Buffalo86 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Right on to those of you preaching accountablility, which has been absent for at least the last 10 years or so. I remember when Jauron would take full responsibility for his losses without any fear of repercussion. It occurred to me that something was seriously wrong there.
row_33 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Right on to those of you preaching accountablility, which has been absent for at least the last 10 years or so. I remember when Jauron would take full responsibility for his losses without any fear of repercussion. It occurred to me that something was seriously wrong there. It's not the same any more. Execs make enough in one season to last years into their future, they don't fear much.
NoSaint Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I bet the other teams in our division were hoping it wasn't true. Even Belichick is probably bummed; I hear he had grown quite fond of his annual RFA poker games with Doug. Now what if McD said go low I'm willing to risk him?
Dr Doom Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 My only concern is that the future of the franchise has been placed on this hands on a coach who has never coached a single game and has no experience as GM. Other than that, it's fine..
Buffalo86 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Now what if McD said go low I'm willing to risk him? Then maybe Bill won't mind.
Sweats Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 All i keep thinking about is drafting EJ wayyyyyyyyyyyy too high and then being so stubborn to stand by his decision. I'm no scout, but even at FSU, the guy was a project. How anyone let Whaley even make that draft choice in the first is unforgivable. And then throwing 2 number one picks to get Sammy, who is barely and i mean barely, able to stay on the field each week, when it was a deep WR draft class..........that was the beginning of the end for me with Whaleys tenure. In the grand scheme of things, i'm sure that Whaley has done more good than harm to the franchise, but as a life long fan, some of his decisions were questionable and just down-right painful from a fans perspective.
DrDawkinstein Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I'll agree with this sentiment. I wouldve made it DW either at the initial purchase or this coaching search and committed to the structure, but if he wants it to be McD hopefully we found a gem that can handle it. Would make me nervous based on many failing and odds of us discovering a guy that does both is lower than just finding a coach but... well... let's commit to a structure and have everyone actually step into real roles. Same here. And if that's McD now, fine. After 17 years what's another 4 months. Problem is, according to Pegula's PC, there isn't going to be such a clear structure.
Buffalo86 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 It's not the same any more. Execs make enough in one season to last years into their future, they don't fear much. I respectfully disagree. There will always be some who are in it just for the money, but the top ones actually want to excel.
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 There are a variety organizational structures that have proved to be successful and there are the same organizational structures that have proved to be failures. Regardless what the structure is what is guaranteed to fail is a system where accountability and responsibility are defused. That dynamic applies to all types of enterprises that have nothing to do with sports. It has been apparent that once McDermott was brought on board Whaley's history with the organization was clearly written. There has never been an occasion that I can remember where the GM was completely silenced and the coach's voice was prominently elevated over the GM's. I have no problem with having a primary voice but when the GM is publicly told to not say anything on behalf of the organization that was more than a public demotion, it was a public castrating. The irony is that it seems that in this draft Whaley did a good job of providing a list of the type of prospects that McDermott would be comfortable with. There is no question that McDermott is driving the bus. However, I get queasy when the role of HC and GM are wrapped into one. In that type of all encompassing setup there is not a counterbalance between the short and long term interests of the franchise. I find that worrisome. The Bills have lacked strategic vision for a long time as evidenced by their lack of success on the field. I have no idea if McD is the visionary or the strategic planner that this organization so desperately needs, but a shake down is way overdue. As things wound down with Ralph, it became impossible to do a real course correction because nobody they could hire was willing to pour the level of energy into something with ownership uncertainty looming. And, I suspect, they were far more interested in making the books look as bright green as possible for Mrs. Wilson to cash out with the biggest windfall possible. To the HC running the show, this isn't unheard of obviously. Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick run their teams and have had great success in doing so. For Belichick, reinventing the team on-the-fly has been accomplished in all phases, with the exception of QB. He is able to adapt and change to trends and the parts supply. It's a dynamic plan, but one of its innovations is that the coach isn't married to particular parts on his roster or to any particular system. Few coaches have been as adaptable. We will see what McD can do, but at this point he doesn't strike me as a coach who's content to just try and work with the holdovers and hangers-on who haven't demonstrated any sustained success for a generation of fans.
