchise is mostly irrelevant and invisible. It's more than not being able to come up with an adequate player for an essential position. It's about the incompetence of the people who have been managing the organization. It has been going on for so long that to many the abnormal has become the normal. And it has been going on for so long that the substandard had become the standard. With Pegula's decisive act that low standard normality is no longer going to be tolerated.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 For those of you complaining about a possible inverted structure between the coach in the GM, you haven't been listening to Terry. Terry likes flat organizations built upon consensus. Whomever gets hired as GM will have to get along very well with Sean and they both will be tasked to work together, not in separate silos. From what I understand Doug and Sean worked together, but perhaps Sean felt more comfortable with his own guy moving forward. SHouldnt that have been the MO when hiring the new HC? That he would have to get along very well and work together with the GM? What happens when the new GM, who the Pegulas will love, doesn't sync 100% with McD? Do they fire McD for someone the new GM wants? How long does this cycle continue? Why wasnt it addressed when Whaley was the incumbent?
PromoTheRobot Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Good luck Doug. You were better, though you might not have been quite good enough. The moment you will ultimately always regret is being a good company man when the Pegulas said "let's hire Rex Ryan". You should have stood your ground. You had built a roster at that point ready to contend for the post-season. You let a loudmouth clown waste it. The Pegula bill for paying people not to work increases even further. Couldn't agree more. Whaley was a leaf in the wind, expected to do the bidding of coaches he didn't hire, but got blamed for their stupity anyway.
Simon Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 The qb issue absolutely has been at the heart of the problem. Who on this board more than I has made that point? What imbecilic organization would allow a full generation to go by with only a few and pathetic attempts to address an issue that mostly determines success. If an organization can't address an issue that plagues it for nearly a quarter century you don't think that it signifies organizational dysfunction? There is more to why this franchise has been so bad for so long that people don't even waste their time mocking it. In a high profile sport and league this franchise is mostly irrelevant and invisible. It's more than not being able to come up with an adequate player for an essential position. It's about the incompetence of the people who have been managing the organization. It has been going on for so long that to many the abnormal has become the normal. And it has been going on for so long that the substandard had become the standard. With Pegula's decisive act that low standard normality is no longer going to be tolerated. Pegula's jackassery over the last few years is precisely why this team has been substandard
Bangarang Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Then there is something seriously wrong with your keyboard because that is exactly what it said Actually, I said his speaking skills were bad and not that they were a prerequisite for football. Sounds as though your reading comprehension is as bad as Whaley's public speaking.
BillsMedia Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 McDermott finally ends the Tyrod talk now that Whaley is gone. Tyrod could be here for many many years to come now, LOVE IT! Whaley wanted Tyrod out and McDermott absolute wanted him as the QB of his team. This season is starting to get some pull, love what the new coaching staff is doing!
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 And like anything none of this really matters if they dont get the QB decision right. And McDermott is now tied to Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman.
papazoid Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I don't understand why this didn't happen at the end of the season. Doing this now just gives me this feeling that the Pegulas don't know what they are doing. It is kind of bush league to fire your GM immediately after the draft unless it's for insubordination or something similar. If you trusted him enough to help select your head coach and put together a draft board, two of the most important parts of the job, what could have possibly changed between the end of the season and now? because this is the start and year end dates for Draft people
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 And like anything none of this really matters if they dont get the QB decision right. And McDermott is now tied to Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman. Right now, but his QB will be the 1st rounder next year.
jeffismagic Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 McDermott finally ends the Tyrod talk now that Whaley is gone. Tyrod could be here for many many years to come now, LOVE IT! Whaley wanted Tyrod out and McDermott absolute wanted him as the QB of his team. This season is starting to get some pull, love what the new coaching staff is doing! For once, we agree.
Bill_with_it Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Thing that pisses me off the most is Whaley lost his job because if the Rex shenanigans. RussBrandon is the one who wanted to hire Rex and Whaley is getting screwed because Rex can't coach up a team. I thought Whaley was a good GM and I've mostly liked his moves. But his ultimate downfall was not getting a QB in the draft (which I don't blame on him...we never had a good opportunity to grab one). There is so much more you need to draft a QB than just a need for one (coaching, good supporting/ complimenting teammates). I think Doug knew this and he also knew by forcing a QB could hurt the team longer down the line. I think Doug was one of the best evaluators in the NFL at finding other NFL talent to sign for one or two year deals. I hope we get a better GM than him. It would really suck if we hire some bum and we regress back to 4-12/ 5-11 seasons Whaley lost his job because he was a bad NFL GM. Dont blame anyone else except whaley.
Bangarang Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) And like anything none of this really matters if they dont get the QB decision right. And McDermott is now tied to Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman. You're probably overstating that a little. Maybe if we don't take a QB high next year and keep going with Tyrod then you can say that but right now it looks like Tyrod is a stop gap and Peterman is a shot in the dark. Edited April 30, 2017 by Bangarang
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) I don't understand why this didn't happen at the end of the season. Doing this now just gives me this feeling that the Pegulas don't know what they are doing. It is kind of bush league to fire your GM immediately after the draft unless it's for insubordination or something similar. If you trusted him enough to help select your head coach and put together a draft board, two of the most important parts of the job, what could have possibly changed between the end of the season and now? There is never a good time to fire the entire scouting staff. Beginning of the season you just hired a new coach (rookie) and dont really know how things will work out with him. If you are now more confident in your coach and realize the GM is holding you back, you have to let him go. And you cant really fire a GM and the entire scouting staff before the draft (then your draft strategy is in public domain). Now going forward far fewer holes to fill - WILL, backup RB, backup TE, backup kicker are really the only roles I can think of. So now is as good a time as any, no? Edited April 30, 2017 by IgotBILLStopay
Simon Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Actually, I said his speaking skills were bad and not that they were a prerequisite for football. Sounds as though your reading comprehension is as bad as Whaley's public speaking. You said "the biggest thing" was his issues with interviews My apologies for not ignoring you sooner; I will rectify that immediately
sullim4 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Side note: I was wine tasting in Sonoma yesterday at a place called Imagery. One of the guys behind the counter sees my Bills hat and asks if I know who Doug Whaley is. I say "yes, he's our incompetent general manager". Turns out the guy knows him and is good friends with him. Showed me some texts about the draft with him and that he was feeling good about it. Of course I felt bad at the time that I called him incompetent. Now? Not really sure.
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Right now, but his QB will be the 1st rounder next year. Maybe. Maybe not. We will see in 1st round next year i guess
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 It has been clear for some time that Whaley felt this way despite being completely wrong. His qb vision killed him. Drafting a stiff like Cardale (this is a prediction, yes) doesn't reflect well on his qb eye either. ....and pretty asinine......thought maybe had more Colbert in his ways than DonoHOLE......Tom Terrific wanted complete control over ALL personnel and force fed HIS choices to cheap, subordinating HC's.....thanks Tom, set the club back a decade....look at Grigson or Balke of late, and both are unemployed......Whaley "force feeding" may be why Marrone left......Doug tried to emulate General Patton in his quest for culture change which rubbed Whaley and Brandon the wrong way...read an interesting post elsewhere that said perhaps Pegula's meeting with Coughlin and discussions with Marrone post exodus (BOTH SU guys) began to open TP's eyes as to organizational flaws...........
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