FireChan Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Same here. And if that's McD now, fine. After 17 years what's another 4 months. Problem is, according to Pegula's PC, there isn't going to be such a clear structure. He doesn't get it. I said he didn't get it after Rex was fired, because he truly doesn't. Whether he kept Whaley or not is irrelevant as long as he plays King in his court with the HC and GM both making cases. That may work in fracking. In an industry where careers are made in 16 weeks, it does not.
Magox Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 "Blown picks of EJ Manuel and over-paying to trade up for oft-injured Sammy Watkinsand botching the contract with Tyrod Taylor and throwing ridiculous money at mercurial Marcell Dareus kept the front office in a perilous plight, and the longer McDermott had to contemplate this roster and assess the contractual mishaps and salary-cap issues, the clearer it became he wouldn't be working with Whaley for long. "Losing top corner Stephon Gilmore in free agency, to the hated Patriots, no less, did not set well with the new head coach, but he inherited too many other bad contracts to truly compete. The Taylor affair was unnecessarily difficult, given the bizarre structure agreed to a year ago (before the new coach arrived) and the heavy-handed tactics the front office took with Taylor late last season. Then, for the second year in a row, the Bills put too low a free-agent tender on an emerging skill player, and for the second straight year the Pats plucked him away, with Mike Gillislee joining Chris Hogan as part of the New England dynasty. Time was getting short for Whaley."....NFL CBS That along with his disastrous presser and the inability to sell himself as the answer to the Pegula's did him in.
NoSaint Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I wonder what the players think. I know they get it's a business but.... And the first impression for the rookies has got to be stellar. Not even to be mean to buffalo but I imagine at this point there are plenty that have to talk themselves into being excited to be picked here (and get some jokes From friends/family)... these guys were like 3-4 years old last time we made the playoffs... and of course the snow.... but then this right out of the gate?
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 There are likely going to be some guys around the scouting department being moved. That said, I really don't believe Doug is in trouble. Wow, you're good.
jeffismagic Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I wonder what the players think. I know they get it's a business but.... And the first impression for the rookies has got to be stellar. Not even to be mean to buffalo but I imagine at this point there are plenty that have to talk themselves into being excited to be picked here (and get some jokes From friends/family)... these guys were like 3-4 years old last time we made the playoffs... and of course the snow.... but then this right out of the gate? Yeah, our first pick is welcomed by Whaley and then Whaley is fired the next day along with all of the scouts. Not a sign of a healthy organization.
Buffalo86 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I wonder what the players think. I know they get it's a business but.... And the first impression for the rookies has got to be stellar. Not even to be mean to buffalo but I imagine at this point there are plenty that have to talk themselves into being excited to be picked here (and get some jokes From friends/family)... these guys were like 3-4 years old last time we made the playoffs... and of course the snow.... but then this right out of the gate? They probably missed the assurances of being off the bus starters, but otherwise, I doubt they care. If McDermott really was controlling the draft, then the guy who brought them to Buffalo is still in Buffalo.
JM2009 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Wow, you're good. He disappeared from the boards today, it seems.
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Wow, you're good.i said the same. I thought it was about 50/50. Thought they might just change his role.
Santana Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Honestly and unfortunately I don't think Doug Whaley was the problem. The main problem in buffalo is that we have ownership who is pretty much clueless on how to run an organization, let alone 2 of them. Sorry to get off topic but both the Sabres and Bills are teams that have more than adequate talent on their rosters but bad coaching hires by the owner/s have kept the organizations in mediocrity jail.
FireChan Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I wonder what the players think. I know they get it's a business but.... And the first impression for the rookies has got to be stellar. Not even to be mean to buffalo but I imagine at this point there are plenty that have to talk themselves into being excited to be picked here (and get some jokes From friends/family)... these guys were like 3-4 years old last time we made the playoffs... and of course the snow.... but then this right out of the gate? I get what you're saying, but this has to be encouraging for the older vets at the same time, right? Pegulas aren't just gonna keep doing the same old thing.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Might as well say it now, Bills are due in 2022!!!
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